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K3 #107

JACrux
Great radio, just one minor problem, no SSB, no VOX response to yelling.. When
first I tried it very briefly (ages ago) it definitely worked. Since then I
have only used CW ....
So what could have gone wrong ???   I have always used the Elecraft Heil Pro
Set and the phones work just fine. The mike is plugged into the adapter that
came with the Pro Set. The latest software says the mike is still set to
f.Pl, not to r.Pl.
I can play with the gain, the compression etc but nothing happens when I yell.
Antivox is set at  0; VOX gain makes no difference. Other settings seem
perfectly OK and nothing changes if I play with them.
So what have I done wrong ...... there must be something I  missed.
Oh well, there is always my Omni-V .....that has its own mike.
John - G3JAG
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RE: K3 #107

Don Nesbitt
The Elecraft Heil ProSet requires that "Bias" be turned on.  For use on the
front panel, your mic setting should read "FP.L bIAS" - use the "REV" (has
the red number 2 under it" to turn bias on.  73 -- Don N4HH K3 #83

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 #107

Great radio, just one minor problem, no SSB, no VOX response to yelling..
When
first I tried it very briefly (ages ago) it definitely worked. Since then I
have only used CW ....
So what could have gone wrong ???   I have always used the Elecraft Heil Pro

Set and the phones work just fine. The mike is plugged into the adapter that

came with the Pro Set. The latest software says the mike is still set to
f.Pl, not to r.Pl.
I can play with the gain, the compression etc but nothing happens when I
yell.
Antivox is set at  0; VOX gain makes no difference. Other settings seem
perfectly OK and nothing changes if I play with them.
So what have I done wrong ...... there must be something I  missed.
Oh well, there is always my Omni-V .....that has its own mike.
John - G3JAG
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RE: K3 #107

Dick Dievendorff
I'm not sure that all Heil ProSets are the same here.

I know that the Proset K2 sold by Elecraft requires bias.

However I wouldn't think other Heil Prosets that use the HC-4 and HC-5
element would require bias.

Dick, K6KR




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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 #107

The Elecraft Heil ProSet requires that "Bias" be turned on.  For use on the
front panel, your mic setting should read "FP.L bIAS" - use the "REV" (has
the red number 2 under it" to turn bias on.  73 -- Don N4HH K3 #83

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Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:29 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 #107

Great radio, just one minor problem, no SSB, no VOX response to yelling..
When
first I tried it very briefly (ages ago) it definitely worked. Since then I
have only used CW ....
So what could have gone wrong ???   I have always used the Elecraft Heil Pro

Set and the phones work just fine. The mike is plugged into the adapter that

came with the Pro Set. The latest software says the mike is still set to
f.Pl, not to r.Pl.
I can play with the gain, the compression etc but nothing happens when I
yell.
Antivox is set at  0; VOX gain makes no difference. Other settings seem
perfectly OK and nothing changes if I play with them.
So what have I done wrong ...... there must be something I  missed.
Oh well, there is always my Omni-V .....that has its own mike.
John - G3JAG
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RE: K3 #107

Don Nesbitt
All Heil ProSets are indeed NOT the same!  The one specific to Elecraft used
(not sure if it is still being marketed or is still otherwise available -
don't see it listed on the Elecraft site or on the Heil site) an "electret"
element and mine is actually labeled on the side with "IC" indicating that
it was actually for ICOM.  The "dongle" provides the proper pinout for use
on either my K2 (wired straight across - as for Kenwood) or my K3.  As
usual, YMMV Don N4HH

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Dievendorff [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 5:19 PM
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 #107

I'm not sure that all Heil ProSets are the same here.

I know that the Proset K2 sold by Elecraft requires bias.

However I wouldn't think other Heil Prosets that use the HC-4 and HC-5
element would require bias.

Dick, K6KR




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From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Nesbitt
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:57 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 #107

The Elecraft Heil ProSet requires that "Bias" be turned on.  For use on the
front panel, your mic setting should read "FP.L bIAS" - use the "REV" (has
the red number 2 under it" to turn bias on.  73 -- Don N4HH K3 #83

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of jac
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:29 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 #107

Great radio, just one minor problem, no SSB, no VOX response to yelling..
When
first I tried it very briefly (ages ago) it definitely worked. Since then I
have only used CW ....
So what could have gone wrong ???   I have always used the Elecraft Heil Pro

Set and the phones work just fine. The mike is plugged into the adapter that

came with the Pro Set. The latest software says the mike is still set to
f.Pl, not to r.Pl.
I can play with the gain, the compression etc but nothing happens when I
yell.
Antivox is set at  0; VOX gain makes no difference. Other settings seem
perfectly OK and nothing changes if I play with them.
So what have I done wrong ...... there must be something I  missed.
Oh well, there is always my Omni-V .....that has its own mike.
John - G3JAG
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RE: K3 #107

Don Nesbitt
Geeze - I'll have to put my glasses on the next time I search.  Took another
look and it is still listed for both the K2 and K3 at $150 on the Elecraft
order page. See:  http://www.elecraft.com/MD2/proset.htm -- Don N4HH

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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 #107

All Heil ProSets are indeed NOT the same!  The one specific to Elecraft used
(not sure if it is still being marketed or is still otherwise available -
don't see it listed on the Elecraft site or on the Heil site) an "electret"
element and mine is actually labeled on the side with "IC" indicating that
it was actually for ICOM.  The "dongle" provides the proper pinout for use
on either my K2 (wired straight across - as for Kenwood) or my K3.  As
usual, YMMV Don N4HH

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Dievendorff [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 5:19 PM
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 #107

I'm not sure that all Heil ProSets are the same here.

I know that the Proset K2 sold by Elecraft requires bias.

However I wouldn't think other Heil Prosets that use the HC-4 and HC-5
element would require bias.

Dick, K6KR




-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Nesbitt
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:57 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 #107

The Elecraft Heil ProSet requires that "Bias" be turned on.  For use on the
front panel, your mic setting should read "FP.L bIAS" - use the "REV" (has
the red number 2 under it" to turn bias on.  73 -- Don N4HH K3 #83

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of jac
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:29 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 #107

Great radio, just one minor problem, no SSB, no VOX response to yelling..
When
first I tried it very briefly (ages ago) it definitely worked. Since then I
have only used CW ....
So what could have gone wrong ???   I have always used the Elecraft Heil Pro

Set and the phones work just fine. The mike is plugged into the adapter that

came with the Pro Set. The latest software says the mike is still set to
f.Pl, not to r.Pl.
I can play with the gain, the compression etc but nothing happens when I
yell.
Antivox is set at  0; VOX gain makes no difference. Other settings seem
perfectly OK and nothing changes if I play with them.
So what have I done wrong ...... there must be something I  missed.
Oh well, there is always my Omni-V .....that has its own mike.
John - G3JAG
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Re: K3 #107

N5GE
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On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:18:58 -0700, "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>I'm not sure that all Heil ProSets are the same here.
>
>I know that the Proset K2 sold by Elecraft requires bias.
>
>However I wouldn't think other Heil Prosets that use the HC-4 and HC-5
>element would require bias.
>
>Dick, K6KR
>
[snip]

I have an older HEIL Proset Plus! I bought in the late 90's.

It does not require bias, although using bias will not harm it.  HEIL has a
resistor in the mic to protect it from bias.

The mic has an eight pin adapter for the Kenwood rigs, but I don't use it.  you
can just remove it and plug the mono mic plug into the mono mike jack in the
back of the K3.  You can also plug the phones into the rear panel using an
adapter to reduce the size of the stereo plug.  If you remove the cable adapter
you will have use a foot switch for PTT when you don't want to use VOX.

It works great.  Thank you Elecraft for letting me keep my old headset mic :O)

73,

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K3 - wrong mic wiring?

hf4me
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I am becoming very concerned about connecting my "Kenwood" original Goldline
(HC-5 and "Full-Range") and my full cover Heil headset (same vintage also
wired Kenwood) with the HC-4 to my K3 (when I get it).

Is the "standard" wiring connection for the mic on the K3 the same as the
Kenwood?

Do I need "bias"?

What gets burned up if I get it wrong?

Thanks es 73, de Jim KG0KP

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> All Heil ProSets are indeed NOT the same!  The one specific to Elecraft
used
> (not sure if it is still being marketed or is still otherwise available -
> don't see it listed on the Elecraft site or on the Heil site) an
"electret"
> element and mine is actually labeled on the side with "IC" indicating that
> it was actually for ICOM.  The "dongle" provides the proper pinout for use
> on either my K2 (wired straight across - as for Kenwood) or my K3.  As
> usual, YMMV Don N4HH
>

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Re: K3 - wrong mic wiring?

KK7P
> I am becoming very concerned about connecting my "Kenwood" original Goldline
> (HC-5 and "Full-Range") ...

Don't be concerned. I use the Heil Goldline GM-5 with my K3.  Mine came
with a non-Kenwood radio adapter cable, so I made my own with an 8-pin
Foster connector and an XLR connector.

> Is the "standard" wiring connection for the mic on the K3 the same as the
> Kenwood?

The only signals the K3 uses with this mic are PTT, common and mic
audio.  These pins are consistent with Kenwood 8-pin mic wiring, such as
on a TS-850S.

The complete pinout used in the K3 is on the web site in the FAQ.

> Do I need "bias"?

No.  Turn it off.

> What gets burned up if I get it wrong?

Nothing.  You just get distorted and/or weak transmit audio.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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