K3/0 to K3/100 twin issue at K6LRG
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K3/0 to K3/100 twin issue at K6LRG
 
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Greetings all-
We are testing a configuration of a K3/0 > K3/100 twin setup. the K3/0 is in the qth, the K3/100 is at K6LRG with appropriate internet connections and port throughs on both locations. We have been able (thanks in particular to a great deal of help from N6ML) to get the system working great in cw mode including remote contest keying from N1MM. As an afterthought(hi.. well actually we have another op who will need this as the primary mode of use) I switched over to ssb to test. Recieve audio is perfect. I hooked a foot swith up to the front panel of the K3/0 and when I key the foot switch, the K3/0 display switches to cw mode and no output is produced from the k3. I can ovbserve the remote k3 and see that it is not keying up nor does it seem to be switching to cw mode that I can see. I can see that both vfo's are in ssb mode, and that the K3 is not in split mode or anything like that. Looking for some suggestions from the elecraft brain trust on this one... Anyone have any ideas? software glitch? methodology error? any others out on the reflector doing some K3/) remoting? What an awesome solution, I think we are very close to being able to utilize this for remote contesting! hoping to solve some of these minor last details and would greatly appreciate any input! thanks in advance! Chris N6WM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3/0 to K3/100 twin issue at K6LRG
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On 12/17/2012 9:12 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
> Looking for some suggestions from the elecraft brain trust on this one Check the setup of N1MM -- the Mode tab, I think it's called. Depending on which box is checked, it can put the radio in the wrong mode. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3/0 to K3/100 twin issue at K6LRG
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Jim.. This was not exactly the issue, but it was enough to point me in the right direction. This was an issue with N1MM, not the mode control but also a combination of N1MM, the Remote Rig and the keying methodology leveraging the remote rigs virtual com ports.. settings that appear to stick with the remote rig untill its restarted despite shutting down N1MM so a little tricky to work through. Anyway the short of the story is that it was an N1MM/Remote rig combination issue. I think we will be able to figure it out from here.
thanks to all who responded, and thanks Jim for offering the clue. This is very exciting and looking forward to essentially being back on the air from the Home QTH! ~Chris N6WM -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 11:28 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 to K3/100 twin issue at K6LRG On 12/17/2012 9:12 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote: > Looking for some suggestions from the elecraft brain trust on this one Check the setup of N1MM -- the Mode tab, I think it's called. Depending on which box is checked, it can put the radio in the wrong mode. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I am having this problem right now. Front panel PTT activation switches the mode to cw from USB on the local radio only. Front panel XMIT button does not do this. I don't have any computer (logging program) attached on either end.
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The 4-wire AH4 connection doesn't PTT key the amp. It has 12v, ground, Start, which is a signal from the Icom to the tuner that is asserted when you press the Icom tune button, and ah4 key, which is asserted by the tuner when it needs a tune level signal from the Icom. The amp needs a separate PTT key line from the Icom RCA connector to the kat500, and another RCA cable from kat500 to amp. The AH4 Key line is distinct from exciter to amp PTT and although both have key in their names, they have different purposes. One of our diagrams in the owners manual may have omitted the RCA keying cables. A manual revision is in the works. 73 de Dick, K6KR Thanks for the info Dick. The use of the word KEY in the Icom description of pin 1 was confusing me. Your explanation makes this much clearer now. I also got a reply on this offlist and was told they got their 7100 KAP500/KAT500 setup working with the interface explained in the IC-7100 advanced instruction manual page 2-11. In addition to wiring the PTT OUT circuit, you also must configure H-SEND in the SET CONNECTIONS menu (page 17-26). Also found on page 19-11 is a simple mod to output the band information. I'm not sure how this would be used with the Elecraft pair without building another cable. We will look into this later, unless someone has tried already. So I think we can say the Icom transcerivers with AH-4 ATU interface description on page 8, and figure 3 in the the KAT500 tuner manual would be in error if all Icom AH-4 interfaces are the same ? 73 Jeff kb2m ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3/0 to K3/100 twin issue at K6LRG - mode switches usb to cw
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In reply to this post by W0CP
As far as I have been able to tell, this is an issue of the data display on the K3/0. I have been using the system heavily in all modes of late, in fact I have been remoting K6LRG as my primary station.
The K3 side is fine. it does not switch to cw mode. the symptop is that it just displays the wrong mode on tx on the K3/0 during ssb ptt. my K3 ssb performance is unaffected by this and the actual functional performance of the k3/0 is fine.. I have not been able to figure out why it does this yet.. some data bit getting scrambled in the rrc.. or whatever, but functionally all works ok. There are a number of different RRC firmwares out there and of course K3 & K3/0 firmware updates.. etc. perhaps there is a magic combo that makes it stop.. have not found it yet though. would be nice to know... ________________________________________ From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Walt W0CP [[hidden email]] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 8:36 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 to K3/100 twin issue at K6LRG - mode switches usb to cw I am having this problem right now. Front panel PTT activation switches the mode to cw from USB on the local radio only. Front panel XMIT button does not do this. I don't have any computer (logging program) attached on either end. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-to-K3-100-twin-issue-at-K6LRG-tp7567299p7580482.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6786 - Release Date: 10/27/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Thanks for the info, Chris. In this case, I think it is actually switching to cw mode since it won't modulate with a mike that works just fine on the k3. I'm new to this, so I'll do some more digging and see what I can find out. 73, Walt W0CP
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In reply to this post by Jeff kb2m
I got a chuckle out of this. After trying to figure out how to hook up the
AMP to the 7100 I must have been having a senior moment. I built the interface described in the Icom manual and thought I can't believe I never had to do this before as I owned several Icom HF transceivers over the years. After getting it up and running I later visited my other home where I have all my radio spare parts, junk, etc, I went through the interface cable junk box and found *TWO* complete working 13 pin to ALC, and PTT cables. What is scary is I don't remember building them or ever using them. I'm turning 65 in a few days, please this is not going to get worse :-) 73 Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 1:49 PM To: Walt W0CP Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom 7100 and KAT500/KPA500 PTT issues The 4-wire AH4 connection doesn't PTT key the amp. It has 12v, ground, Start, which is a signal from the Icom to the tuner that is asserted when you press the Icom tune button, and ah4 key, which is asserted by the tuner when it needs a tune level signal from the Icom. The amp needs a separate PTT key line from the Icom RCA connector to the kat500, and another RCA cable from kat500 to amp. The AH4 Key line is distinct from exciter to amp PTT and although both have key in their names, they have different purposes. One of our diagrams in the owners manual may have omitted the RCA keying cables. A manual revision is in the works. 73 de Dick, K6KR Thanks for the info Dick. The use of the word KEY in the Icom description of pin 1 was confusing me. Your explanation makes this much clearer now. I also got a reply on this offlist and was told they got their 7100 KAP500/KAT500 setup working with the interface explained in the IC-7100 advanced instruction manual page 2-11. In addition to wiring the PTT OUT circuit, you also must configure H-SEND in the SET CONNECTIONS menu (page 17-26). Also found on page 19-11 is a simple mod to output the band information. I'm not sure how this would be used with the Elecraft pair without building another cable. We will look into this later, unless someone has tried already. So I think we can say the Icom transcerivers with AH-4 ATU interface description on page 8, and figure 3 in the the KAT500 tuner manual would be in error if all Icom AH-4 interfaces are the same ? 73 Jeff kb2m ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Sadly, the odds are fairly high that it will, Jeff. :-)) And, 65 will
be the last "money" birthday [Medicare]. It's all downhill from there. 73, Fred K6DGW [73] - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 - www.cqp.org On 11/8/2013 9:19 AM, Jeff Griffin wrote: > What is scary is I don't remember building them or ever using them. I'm > turning 65 in a few days, please this is not going to get worse :-) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by W0CP
After more testing, I see that, as stated previously, this is a display problem. When in ssb mode and pressing PTT I am modulating the k3 even though the k3/0 diplays cw mode.
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Re: K3/0 to K3/100 twin issue at K6LRG - mode switches usb to cw
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Yes I figured thats what was going on.. its a bit of an annoyance and would be great to get a clear solution on it, but performance is ok despite the incorrect display switch on the K3/0. If anyone resolves this please send a shout out to the reflector with the correction steps.
glad to hear you are up and running! Chris N6WM ________________________________________ From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Walt W0CP [[hidden email]] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:49 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 to K3/100 twin issue at K6LRG - mode switches usb to cw After more testing, I see that, as stated previously, this is a display problem. When in ssb mode and pressing PTT I am modulating the k3 even though the k3/0 diplays cw mode. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-to-K3-100-twin-issue-at-K6LRG-tp7567299p7580648.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6786 - Release Date: 10/27/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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