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I would also like to see some surface mount kits from Elecraft. Vic AJ4ZT -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dale Putnam Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 12:57 PM To: Phil Wheeler; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: K2 Options As we all get better with SMD.. I hope more kits come along that we can build using that technology. There are some small kits available today, but it would be great to see some of the Elecraft kits available with smd. Maybe use the dummy load kit as a primer, then the KAF2 could be easily converted to SMD, for one example. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Phil,
You can't let "aging" stop you. I wear a clear face cover and use a binocular 5 to 10 x magnifier. The really small parts however, aren't meant for human handling. But the larger size are fine. If an SMD kit were made with a proper mask for solder paste, it wouldn't be bad at all. I think it would be "fun". 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 9/7/2015 11:30 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Well, Dale, I'm set up for SMD, and can do it, but I don't regard it > as "fun". Too easy to sneeze and lose parts which are hard to see at > any distance. My nerves and vision are not what they were 10-15 years > ago, either; I think that's what they call "aging" :-) > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 9/7/15 9:56 AM, Dale Putnam wrote: >> As we all get better with SMD.. I hope more kits come along that we >> can build using that technology. >> There are some small kits available today, but it would be great to >> see some of the Elecraft kits available >> with smd. Maybe use the dummy load kit as a primer, then the KAF2 >> could be easily converted to SMD, for >> one example. >> >> Have a great day, >> >> >> --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I have built several non-Elecraft kits which included some SMD
parts. I just followed the instructions and things came out fine. The kits were fun to build. The argument I gave Eric at a ham convention involved getting young people interested in and experienced with construction. I think this goal is important for both the hobby and the economic viability of the country. The argument didn't fly with Eric. I think he was concerned with support costs. 73 Bill AE6JV On 9/7/15 at 11:11 AM, [hidden email] (Doug Person via Elecraft) wrote: >If an SMD kit were made with a proper mask for solder paste, it >wouldn't be bad at all. I think it would be "fun". --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Or that perhaps Eric was concerned with an unsupportable failure rate, as
in where *most* people fail, is more like it. That is why you will see very little of a kit where you solder SMD parts. Fine activity for those few who can do it well, but considering that kind of skill as "common" is not just unrealistic, but more like silly. Beyond skills, there is the problem of how SMD parts are made and distributed. Particularly on a tape reel containing 1000's of the same part with precision spacing on the tape, meant to feed a machine. Bazillions of SMD parts are made, distributed and fabricated on boards with these methods where the first handle-able output is a fully populated and soldered PC board. That's just a reality these days, and discrete part kits are now an odd, tiny, tiny, niche in the universe of all electronic that goes on. If you really want a discrete parts kit experience of some substance, best buy yourself a K2 kit, before Elecraft decides to drop it. 73, Guy K2AV On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote: > I have built several non-Elecraft kits which included some SMD parts. I > just followed the instructions and things came out fine. The kits were fun > to build. > > The argument I gave Eric at a ham convention involved getting young people > interested in and experienced with construction. I think this goal is > important for both the hobby and the economic viability of the country. The > argument didn't fly with Eric. I think he was concerned with support costs. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 9/7/15 at 11:11 AM, [hidden email] (Doug Person via > Elecraft) wrote: > > If an SMD kit were made with a proper mask for solder paste, it wouldn't >> be bad at all. I think it would be "fun". >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: > 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the > www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Excuse me while I boast a bit:
I built two DEMI transverter kits this past month and have two more to do. The board is smd with about 100 or more components. I built a 222-28 and 2304-144 transverter and waiting for a 902-144 and a second 2304-144 kit to arrive. it takes me about 7-10 days to do a kit (leisurely). Probably about 18-22 hours per kit without testing. I'm 71 and still able to work on this stuff but did buy a new magnifier lamp this summer (I wore out the previous one). Secrets to doing smd work have been previously discussed so I will not bore anyone by repeating. If Elecraft started offering smd kits I would have lots more work building kits for others! <smile> But doing a kit for a K3 would be probably beyond my patience (and failure rate). I think they have a lot of very small smd parts on the board which get much more difficult (I like 0603 and larger). Probably just as well the new radios are not kits - customer service would need to be much much larger! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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