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K1 speaker replacement

ARDUJENSKI
Are these viable speaker replacements for the K1  when an internal battery
pack is  used?

http://www.regalusa.com/micro_speakers___receivers.html

Alan  KB7MBI  




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Re: K1 speaker replacement

Niel Skousen-2
or even a KX1 spkr ....   If anybody knows what Apple is using for the
iPhone spkrs... please holler.  they sound pretty decent for the size.

Niel



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K3 in SS Phone

Ed Muns, W0YK
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I seldom operate phone, but ARRL Sweepstakes Phone is one exception.  Our
local contest club pushes all members to get on both modes of Sweepstakes
for the club competition.  I normally dread the approach of the phone
weekend and while this year was no exception, I was curious how the K3 would
perform and that provided a little incentive going into the fray.

Well, I'm impressed!  I can actually imagine doing another phone contest
sometime.  The K3 was simply wonderful compared to my prior experiences with
other radios.  Overall, there was significantly less operator fatigue.  I
never felt "beat up" by the horrendous conditions in this domestic phone
contest.  In recent years, I'd given up trying to find and hold a viable run
frequency on 40 meters, but this time it was as easy as other bands.

On receive, I used the 1.8kHz crystal filter with the same DSP bandwidth,
although signals were quite intelligible down to 1.2kHz and at 1.5kHz there
wasn't much degradation from 1.8kHz.  As yet, the K3 filter center
frequencies are not settable in the CONFIG menu, but I found that an IF
SHIFT of -500Hz to work well with the 1.8kHz filter.  (That's an FC of
1.10kHz.)  For now, this results in a pass band icon in the display that is
skewed to the left.  I set up Presets I & II to be the 2.8 and 1.8kHz
filters respectively and switching between them results in virtually the
same desired audio, but with most of the undesired audio stripped off with
the narrower filter ... just what you'd want.  There is no sense of audio
constriction, just absence of noise and other distractions in the pass band.
Whenever I've used narrow SSB filters in the past with other radios, there
was always a audio quality compromise that took my brain several hours of
listening to get accustomed to.  Intelligibility was severely compromised.
The K3 is a whole different experience because all that happens with the
narrower filter is you lose the fatigue-building sounds.

Just like on the other modes, the problem in using the K3 is that you can
operate so much closer to others that the stations you are working have
problems unless they, too, are using the K3.  I've never had so many
occurrences of people asking me to move a bit further away from their
transmit frequency.  I predict that we will soon have a sense of signal
spacing for K3s that much denser than other radios.  This only works if both
ends of the circuit are using K3s ... fortunate for Elecraft and hopefully
motivating for other radio manufacturers.

On transmit, I used a Heil headset with the HC4 element that is shaped for
punch in crowded and/or weak signal conditions, rather than hi-fidelity.  I
set the K3 TX equalizer with the bottom three bands (50, 100 and 200) at
-16dB, the 2.4kHz at +2dB and 3.2kHz at +4dB.  Adding more at the high end
is not generally needed with this mic element but my natural voice is
weighted low in frequency so a bit more high emphasis is crisper.
Compression was set to max at 30 and a lot of testing was done at other
settings to determine that no ill effects were heard at the higher settings.
However, signal quality was sensitive to Mic level.  I found that when the
Mic level was increased such that the K3's CMP meter kicked up above 10dB
that clipping of voice peaks occurred.  This is a bit backward from how one
would normally adjust Mic and CMP, but it worked much better to ignore the
ALC meter and just watch CMP when running the compressor wide open.  Mic
level was 15 on the 'L' range for both K3s.

One anecdotal measure of improved TX audio quality was the number of repeats
that I was asked for ... virtually none and those were only when a nearby
strong signal was covering my own.  In particular, in past Phone Sweepstakes
I was asked every other QSO for a repeat on my Check (62) but this time it
was no more asked for than other parts of the exchange.  I was surprised at
the number of unsolicited comments about "nice audio", which is a challenge
to produce with high compression.

VOX--another delightful story.  I just never used VOX before the K3 because
it was impractical, especially in a contest.  The VOX and antiVOX settings
were tricky to adjust and never worked well enough to allow comfortable use
of it.  I always felt like VOX was some kind of lab experiment that sort of
worked but wasn't ready for prime time.  Well, enter the K3 and all is
changed.  I ran with VOX the entire 24 hours and never even thought about
it.  The experience was totally transparent, and I mean that literally, much
like the exceptional QSK on CW.  I set VOX at 70, ANTIVOX at 0 and DELAY at
15.  I started with DELAY at 5 as N0SS has noted and it worked fine but one
critic noticed the transitions between words so I compromised at 15msec.  I
think it was more a "new experience" for my listener than an actual problem.
Before the K3, there hasn't been a VOX (that I'm aware of) which operated so
responsively.  5msec would have avoided a couple instances where the other
station came back so fast that I missed part of the first letter of his
call.

ARRL Sweepstakes is one of the most punishing environments for a radio to
tackle.  In both modes, the K3 handled it with exceptional ease.  It is now
unthinkable to recall all the many phone Sweepstakes I've done in the past
with other radios.

73,
Ed - W0YK (K6YT in SS)

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Re: K3 in SS Phone

M0XDF
Ed, I'm waiting for my K3 and I'm a phone man at present (working on my
Morse).
I have a 2.8kHz and 400Hz on order. Reading your post, maybe I should
consider either a 1.8 or a 2.1 kHz filter too.
Given the option, which would choose?

Anyone else want to chip in too please.

Kind of decision I couldn't make back in May.

On 19/11/07 18:50, "Ed Muns" <[hidden email]> sent:
> On receive, I used the 1.8kHz crystal filter with the same DSP bandwidth,
> although signals were quite intelligible down to 1.2kHz and at 1.5kHz there
> wasn't much degradation from 1.8kHz.  As yet, the K3 filter center
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Re: K3 in SS Phone

M0XDF

Sorry, that should have been a choice between 1.5 & 1.8 ...

On 19/11/07 19:19, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> sent:

> Ed, I'm waiting for my K3 and I'm a phone man at present (working on my
> Morse).
> I have a 2.8kHz and 400Hz on order. Reading your post, maybe I should consider
> either a 1.8 or a 2.1 kHz filter too.
> Given the option, which would choose?
>
> Anyone else want to chip in too please.
>
> Kind of decision I couldn't make back in May.
>
> On 19/11/07 18:50, "Ed Muns" <[hidden email]> sent:
>> On receive, I used the 1.8kHz crystal filter with the same DSP bandwidth,
>> although signals were quite intelligible down to 1.2kHz and at 1.5kHz there
>> wasn't much degradation from 1.8kHz.  As yet, the K3 filter center

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Re: K3 in SS Phone

w6jd
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I can only second Ed's comments. I, too, am a non-phone operator
but SS did seem to be a good time to wring out the K3 on that mode.
It's true, the vox/anti vox is flawless. No first syllable clipping and no
annoying drop outs. The K3 audio is so clean that its a real
pleasure to listen to. Ed and I are both in the same rf environment,
more or less; he's on a hill and I'm in the flatlands but the K3 did
a remarkable job with the very strong local signals in SCV.
 I had only the stock 2.7 filter but if I were ever to get serious
 about SSB I would go for the 1.8 filter.

Doug
W6JD
K2 #1626, K3 #23

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Ed Muns" <[hidden email]>

> I seldom operate phone, but ARRL Sweepstakes Phone is one exception. Our
> local contest club pushes all members to get on both modes of Sweepstakes
> for the club competition. I normally dread the approach of the phone
> weekend and while this year was no exception, I was curious how the K3 would
> perform and that provided a little incentive going into the fray.
>
> Well, I'm impressed! I can actually imagine doing another phone contest
> sometime. The K3 was simply wonderful compared to my prior experiences with
> other radios. Overall, there was significantly less operator fatigue. I
> never felt "beat up" by the horrendous conditions in this domestic phone
> contest. In recent years, I'd given up trying to find and hold a viable run
> frequency on 40 meters, but this time it was as easy as other bands.
>
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RE: K3 in SS Phone

Ed Muns, W0YK
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If there were a 1.5kHz filter available, I might consider it.  I'll be
talking with INRAD about it.  You can see what 1.5kHz is like by moving the
DSP down to 1.5kHz, or even lower.  You just won't have the crystal filter
to keep nearby strong signals out of the DSP.

I think the 1.8kHz filter will be great for some time, until the entire
world converts over to K3s with 1.8kHz filters.  Then, you might need the
advantage of 1.5kHz!

In either case, though, the intelligible audio (the part you want to hear),
is essentially identical between the 2.8 and 1.8, or even 1.5, bandwidths
with the correct IF shift.

I hope my post doesn't result in a disruptive run on 1.8kHz filters at
Elecraft with a commensurate dearth of 2.1's in their stock (and, INRAD's)!


73,
Ed - W0YK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Ferrington, M0XDF [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Monday, 19 November, 2007 11:21
> To: [hidden email]; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 in SS Phone
>
>
> Sorry, that should have been a choice between 1.5 & 1.8 ...
>
> On 19/11/07 19:19, "David Ferrington, M0XDF"
> <[hidden email]> sent:
>
> > Ed, I'm waiting for my K3 and I'm a phone man at present
> (working on
> > my Morse).
> > I have a 2.8kHz and 400Hz on order. Reading your post,
> maybe I should
> > consider either a 1.8 or a 2.1 kHz filter too.
> > Given the option, which would choose?
> >
> > Anyone else want to chip in too please.
> >
> > Kind of decision I couldn't make back in May.
> >
> > On 19/11/07 18:50, "Ed Muns" <[hidden email]> sent:
> >> On receive, I used the 1.8kHz crystal filter with the same DSP
> >> bandwidth, although signals were quite intelligible down to 1.2kHz
> >> and at 1.5kHz there wasn't much degradation from 1.8kHz.  
> As yet, the
> >> K3 filter center
>
> --
> Trust in Allah, but tie your camel. -Arabic saying
>
>
>

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Re: K3 in SS Phone

wayne burdick
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One of the variable-passband filters we've been considering is one for
SSB, with a range of about 1.4 to 2.2 kHz. It would have 5 poles rather
than 8, but I'm sure it would work well in combination with the I.F.
DSP. The MCU would automatically dial in the crystal filter bandwidth
to match the DSP.

This would be a slot-saver for those want multiple SSB RX bandwidths.
Once the CW variable-passband filter was also ready, you might have:

    FL1  6.0 kHz
    FL2  2.7 or 2.8 kHz
    FL3  1.4-2.2 kHz (SSB variable passband crystal filter)
    FL4  0.4-0.8 kHz (CW variable passband crystal filter)
    FL5  200 Hz

Variable filters covering a wide range will have slightly greater
ripple than fixed filters when they approach either end of their range,
so we'd only use them in receive mode. In the example above, FL2 would
be used for SSB/CW/DATA transmit and FL1 for AM transmit. Those who
wanted FM and were less concerned about the narrowest possible CW/DATA
bandwidths could shift all of the filters down one slot, bumping out
the 200-Hz filter.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Ed Muns wrote:

> If there were a 1.5kHz filter available, I might consider it....

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Re: Re: K3 in SS Phone

M0XDF
That looks like a very good plan - Wayne, you've just done yourself out of a
2.1kHz sale!
I'll wait for the variables.
Now should I swap my 400 for a 200?

On 19/11/07 21:24, "wayne burdick" <[hidden email]> sent:

> One of the variable-passband filters we've been considering is one for
> SSB, with a range of about 1.4 to 2.2 kHz. It would have 5 poles rather
> than 8, but I'm sure it would work well in combination with the I.F.
> DSP. The MCU would automatically dial in the crystal filter bandwidth
> to match the DSP.
>
> This would be a slot-saver for those want multiple SSB RX bandwidths.
> Once the CW variable-passband filter was also ready, you might have:
>
>     FL1  6.0 kHz
>     FL2  2.7 or 2.8 kHz
>     FL3  1.4-2.2 kHz (SSB variable passband crystal filter)
>     FL4  0.4-0.8 kHz (CW variable passband crystal filter)
>     FL5  200 Hz
>
> Variable filters covering a wide range will have slightly greater
> ripple than fixed filters when they approach either end of their range,
> so we'd only use them in receive mode. In the example above, FL2 would
> be used for SSB/CW/DATA transmit and FL1 for AM transmit. Those who
> wanted FM and were less concerned about the narrowest possible CW/DATA
> bandwidths could shift all of the filters down one slot, bumping out
> the 200-Hz filter.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: K3 in SS Phone

wayne burdick
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Two followup comments. (1) I can't put a date or specs on the variable
filters yet. (2) Ebay is a good place for previously-owned fixed
filters.

:)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Nov 19, 2007, at 1:42 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

> That looks like a very good plan - Wayne, you've just done yourself
> out of a
> 2.1kHz sale!
> I'll wait for the variables.
> Now should I swap my 400 for a 200?
>
> On 19/11/07 21:24, "wayne burdick" <[hidden email]> sent:
>
>> One of the variable-passband filters we've been considering is one for
>> SSB, with a range of about 1.4 to 2.2 kHz.


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Re: K3 in SS Phone - non user observation

k0wa@swbell.net
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Concerning SS Phone.  The bands were extremely crowded which caused a whole lot of stress on the operators and rigs.  I was multi-op at W0NO this year and we used a PROIII.  I was not impressed.  Well, it worked, but the fatigue I experienced after a 4 hours stint on the extremely crowded bands was about to drive me insane.  I never have that with the K2 or an IC-765 which is a sweet sounding radio.  The PROIII seem to have a lot of artifacts that garbled much of the audio because I think that the DSP was getting hit hard.  Now, I am not a digital type of guy...but...there were times you just could not stand the "bacon frying" in the background.

Since we area at the lowest point in the cycle....a lot of people were crowded into three bands (160 was active but never got there)...with a lot of power...big antennas...and a whole lot of yelling (Hi).  I was wondering how the K3 did in the mess.  This was a good test for the K3

I haven't ordered mine yet....I am looking forward to number 3500 or so....  For now, I will stick with the K2 and the PROII...but the penny jar is getting full.

Lee - K0WA



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Re: Re: K3 in SS Phone

Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
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I suspect there's going to be some very nice QRP rig designs that use
2.7kHz filters at 8.215 MHz.

Speaking of filters, I find it amusing that there's a 2.1kHz filter
available (I have one), but the WIDTH value jumps from 2.2 to 2.0 kHz.

73, doug

   From: wayne burdick <[hidden email]>
   Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:47:42 -0800

   Two followup comments. (1) I can't put a date or specs on the variable
   filters yet. (2) Ebay is a good place for previously-owned fixed
   filters.

   On Nov 19, 2007, at 1:42 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

   > That looks like a very good plan - Wayne, you've just done yourself
   > out of a
   > 2.1kHz sale!
   > I'll wait for the variables.
   > Now should I swap my 400 for a 200?
   >
   > On 19/11/07 21:24, "wayne burdick" <[hidden email]> sent:
   >
   >> One of the variable-passband filters we've been considering is one for
   >> SSB, with a range of about 1.4 to 2.2 kHz.


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K3 Filters

Jim Wiley-2
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Wayne -


I am probably going to be purchasing a K3 sometime within the next few
months.  When I do, I am wondering about the filters.  I have 2 each
Yaesu FT-1000 MK 5 transceivers with all the slots full of Inrad
filters.  I read a message on this reflector several weeks ago that
implied that the Inrad catalog numbers seem to be the same (or very
similar) for both the Yaesu and Elecraft versions.  So, the 64 dollar
question is:  will the filters I have in my mark-5 fit into the K3?  
Possibly with some different "header boards" to fit the K3 sockets?


- Jim Wiley, KL7CC



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Re: K3 Filters

wayne burdick
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Hi Jim,

The K3 uses completely different (and smaller) filter carrier boards.
Your MK5 filters could in theory be removed from the existing carriers
and put onto ours, but I'm not sure if we can supply empty carrier
boards for customer use. I'll have to run this one by Eric.

Another consideration: We're holding all of our crystal filters to a
high standard of dynamic range, and an older INRAD filter may not
perform the same as the ones we supply. This is necessary because the
K3 has higher performance than most of the rigs the filters were used
in previously.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Jim Wiley wrote:

> Wayne -
>
>
> I am probably going to be purchasing a K3 sometime within the next few
> months.  When I do, I am wondering about the filters.  I have 2 each
> Yaesu FT-1000 MK 5 transceivers with all the slots full of Inrad
> filters.  I read a message on this reflector several weeks ago that
> implied that the Inrad catalog numbers seem to be the same (or very
> similar) for both the Yaesu and Elecraft versions.  So, the 64 dollar
> question is:  will the filters I have in my mark-5 fit into the K3?  
> Possibly with some different "header boards" to fit the K3 sockets?
>

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RE: Re: K3 in SS Phone

Ed Muns, W0YK
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> Speaking of filters, I find it amusing that there's a 2.1kHz
> filter available (I have one), but the WIDTH value jumps from
> 2.2 to 2.0 kHz.

It's been on the firmware issue list for some time now.  Wayne is working on
higher priories, and I'm glad he is!

73,
Ed - W0YK

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Re: K3 in SS Phone

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In a message dated 11/19/2007 11:20:14 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:
Ed, I'm waiting for my  K3 and I'm a phone man at present (working on my
Morse).
I have a 2.8kHz  and 400Hz on order. Reading your post, maybe I should
consider either a 1.8  or a 2.1 kHz filter too.
Given the option, which would choose?

Anyone  else want to chip in too please.

Kind of decision I couldn't make back in  May.

I opted for the std 2.7K to get the feel of the rig first. I found the dsp  
filter to be so effective that I'd be hard pressed to go to a narrower filter.  
But, I'm primarily a cw op with a lot of ssb time. I did find times when I
was  working between a couple strong stations where the 1.8k would have helped.
I am  presently ready to order a 250 hz for the cw ops, but again, the dsp
works  amazingly good at 50 hz. I haven't gotten into a deep CW brawl yet so I'm
not  sure how much I need the narrow roofing, but my experience in ss phone
tells me  I need it.  I've placed high score in ss phone years ago an I have a  
feeling that the K3 is going to make that a reasonable expectation in the  
future.  
 
Good luck es CU in the test  WA6VNN, Al



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Re: K3 in SS Phone

Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
Having tried them out in a grim environment, if I were to do it now,
I'd go for the 1.8kHz filter.  The 2.1 worked well, but
intelligebility (sp?) didn't suffer down to 1.8 (which I didn't
believe would be the case).

I'm not much of a 'phone op.

73, doug

   From: [hidden email]
   Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:41:09 EST

   In a message dated 11/19/2007 11:20:14 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
   [hidden email] writes:
   Ed, I'm waiting for my  K3 and I'm a phone man at present (working on my
   Morse).
   I have a 2.8kHz  and 400Hz on order. Reading your post, maybe I should
   consider either a 1.8  or a 2.1 kHz filter too.
   Given the option, which would choose?

   Anyone  else want to chip in too please.

   Kind of decision I couldn't make back in  May.

   I opted for the std 2.7K to get the feel of the rig first. I found the dsp  
   filter to be so effective that I'd be hard pressed to go to a narrower filter.  
   But, I'm primarily a cw op with a lot of ssb time. I did find times when I
   was  working between a couple strong stations where the 1.8k would have helped.
   I am  presently ready to order a 250 hz for the cw ops, but again, the dsp
   works  amazingly good at 50 hz. I haven't gotten into a deep CW brawl yet so I'm
   not  sure how much I need the narrow roofing, but my experience in ss phone
   tells me  I need it.  I've placed high score in ss phone years ago an I have a  
   feeling that the K3 is going to make that a reasonable expectation in the  
   future.  

   Good luck es CU in the test  WA6VNN, Al

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Re: K3 in SS Phone

M0XDF
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Thank you all for the replies.

On 19/11/07 19:20, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> sent:
> Sorry, that should have been a choice between 1.5 & 1.8 ...
> On 19/11/07 19:19, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> sent:
>> either a 1.8 or a 2.1 kHz filter too.
>> Given the option, which would choose?
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K3 variable roofing filters

Paul-285
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>One of the variable-passband filters we've been considering is one
>for SSB, with a range of about 1.4 to 2.2 kHz. It would have 5 poles
>rather than 8, but I'm sure it would work well in combination with
>the I.F. DSP. The MCU would automatically dial in the crystal filter
>bandwidth to match the DSP.
>
>This would be a slot-saver for those want multiple SSB RX
>bandwidths. Once the CW variable-passband filter was also ready, you
>might have:
>
>    FL1  6.0 kHz
>    FL2  2.7 or 2.8 kHz
>    FL3  1.4-2.2 kHz (SSB variable passband crystal filter)
>    FL4  0.4-0.8 kHz (CW variable passband crystal filter)
>    FL5  200 Hz

Wayne,

Can you give me a rough projected price range that these two variable
roofing filters might sell for so that I can decide whether to buy
fixed filters now or wait for the variables...

73,

Paul

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Re: K3 variable roofing filters

dave.wilburn
And a ballpark of when you think they may be available.  Seems likely it
would be first half of next year, with the rest of this year being busy
getting K3's out the door.
-  

David Wilburn
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On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 10:36 -0500, [hidden email] wrote:

> >One of the variable-passband filters we've been considering is one
> >for SSB, with a range of about 1.4 to 2.2 kHz. It would have 5 poles
> >rather than 8, but I'm sure it would work well in combination with
> >the I.F. DSP. The MCU would automatically dial in the crystal filter
> >bandwidth to match the DSP.
> >
> >This would be a slot-saver for those want multiple SSB RX
> >bandwidths. Once the CW variable-passband filter was also ready, you
> >might have:
> >
> >    FL1  6.0 kHz
> >    FL2  2.7 or 2.8 kHz
> >    FL3  1.4-2.2 kHz (SSB variable passband crystal filter)
> >    FL4  0.4-0.8 kHz (CW variable passband crystal filter)
> >    FL5  200 Hz
>
> Wayne,
>
> Can you give me a rough projected price range that these two variable
> roofing filters might sell for so that I can decide whether to buy
> fixed filters now or wait for the variables...
>
> 73,
>
> Paul
>
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