Is the K3 capable of ESSB?

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I'll second that and add ANY HF band below 30MHz.
Ever notice nobody ever complains about the guys running real AM? It
always seems to be the ESSB Harry Cary wannabes getting in trouble with
splatter, QRMing ongoing QSO's, etc....


Julian G4ILO wrote:

> On 8/13/07, Brett gazdzinski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Another thing that interests me is that I listen at night
>> and there are a bunch of the usual suspects talking
>> about nothing for the most part (80 meters).
>> Its so important to fit a few more appliance operators
>> on the band to talk with friends about their pickup truck
>> that you have to rain on others parade?
>>
>> That's hardly vital communications.
>>
>
> Neither are contest exchanges, getting a "59" from a DX station to add
> another prefix to the list, or digimoders exchanging their Windows OS
> version and the model number of their RigBlaster. Let's not go there.
>
> I thought the argument was about using spectrum space efficiently.
> There are bands where it would be perfectly OK, license conditions
> aside, to use ESSB - anywhere above 28MHz springs to mind - but 80
> metres isn't it. It doesn't matter what people want to talk about,
> anyone using more bandwidth than they need just to have nicer-sounding
> audio which is not essential to the actual conveying of information is
> just being plain selfish, on a band where clear frequencies are
> already hard to find.
>

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[Brett gazdzinski-2]

 
Around here, 80 meters has about 3 qso's on the entire band
in the daytime, so what is the problem running essb or other modes?

Its bad and rude to operate in a wide mode when bands are
crowded, that's a given, but to say something is bad and
cant ever be done below 28 MHz seems wrong.

Brett
N2DTS

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Julian G4ILO
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 4:35 AM
> To: elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 capable of ESSB?
>
> On 8/13/07, Brett gazdzinski
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Another thing that interests me is that I listen at night
> > and there are a bunch of the usual suspects talking
> > about nothing for the most part (80 meters).
> > Its so important to fit a few more appliance operators
> > on the band to talk with friends about their pickup truck
> > that you have to rain on others parade?
> >
> > That's hardly vital communications.
> >
>
> Neither are contest exchanges, getting a "59" from a DX station to add
> another prefix to the list, or digimoders exchanging their Windows OS
> version and the model number of their RigBlaster. Let's not go there.
>
> I thought the argument was about using spectrum space efficiently.
> There are bands where it would be perfectly OK, license conditions
> aside, to use ESSB - anywhere above 28MHz springs to mind - but 80
> metres isn't it. It doesn't matter what people want to talk about,
> anyone using more bandwidth than they need just to have nicer-sounding
> audio which is not essential to the actual conveying of information is
> just being plain selfish, on a band where clear frequencies are
> already hard to find.
>
> --
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[Julian, G4ILO]

On 8/13/07, Brett gazdzinski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Around here, 80 meters has about 3 qso's on the entire band
> in the daytime, so what is the problem running essb or other modes?
>
> Its bad and rude to operate in a wide mode when bands are
> crowded, that's a given, but to say something is bad and
> cant ever be done below 28 MHz seems wrong.
>

That's because the D layer absorption means your signals on 80m won't
travel very far at that time of day. If you live in a rural area there
may not be many stations on the air within reach at that time. It
might not be the same in a densely populated area, though.

Unfortunately it's hard to make rules that allow something to be done
only when it doesn't affect something else. Once you start to condone
wide band modes on the LF and HF bands people will use them whether
the bands are crowded or not.
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[Thom LaCosta]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Brett gazdzinski wrote:

>
> Around here, 80 meters has about 3 qso's on the entire band
> in the daytime, so what is the problem running essb or other modes?

And you're quite sure that as evening approaches, and more folks come on the
air, that the essb stations will close up shop in the spirit of cooperation?

Or if you don't think they will, then who will "suggest" to them that they
become neighborly?

>
> Its bad and rude to operate in a wide mode when bands are
> crowded, that's a given, but to say something is bad and
> cant ever be done below 28 MHz seems wrong.

Not really, making a statement that wide and inefficient communications modes
that may be a nusiance to US hams, and are at odds with the regulations of other
countries, should be used only above 28 mHz makes a lot of sense...unless one
has a personal agenda to use them in crowded bands.

73 k3hrn
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[Ralph Tyrrell]

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

These concerns about using excessive bandwidth are all
certainly  legitimate, but history suggests that
anyone seriously against using more bandwidth/signal
in crowded bands needs to take a different approach or
their concerns will not be heard.  . . . . .
Nonetheless, it was and the 40 meter AM 'phone' band
segment opened in  the USA in the 1950's ending that
band's 300 kHz of CW-only 0peration. . . . . .
---------
Ron:
I remember loosing a part of the 40 M band, it was sad
but I only had one xtal for 40 M for 7035 KHz.

A few years later I had a Central Electronics 20A. I
ran into several operators who stated "my receiver
will not tune SSB".

Change is what we have to put up with, someone will
always have a better way of communicating on our
amateur bands. We need to be hospitable to these new
ideas until they go away, or prove themselves.
It is great that we have so many choices now. The K3
is also a good choice.

For the last four years I have been 100% CW with my
K1, the only HF rig I have on the air. I have plans to
build a K2 this fall, with SSB adaptor. I feel I need
some change also.

73, Ty, W1TF K1 #1423



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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

Guys - This is the official END the ESSB thread. We've exceeded our
threshold for an excessive number of postings on a topic in 24 hours by
a WIDE margin. ;-)

Please, no more arguments pro/con on this topic to the list.

Also, please let's avoid a protracted thread on the pros/cons of Pactor III.

73, Eric   WA6HHQ
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[Brett gazdzinski-2]

 No, I think if they would want to stay on the band,
they would narrow it down.
Its not a fixed thing, its all about audio bandwidth
(and low distortion). You just cut the high end and balance out
the lows.

Or, maybe they would occupy the ESSB window and chat about
it.

Often on 80 and 40 meters in the morning on weekends
(when I operate) the east coast is open.

40 meters can really cook with AM on 7285, 7290, and 7295,
with low power guys booming in, 25 to 50 watts carrier, not
lately, 80 seems to be more open at this point of the sunspot
cycle.

I just think the bandwidth part of it is a bogus issue, if you are
only interested in packing in QSO's, CW or digital modes is
much better than voice.

I don't give a hoot about ESSB, it still sounds much worse
than good AM, but I don't see a problem with people making it
sound a bit more pleasant to listen to while rag chewing.
 
I think you could communicate with a 1500 Hz bandwidth,
say 500 to 2000 Hz, maybe everyone should be restricted to that
at all times?

The typical outsider would hear that and run, asking why
ANYONE would want to listen to that noise.

Brett
N2DTS

>
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Brett gazdzinski wrote:
>
> >
> > Around here, 80 meters has about 3 qso's on the entire band
> > in the daytime, so what is the problem running essb or other modes?
>
> And you're quite sure that as evening approaches, and more
> folks come on the
> air, that the essb stations will close up shop in the spirit
> of cooperation?
>
> Or if you don't think they will, then who will "suggest" to
> them that they
> become neighborly?
>
> >
> > Its bad and rude to operate in a wide mode when bands are
> > crowded, that's a given, but to say something is bad and
> > cant ever be done below 28 MHz seems wrong.
>
> Not really, making a statement that wide and inefficient
> communications modes
> that may be a nusiance to US hams, and are at odds with the
> regulations of other
> countries, should be used only above 28 mHz makes a lot of
> sense...unless one
> has a personal agenda to use them in crowded bands.
>
> 73 k3hrn
> Thom,EIEIO
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[Scott Manthe-2]

Eric killed this thread. Please take the debate to email.

Brett gazdzinski wrote:

>  No, I think if they would want to stay on the band,
> they would narrow it down.
> Its not a fixed thing, its all about audio bandwidth
> (and low distortion). You just cut the high end and balance out
> the lows.
>
> Or, maybe they would occupy the ESSB window and chat about
> it.
>
> Often on 80 and 40 meters in the morning on weekends
> (when I operate) the east coast is open.
>
> 40 meters can really cook with AM on 7285, 7290, and 7295,
> with low power guys booming in, 25 to 50 watts carrier, not
> lately, 80 seems to be more open at this point of the sunspot
> cycle.
>
> I just think the bandwidth part of it is a bogus issue, if you are
> only interested in packing in QSO's, CW or digital modes is
> much better than voice.
>
> I don't give a hoot about ESSB, it still sounds much worse
> than good AM, but I don't see a problem with people making it
> sound a bit more pleasant to listen to while rag chewing.
>  
> I think you could communicate with a 1500 Hz bandwidth,
> say 500 to 2000 Hz, maybe everyone should be restricted to that
> at all times?
>
> The typical outsider would hear that and run, asking why
> ANYONE would want to listen to that noise.
>
> Brett
> N2DTS
>
>  

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[W2AGN-2]

Scott Manthe wrote:
> Eric killed this thread. Please take the debate to email.
>

Hey, I missed the part where he appointed you to the List Police. Sorry I didn't
see it, and congratulations.
--
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