K2 and FSK (summary)
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Ron and Dick
I appreciate your interesting posts. As Ron says AFSK is as clean as FSK if AF in level is set properly. Last week end I enjoyed CQ WW RTTY contest with QRP K2 (5W) One of major problem was that AF in level must be re-adjusted each time when I change Band. This is not in the case of FSK. I believe FSK is much simpler at least in operation. I have same problem (re-adjusting AF in level) when I change mode (RTTY to PSK31 etc) This is why I posted this question on the list. I hope Elecraft plans something new in this area. Thanks again 73 de aki, ja1nlx [hidden email] http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~yy7a-ysd/ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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hi Aki - absolutely right - for contest situations, it is especially useful to not have to worry about readjusting the radio when changing bands. But even for casual operating, its nice to be able to set the mode and go, without having to make adjustments. This past weekend, I operated the CQWW RTTY contest at another operator's station. Since he was not a RTTY op, nor did he have SO2R capability, I hauled two FT1000Ds and a desktop computer to his QTH. I had wanted to operate high power, but after getting two monster rigs, keyboard, and monitor on his table, there was no way I was going to be able to deal effectively with his two non-auto-tune amps - so I went low power and did all right. But lugging those big radios was definitely non-optimal! Later, I was thinking about the perfect portable set up for the future... how cool would it be to have two K2/100s with peaked and tweaked data filters, plus a KPA800 or KPA1500 amp with its SO2R ability (and auto-tune and it can sit under the desk)? I have always hesitated to use the K2 in RTTY contesting because you cannot zero the RIT by computer command, and because of no FSK (and also because you have to use non-standard tones to get within the filter bandwidth capability - with practice, I have gotten pretty good at tuning to pitch.) The latest RTTY contesting software, with the ability to have multiple receive windows with different settings, has made it so that I hardly ever touch the RIT anymore. If we could get FSK, I would probably get past the tone issue... Looking at the schematics (RF sheet 1, left side), if I understand the circuit correctly, all it would take is injecting a voltage of the correct value and summing it with the thermistor voltage to create a 170Hz shift (shifting the 8B value to the thermistor might even be easier). What I don't know is: 1. How precise this voltage would need to be; 2. Whether the same voltage would work for all bands. Any insight on how "baked" this scheme is, before I start messing up my K2, will be very much appreciated! thanks - jeff wk6i ps: plan B: inject the two tones directly into the transmit audio. this sounds harder. At 11:24 PM 9/25/2005, a.yoshida wrote: >I appreciate your interesting posts. >As Ron says AFSK is as clean as FSK if AF in level is set properly. > >Last week end I enjoyed CQ WW RTTY contest with QRP K2 (5W) >One of major problem was that AF in level must be re-adjusted >each time when I change Band. This is not in the case of FSK. >I believe FSK is much simpler at least in operation. >I have same problem (re-adjusting AF in level) when I change mode >(RTTY to PSK31 etc) > >This is why I posted this question on the list. >I hope Elecraft plans something new in this area. -- Jeff Stai [hidden email] Twisted Oak Winery http://www.twistedoak.com/ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 14:33 -0700, Jeff Stai wrote:
> you cannot zero the RIT by computer command Sure you can. Use the RC command. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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At 02:45 PM 9/26/2005, Brian Mury wrote:
>On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 14:33 -0700, Jeff Stai wrote: >> you cannot zero the RIT by computer command > >Sure you can. Use the RC command. uhhhh - OK, so I downloaded the K2 programmers reference, which I have never looked at. If I understand correctly, that command typically applies if you are adjusting RIT under computer control using RU and RD. But, the K2 uses the last control action, so if I send an RC it will clear a pot command, but as soon as I touch the pot it will use the current pot position.... worst case is the next needed position for the RIT knob is on the other side of zero. It would feel like an unseen force turned the knob the wrong way before you turned it the right way - something I could probably get used to... thanks! - jeff wk6i -- Jeff Stai [hidden email] Twisted Oak Winery http://www.twistedoak.com/ Rocketry Org. of CA http://www.rocstock.org/ Amateur Radio WK6I ~ Calaveras County, CA ~ WI6NE 40th Annual California QSO Party! ~ Oct 1-2, 2005 ~ http://www.cqp.org/ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 16:52 -0700, Jeff Stai wrote:
> But, the K2 uses the last control action, so if I send an RC it will > clear a pot command, but as soon as I touch the pot it will use the > current pot position.... worst case is the next needed position for > the RIT knob is on the other side of zero. It would feel like an > unseen force turned the knob the wrong way before you turned it the > right way Correct. Until Elecraft adds a motor to physically turn the knob, that's how it'll work. :-) Hey, don't laugh, there are audio mixers with computer control that do that - kinda neat watching the sliders move by themselves. Of course, the other way to do it would be to use an encoder instead of a pot. > - something I could probably get used to... You might find the white line on the knob to be of use - at least you can see where the RIT will jump to when you touch the knob. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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At 05:25 PM 9/26/2005, Brian Mury wrote:
>> - something I could probably get used to... > >You might find the white line on the knob to be of use - at least you >can see where the RIT will jump to when you touch the knob. yeah, if I'm looking at the knob...! adding something tactile to the knob would help, I bet... now, back to FSK...?-) - jeff wk6i -- Jeff Stai [hidden email] Twisted Oak Winery http://www.twistedoak.com/ Rocketry Org. of CA http://www.rocstock.org/ Amateur Radio WK6I ~ Calaveras County, CA ~ WI6NE 40th Annual California QSO Party! ~ Oct 1-2, 2005 ~ http://www.cqp.org/ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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