K3 2nd run priority via-a-vis deposit

[DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL]

I ordered my first K3 at Dayton 2007 and I was certainly under the
very clear impression that those who placed a deposit would be given
priority over those who did not.  I happened to pay in full.

Yes, it does seem that the rules changed somewhere in mid-stream (an
unannounced change).  I know that I am not the only one who felt this
way because others who ordered at Dayton and did not place a deposit
felt that having to wait until the "end of the run" was fine with
them.

I suppose that this entire concept never made a whole lot of sense to
me because "why should Run #1 guys w/o a deposit receive priority over
Run #2 guys who did include a desposit?"  Now I know why I was
confused about that "logic"....because those of us ordered at Dayton
were operating under an incorrect pretense.

de Doug KR2Q
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[Thom LaCosta]

At 09:34 AM 11/28/2007, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:

>I suppose that this entire concept never made a whole lot of sense to
>me because "why should Run #1 guys w/o a deposit receive priority over
>Run #2 guys who did include a desposit?"  Now I know why I was
>confused about that "logic"....because those of us ordered at Dayton
>were operating under an incorrect pretense.

One would think that folks who laid out money, as an insurance for delivery,
as a way to have their units sooner, or heavens forbid, actually feel that they
supported the manufacturer by sending money first, would receive some priority
over folks who simply wave their hands and say "I want one too!".

73,
Thom - k3hrn
It takes real skill to grab the brass ring if it's a moving target.

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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

Hi Doug,

We were taking great pains -not- to give this impression at Dayton,
since we were already into the 2nd run. I apologize if there was
confusion on this issue.

I am very clear on this and made sure we kept everyone informed of what
we were doing. Prior to Dayton we had already changed the web order form
to reflect this change and we had also noted from the first day of
orders that deposit priority for low serial numbers -only- applied to
the first run numerous times on the reflector.

We absolutely did not want to penalize those who ordered during the
first run without deposits. If we had continued moving later orders with
deposits (received after the first run was full around May 14th) ahead
of the earlier orders received -without- deposits, those early
deposit-less orders would have been bumped well into next year. Not a
fair thing for those people. Basically we took orders, both with and
without deposits, until we filled the first production run. At that
point we set up that groups to ship first from the deposit group and
then from the non-deposit group. After that, all orders will be shipped
in order received.

A side note - All deposits are always refundable (though we take a 3%
hit from the CC company on each one.) We will gladly refund a deposit to
anyone who asks.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
(Now back to testing and packing K3s!  :-)
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DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:

> I ordered my first K3 at Dayton 2007 and I was certainly under the
> very clear impression that those who placed a deposit would be given
> priority over those who did not.  I happened to pay in full.
>
> Yes, it does seem that the rules changed somewhere in mid-stream (an
> unannounced change).  I know that I am not the only one who felt this
> way because others who ordered at Dayton and did not place a deposit
> felt that having to wait until the "end of the run" was fine with
> them.
>
> I suppose that this entire concept never made a whole lot of sense to
> me because "why should Run #1 guys w/o a deposit receive priority over
> Run #2 guys who did include a desposit?"  Now I know why I was
> confused about that "logic"....because those of us ordered at Dayton
> were operating under an incorrect pretense.
>  

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[Mike B-12]

This had always been my understanding of the system.  I'm in the 2nd run, and
didn't put in a deposit at that time because, 1) I knew I wouldn't get the rig
any faster, and 2) I just wanted to hang onto my money for a little longer ;-)

I think a lot of the problem has been too many posters early on stating their
misimpressions as facts about the ordering process.  These fallacies just
continued to grow over time, taking on a life of their own.

Last week, we just saw how one email was misinterpreted by several here as
showing a rig had been shipped out of order.  Tempers & emails flew, when there
was no need for it.  I trust Wayne, Eric & the crew to make the finest rigs for
 the money, and in nearly 10 years, I've come to trust their business practices
as well.  They & their crew will do their best to get the rigs out the door as
quickly as possible, as close to order priority as possible.

While everyone would like the K3s to be moving out the door faster (including
everyone at Elecraft, I'm sure), continued public complaining about the
unchangeable process does no one any good.

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> We were taking great pains -not- to give this impression at Dayton,
> since we were already into the 2nd run. I apologize if there was
> confusion on this issue.
>
> I am very clear on this and made sure we kept everyone informed of what
> we were doing. Prior to Dayton we had already changed the web order form
> to reflect this change and we had also noted from the first day of
> orders that deposit priority for low serial numbers -only- applied to
> the first run numerous times on the reflector.

73,

Mike
KW1ND
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[oe9fwv]

hi Eric,

On 28 Nov 2007 at 15:37, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> A side note - All deposits are always refundable (though we take a 3%
> hit from the CC company on each one.) We will gladly refund a deposit
> to anyone who asks.

I have the opposite question.
I am in the third run. (delivery estimated somewhere in the first quarter of
2008 I think)

I have made the 50% deposit. I'd like to make the full deposit now.
(christmas is coming and I am so happy with my K2 + KPA100 working now
that I am in a generous mood ;-)

how do we arrange this?

73! de Werner
OE9FWV

 


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[George Cortez Jr]

Hi All
Is this an indication that the production runs are 100 units at a clip?

George NE2I


>> We were taking great pains -not- to give this impression at Dayton,
>> since we were already into the 2nd run. I apologize if there was
>> confusion on this issue.
>>
>>    

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