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Hello, all. I recently signed up for this list, as I am thinking of adding
a K3 to my shack. I have downloaded the manual for the K3, and plan to study it as I can. I currently have a TenTec Eagle transceiver and TenTec Centurion Amplifier. I am thinking of adding the K3 to have redundancy and keep the shack (at least the HF part) "all American". Any thoughts from users that have compared the K3 to the Eagle? I have been very impressed with the receiver on the Eagle! Another use for the K3 would be as a portable rig for occasional trips using a Buddipole. I plan on visiting the Electraft booth at Dayton this weekend to take a closer look at the rig. So, perhaps I will meet some folks there! Best 73, Ken Bandy, KJ9B ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Having been out of Ham Radio for 40 years, I studied the current forums and purchased an Eagle, a TS-590S, a KX3, and a K3.
Note that I'm a CW fan and rarely use voice modes. I wanted the Eagle because of my fondness for the Triton II way back when. My thought was that TenTec must have made an even better rig after all these decades. Then I used each transceiver for CW rag chewing as well as DX pileups. The Eagle and the K3 aren't in the same class of transceiver and I was delighted to swap the Eagle for a second KX3. I would have felt guilty about the trade but the other ham wanted to rewire the Eagle for some experimenting. Had it just been for CW use, my conscience would have prevented the swap. What I'm trying to say is that your Eagle will soon become the backup to your new K3. And I won't be swapping away the KX3(s) or TS-590S either. -- Marc W8SDG > On May 12, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B <[hidden email]> wrote: > I am thinking of adding the K3 to have redundancy and > keep the shack (at least the HF part) "all American". Any thoughts from > users that have compared the K3 to the Eagle? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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In reply to this post by Ken Bandy, KJ9B
On May 12, 2015 7:34 AM, "Ken G Kopp" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Ken ... > > There's no comparison between the two radios. The TenTec is a "toy" when > compared to the K3, as you'll find out. > > 73 > > Ken Kopp - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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In reply to this post by Ken Bandy, KJ9B
Ken -
I agree that you'll most likely relegate the Eagle to second status. If you hook the K3 up to the Centurion, be sure to follow the instructions for the K3. It's different. Fred Cady's (KE7X) book on the K3 is well worth having also. I bought it on CD so I can search it, and I took the CD to Office Depot and had it printed. I like to nap with it in the recliner...... 73, Mike NF4L > On May 12, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Hello, all. I recently signed up for this list, as I am thinking of adding > a K3 to my shack. I have downloaded the manual for the K3, and plan to > study it as I can. I currently have a TenTec Eagle transceiver and TenTec > Centurion Amplifier. I am thinking of adding the K3 to have redundancy and > keep the shack (at least the HF part) "all American". Any thoughts from > users that have compared the K3 to the Eagle? I have been very impressed > with the receiver on the Eagle! Another use for the K3 would be as a > portable rig for occasional trips using a Buddipole. > > > > I plan on visiting the Electraft booth at Dayton this weekend to take a > closer look at the rig. So, perhaps I will meet some folks there! > > > > Best 73, > > Ken Bandy, KJ9B > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Tue,5/12/2015 6:18 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote:
> Any thoughts from > users that have compared the K3 to the Eagle? I have been very impressed > with the receiver on the Eagle! Another use for the K3 would be as a > portable rig for occasional trips using a Buddipole. Hi Ken, I don't know anything about the Eagle other than testing by ARRL and by Rob Sherwood, which shows the K3 to be superior. If you're thinking backpacking, take a look at he KX3 when you're cruising the Dayton booth. Add the KXPA100 power amp and you have a nice rig for home or mobile. Not as nice as a K3, but it also tests superior to the Eagle. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Thanks to all who responded! Lots of good info. After looking through the
manual, I know a little more what to look at/for at Dayton, and the questions to ask at the booth. 73, Ken, KJ9B -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:09 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Introduction On Tue,5/12/2015 6:18 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote: > Any thoughts from > users that have compared the K3 to the Eagle? I have been very > impressed with the receiver on the Eagle! Another use for the K3 > would be as a portable rig for occasional trips using a Buddipole. Hi Ken, I don't know anything about the Eagle other than testing by ARRL and by Rob Sherwood, which shows the K3 to be superior. If you're thinking backpacking, take a look at he KX3 when you're cruising the Dayton booth. Add the KXPA100 power amp and you have a nice rig for home or mobile. Not as nice as a K3, but it also tests superior to the Eagle. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Wed,5/13/2015 10:59 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote:
> Thanks to all who responded! Lots of good info. After looking through the > manual, I know a little more what to look at/for at Dayton, and the > questions to ask at the booth. A few other thoughts, Ken. By all means, buy Elecraft gear as kits unless you have a physical handicap that makes screwing things together difficult. You'll save 10-15%. Don't feel that you must buy a loaded radio all at once -- it's easy to add stuff later. The exception to that is once the second receiver is installed, it's mechanically more difficult to add things, because for many things the 2nd RX must be removed, and it's a bit of a shoe-horn job. :) Don't try to load it up with roofing filters that you don't need. Unless you're a contester or want to work FM, you probably don't need anything more than the single 2.7 kHz IF filter that comes with the radio. That's because the IF filters are all done in DSP, so all the roofing filter does is protect that DSP from overload by strong signals outside its passband. IF you're a contester, I recommend the 250 Hz roofer for CW (some prefer the 400 Hz, and the 400 Hz filter is better for RTTY), and the 2.1 kHz filter for SSB (some prefer 1.8 kHz). 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Rob's list is invaluable, however, there are many "features" of the various
radios listed. I believe Rob's list is sorted on close signal receive performance. The K3 is the best radio I have had, however, the audio leaves a lot to be desired. The K3 would not be my first choice if receive audio was heavily weighted on my list of features. Rob's list does not address all the nuances in picking a radio. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:09 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Introduction On Tue,5/12/2015 6:18 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote: > Any thoughts from > users that have compared the K3 to the Eagle? I have been very > impressed with the receiver on the Eagle! Another use for the K3 > would be as a portable rig for occasional trips using a Buddipole. Hi Ken, I don't know anything about the Eagle other than testing by ARRL and by Rob Sherwood, which shows the K3 to be superior. If you're thinking backpacking, take a look at he KX3 when you're cruising the Dayton booth. Add the KXPA100 power amp and you have a nice rig for home or mobile. Not as nice as a K3, but it also tests superior to the Eagle. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Wed,5/13/2015 7:51 PM, jim wrote:
> I believe Rob's list is sorted on close signal receive performance. Exactly right. And my work has keyed on TX bandwidth. For all practical purposes, Rob has not looked at TX. Yes, there are MANY other features and specs that define a rig. Elecraft has chosen the design compromises and ergonomics that work best for me. YMMV. :) > The K3 is the best radio I have had, however, the audio leaves a lot to be > desired. The K3 would not be my first choice if receive audio was heavily > weighted on my list of features. Hmmm. I'm retired from a career in pro audio, and I'm quite pleased with K3 audio. It's a communications radio, not a broadcast TX or RX. I own several very nice receivers for music and entertainment, and they cost me a LOT less than a K3 -- I don't need my K3 to do that. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Jim,
I am a CW op. No need for broadcast audio performance. Just fewer artifacts and hiss to my ears. I run Sweepstakes CW and am more fatigued with the K3 than the TS-590 after Sweepers. If I add an outboard Timewave DSP-599ZX to the audio path, this combination sounds great to me and do not have the fatigue factor. Sorry I can't back this up with hard engineering figures, but my ears do not like the audio (again just plain old CW with 250 Hz roofing filter and DSP at 200 Hz). As a retired engineer in audio, you are well aware of people's perception on audio and there are times you just can't put an engineering figure on all the stuff associated with perceived audio. I am going as far as sending the rig back to Elecraft for them to have a look at it, out of warranty, to see if there is an issue with just my rig. BTW, great work on the TX bandwidth info. It "smoked out some of incorrect "feelings" that existed. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:31 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Introduction On Wed,5/13/2015 7:51 PM, jim wrote: > I believe Rob's list is sorted on close signal receive performance. Exactly right. And my work has keyed on TX bandwidth. For all practical purposes, Rob has not looked at TX. Yes, there are MANY other features and specs that define a rig. Elecraft has chosen the design compromises and ergonomics that work best for me. YMMV. :) > The K3 is the best radio I have had, however, the audio leaves a lot > to be desired. The K3 would not be my first choice if receive audio > was heavily weighted on my list of features. Hmmm. I'm retired from a career in pro audio, and I'm quite pleased with K3 audio. It's a communications radio, not a broadcast TX or RX. I own several very nice receivers for music and entertainment, and they cost me a LOT less than a K3 -- I don't need my K3 to do that. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I just noticed there is a planned change to the audio chain that will be
available in the future. Not sure if I should wait to send the rig in (boxed up with return auth from Elecraft, and was going to take to shipper today) now, or wait until the new audio board is available. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:41 AM To: [hidden email]; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Introduction Jim, I am a CW op. No need for broadcast audio performance. Just fewer artifacts and hiss to my ears. I run Sweepstakes CW and am more fatigued with the K3 than the TS-590 after Sweepers. If I add an outboard Timewave DSP-599ZX to the audio path, this combination sounds great to me and do not have the fatigue factor. Sorry I can't back this up with hard engineering figures, but my ears do not like the audio (again just plain old CW with 250 Hz roofing filter and DSP at 200 Hz). As a retired engineer in audio, you are well aware of people's perception on audio and there are times you just can't put an engineering figure on all the stuff associated with perceived audio. I am going as far as sending the rig back to Elecraft for them to have a look at it, out of warranty, to see if there is an issue with just my rig. BTW, great work on the TX bandwidth info. It "smoked out some of incorrect "feelings" that existed. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:31 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Introduction On Wed,5/13/2015 7:51 PM, jim wrote: > I believe Rob's list is sorted on close signal receive performance. Exactly right. And my work has keyed on TX bandwidth. For all practical purposes, Rob has not looked at TX. Yes, there are MANY other features and specs that define a rig. Elecraft has chosen the design compromises and ergonomics that work best for me. YMMV. :) > The K3 is the best radio I have had, however, the audio leaves a lot > to be desired. The K3 would not be my first choice if receive audio > was heavily weighted on my list of features. Hmmm. I'm retired from a career in pro audio, and I'm quite pleased with K3 audio. It's a communications radio, not a broadcast TX or RX. I own several very nice receivers for music and entertainment, and they cost me a LOT less than a K3 -- I don't need my K3 to do that. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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