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Well, you guys are obviously having way too much fun,
so I caved in. I recently committed $3K for a 3K, and I suspect Ill not see it for some time. I dont own any Elecraft products, nor have I ever built an Elecraft product. Ive never seen one, held one, or heard one to the best of my knowledge. I also make it a habit of never, ever buying a new transceiver until it has been out for a few years. So why would a reasonably sane and economically conservative person such as myself, do something so out of character? For me, its not all about the product. Its about the Elecraft team, and how they run their business. It has to do with the passion they exhibit for what they do, the integrity with which they execute their enterprise, and the collaborative quality of their customers experience. I own transceivers from the big three offshore manufacturers Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu. I like what I have, but I might as well have purchased them from a vending machine. Firmware-upgradeable radios (forget about hardware-upgradeable) are fine in theory, as long as the feedback loop from customer experience results in meaningful and measurable product improvements, implemented in a timely manner to the customers satisfaction. I believe that is what Elecraft is accomplishing. As good as the K3 apparently is now, I am pleased that Elecraft is not completely satisfied with the K3 product development yet. That attitude speaks volumes about my future experience with this radio, and was a significant aspect of my buying decision. As an Elecraft customer outsider, I have watched their growth and performance, and have spent quite some time reading reviews of their products, and I especially pay attention to the postings from this reflector, but I must say it is getting quite tiresome of late. It is easy to get caught up in the issues du jour, but is it always wise or beneficial? I suspect there are those who are just not comfortable in the dynamic, collaborative customer experience that Elecraft has generously and openly fitted into their (proprietary) business planning. What a breath of fresh air these guys are! And finally, I apologize for this one-time, non-technical post. I look here only for that which addresses technical or operability aspects of these products, and as such, will refrain from posting anything that strays from that goal in the future. Im looking forward to jumping back in here when my K3 arrives. In the meantime, those K1/K2 kits are looking pretty good. 73 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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You hit the nail on the head Walter! You're buying more than a product...you're buying part of a company named Elecraft. I had to chuckle when I saw the following on the IC-7800 list: VA7OJ: "One cannot really compare the Elecraft and Icom R&D operations in any meaningful way. In the test-equipment world, Wavetek vs. HP/Agilent or R&S might be a reasonable comparison." Forgetting the supercilious tone, I have news for Adam. Indeed you cannot compare the operations in any meaningful way. The customer responsiveness of the Elecraft team is about 100 dB better than Icom will ever be. I have the privilege of being on the K3 Field Test team and their engineering talent and responsiveness is even more awesome than you can imagine. I've seen fixes to fairly complex issues implemented in a matter of hours (the hardware AGC issue comes to mind). There truly is no comparison to the customer focus and responsiveness of the two companies. The most recent question from Wayne on this list regarding the K3's I/II function being a very good example. I don't recall ever seeing any request for direct customer input from l'Icom. I wonder if Adam has ever head the story of his namesake and Goliath? I've also had the privilege of working for Hewlett-Packard (Test & Measurement side) for ~30 years. Elecraft very much reminds me of the passionate company under Bill and Dave that I joined in 1966. That $200M company then grew to well over $100B today, so small companies sometimes do become larger ones under good leadership. Elecraft is totally focused on amateur radio...not the LMR market, not cellphones, not audio equipment. Speaking as a ham, that's a very good thing! It's also one of the major reasons we're seeing American companies (Elecraft, Flex-Radio and Ten-Tec) now dominating the performance charts over larger companies focused on many other markets. Goliath better wake up before it's too late! Welcome to the K3, the company and the community here. 73, Bill W4ZV |
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Bill... not that it makes any real difference to the point you were
making.... but it's David and Goliath. Anyway, I have a K3 on order for all the reasons you gave and at least one more.... I've been under the impression that Elecraft's products are "made in the USA". But some comments here on the reflector have made me wonder how true that is... do you happen to know? 73, Jerry K3BZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order Walter Gilles wrote: > > > Its about the Elecraft team, and how they run their > business. It has to do with the passion they exhibit > for what they do, the integrity with which they > execute their enterprise, and the collaborative > quality of their customers experience. > > I own transceivers from the big three offshore > manufacturers Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu. I like what > I have, but I might as well have purchased them from a > vending machine. > > You hit the nail on the head Walter! You're buying more than a product...you're buying part of a company named Elecraft. I had to chuckle when I saw the following on the IC-7800 list: VA7OJ: "One cannot really compare the Elecraft and Icom R&D operations in any meaningful way. In the test-equipment world, Wavetek vs. HP/Agilent or R&S might be a reasonable comparison." Forgetting the supercilious tone, I have news for Adam. Indeed you cannot compare the operations in any meaningful way. The customer responsiveness of the Elecraft team is about 100 dB better than Icom will ever be. I have the privilege of being on the K3 Field Test team and their engineering talent and responsiveness is even more awesome than you can imagine. I've seen fixes to fairly complex issues implemented in a matter of hours (the hardware AGC issue comes to mind). There truly is no comparison to the customer focus and responsiveness of the two companies. The most recent question from Wayne on this list regarding the K3's I/II function being a very good example. I don't recall ever seeing any request for direct customer input from l'Icom. I wonder if Adam has ever head the story of his namesake and Goliath? I've also had the privilege of working for Hewlett-Packard (Test & Measurement side) for ~30 years. Elecraft very much reminds me of the passionate company under Bill and Dave that I joined in 1966. That $200M company then grew to well over $100B today, so small companies sometimes do become larger ones under good leadership. Elecraft is totally focused on amateur radio...not the LMR market, not cellphones, not audio equipment. Speaking as a ham, that's a very good thing! It's also one of the major reasons we're seeing American companies (Elecraft, Flex-Radio and Ten-Tec) now dominating the performance charts over larger companies focused on many other markets. Goliath better wake up before it's too late! Welcome to the K3, the company and the community here. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3---Another-one-on-order-tp15772658p15773224.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Oops...wrong Icom zealot...thinking of KY1V. :-) 73, Bill |
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Hi Jerry,
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Jerry Keller (K3BZ) <[hidden email]> wrote: > Bill... not that it makes any real difference to the point you were > making.... but it's David and Goliath. Yes, too early and I corrected that...was thinking of David KY1V. Anyway, I have a K3 on order for all > the reasons you gave and at least one more.... I've been under the > impression that Elecraft's products are "made in the USA". But some > comments here on the reflector have made me wonder how true that is... do > you happen to know? Since most Elecraft products are kits, they are actually "made" everywhere (by the kit builder). If you mean the components inside them, I'm sure they're sourced from many places. It would be very difficult to find parts if you stipulated that all must come from the USA. I've been on the list since I built a K2 about 4 years ago but haven't noticed many comments about this...maybe I just wasn't paying attention. I'm fairly sure Elecraft does all final test and assembly of the K3 in Aptos, outsources SMD board-stuffing (not sure to whom) and the components come from everywhere. What matters most to me is where the products are designed (i.e. the real value-added in today's world). I believe the 3 American companies (Elecraft, Flex and Ten-Tec) have the business model of the future (which may apply to many other areas besides ham radio): 1. Distribute directly instead of via distributors...thereby saving significant costs (somewhat like Dell did with PCs). 2. Make heavy use of the Internet as a tool for customer feedback, firmware updates, building customer loyalty, etc. 3. Listen to customers intently and respond promptly (this is the real key to success IMHO). 4. Enable other companies to facilitate your own success. N8LP's LP-PAN and VE3NEA's CW Skimmer are going to have a **huge** impact on the success of the K3. I truly doubt that the Big-3 have the slightest comprehension of the impact this may have in strengthening the K3's success in the marketplace. It's a very simple but powerful model that the Big-3 have yet to figure out...probably influenced by their language barrier. By the time they figure it out, the world may have vastly changed on them. 73, Bill W4ZV P.S. Copying to the list since others might have comments. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Thanks, Bill.... When you get down to the component level.... or even the
board level.... I'm sure much has to sourced offshore. Even if we could afford what Elecraft would have to pay for onshore labor costs to build those boards, I doubt that the skills are adequately available here anymore. So of course I meant the the final assembly of the "factory assembled" K3 units. I'm glad to hear it's all done in California. (And as kits, in home workshops around the globe) I don't think it's a "language barrier" that keeps the Big 3 from taking an accurate pulse of the amateur community... at least not in this country. Nowadays they each have plenty of English speakers in their management. But do they have real hams doing their design work? Do they have real hams getting real-time feedback from the users? Probably not so much. As you point out, that is what makes Elecraft really special.... we knows 'em, and they is us. 73, Jerry K3BZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tippett" <[hidden email]> To: "Jerry Keller (K3BZ)" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order > Hi Jerry, > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Jerry Keller (K3BZ) <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Bill... not that it makes any real difference to the point you were >> making.... but it's David and Goliath. > > Yes, too early and I corrected that...was thinking of David KY1V. > > Anyway, I have a K3 on order for all >> the reasons you gave and at least one more.... I've been under the >> impression that Elecraft's products are "made in the USA". But some >> comments here on the reflector have made me wonder how true that is... >> do >> you happen to know? > > Since most Elecraft products are kits, they are actually "made" > everywhere (by the kit builder). If you mean the components inside > them, I'm sure they're sourced from many places. It would be very > difficult to find parts if you stipulated that all must come from the > USA. I've been on the list since I built a K2 about 4 years ago but > haven't noticed many comments about this...maybe I just wasn't paying > attention. I'm fairly sure Elecraft does all final test and assembly > of the K3 in Aptos, outsources SMD board-stuffing (not sure to whom) > and the components come from everywhere. What matters most to me is > where the products are designed (i.e. the real value-added in today's > world). > > I believe the 3 American companies (Elecraft, Flex and Ten-Tec) have > the business model of the future (which may apply to many other areas > besides ham radio): > > 1. Distribute directly instead of via distributors...thereby saving > significant costs (somewhat like Dell did with PCs). > > 2. Make heavy use of the Internet as a tool for customer feedback, > firmware updates, building customer loyalty, etc. > > 3. Listen to customers intently and respond promptly (this is the > real key to success IMHO). > > 4. Enable other companies to facilitate your own success. N8LP's > LP-PAN and VE3NEA's CW Skimmer are going to have a **huge** impact on > the success of the K3. I truly doubt that the Big-3 have the > slightest comprehension of the impact this may have in strengthening > the K3's success in the marketplace. > > It's a very simple but powerful model that the Big-3 have yet to > figure out...probably influenced by their language barrier. By the > time they figure it out, the world may have vastly changed on them. > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > P.S. Copying to the list since others might have comments. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Jerry Keller (K3BZ) <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't think it's a "language barrier" that keeps the Big 3 from taking an > accurate pulse of the amateur community... at least not in this country. > Nowadays they each have plenty of English speakers in their management. But > do they have real hams doing their design work? Do they have real hams > getting real-time feedback from the users? Probably not so much. As you > point out, that is what makes Elecraft really special.... we knows 'em, and > they is us. Sadly I think it's more than that. I believe it's more a case of the "big company" syndrome. Customer feedback gets lost in the process. My personal example is Yaesu and the infamous FT-1000 family's key clicks. I spoke to Chip K7JA who was then their main USA contact many times about this issue. I'm sure Chip understood what I was saying and I'm sure he tried to communicate with Japan. Yet it took no less than 15 years (!) for Yaesu to implement the fix in production. Why???? Elecraft would have done it in a matter of hours! The really strange thing to me is that most Japanese companies are zealous practitioners of Deming, kaizen, etc all of which stress the importance of meeting customer needs and applying that to continuous process improvement. Something was badly broken inside the Yaesu company somewhere. I'll leave you with a favorite quote from Wayne N6KR...it's paraphrased since I can't find the exact reference: "It's possible for engineers to understand customers' comments and ignore them...except around here." This is truly what sets the company apart and ahead of all others. 73, Bill W4ZV _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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We absolutely make K3s in the U.S. (In Aptos and Monterey, CA.)
We do not plan on taking K3 manufacturing off shore. Period. We are well below the capacity of our current line and it is increasing output each month. :-) Off-shoring the K3 would -not- significantly reduce our costs in the relatively low monthly volumes needed for the HF amateur market. (We're nowhere near plasma TV or other consumer volumes.) Our raw parts already come from all over the world and are bought in volume. It would introduce a huge risk for quality control and would way overload our resources bringing up a new off shore line, which can take 6 to 18 months to get fully rolling.. (I've been there in one of my previous Silicon Valley lives. :-) Keeping manufacturing close allows us to be tightly focused, react quickly and keep our quality high. Much like the immediate (and sometimes overwhelming ;-) feedback we get from the Elecraft list. 73, Eric WA6HHQ _..._ -----Original Message----- From: "Jerry Keller (K3BZ)" <[hidden email]> Date: Saturday, Mar 1, 2008 4:48 am Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order To: "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]>, <[hidden email]> Bill... not that it makes any real difference to the point you were making.... but it's David and Goliath. Anyway, I have a K3 on order for all the reasons you gave and at least one more.... I've been under the impression that Elecraft's products are "made in the USA". But some comments here on the reflector have made me wonder how true that is... do you happen to know? 73, Jerry K3BZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order Walter Gilles wrote: > ItÂs about the Elecraft team, and how they run their business. It has to do with the passion they exhibit for what they do, the integrity with which they execute their enterprise, and the collaborative quality of their customers experience. > I own transceivers from the big three offshore manufacturers  Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu. I like what I have, but I might as well have purchased them from a vending machine. > You hit the nail on the head Walter! You're buying more than a product...you're buying part of a company named Elecraft. I had to chuckle when I saw the following on the IC-7800 list: VA7OJ: "One cannot really compare the Elecraft and Icom R&D operations in any meaningful way. In the test-equipment world, Wavetek vs. HP/Agilent or R&S might be a reasonable comparison." Forgetting the supercilious tone, I have news for Adam. Indeed you cannot compare the operations in any meaningful way. The customer responsiveness of the Elecraft team is about 100 dB better than Icom will ever be. I have the privilege of being on the K3 Field Test team and their engineering talent and responsiveness is even more awesome than you can imagine. I've seen fixes to fairly complex issues implemented in a matter of hours (the hardware AGC issue comes to mind). There truly is no comparison to the customer focus and responsiveness of the two companies. The most recent question from Wayne on this list regarding the K3's I/II function being a very good example. I don't recall ever seeing any request for direct customer input from l'Icom. I wonder if Adam has ever head the story of his namesake and Goliath? I've also had the privilege of working for Hewlett-Packard (Test & Measurement side) for ~30 years. Elecraft very much reminds me of the passionate company under Bill and _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Well, Chip is certainly a "real ham", but obviously nobody in a decision
making capacity was listening to him. But the same is true to one extent or another with ICOM and Kenwood. Too many layers of management that aren't real hams and have other agenda. They send suits to Dayton but I don't see a lot of callsigns. Elecraft has real hams at the top, customers can talk directly to them, and ham radio is their only business. I'm thankful they also seem to have a good grasp of quality principles. By the way, look where Chip is now....8^) 73, Jerry K3BZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tippett" <[hidden email]> To: "Jerry Keller (K3BZ)" <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Jerry Keller (K3BZ) <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> I don't think it's a "language barrier" that keeps the Big 3 from taking >> an >> accurate pulse of the amateur community... at least not in this country. >> Nowadays they each have plenty of English speakers in their management. >> But >> do they have real hams doing their design work? Do they have real hams >> getting real-time feedback from the users? Probably not so much. As you >> point out, that is what makes Elecraft really special.... we knows 'em, >> and >> they is us. > > Sadly I think it's more than that. I believe it's more > a case of the "big company" syndrome. Customer feedback > gets lost in the process. My personal example is Yaesu and > the infamous FT-1000 family's key clicks. I spoke to Chip K7JA > who was then their main USA contact many times about this issue. > I'm sure Chip understood what I was saying and I'm sure he tried > to communicate with Japan. Yet it took no less than 15 years (!) > for Yaesu to implement the fix in production. Why???? Elecraft > would have done it in a matter of hours! > > The really strange thing to me is that most Japanese > companies are zealous practitioners of Deming, kaizen, etc > all of which stress the importance of meeting customer needs > and applying that to continuous process improvement. Something > was badly broken inside the Yaesu company somewhere. > > I'll leave you with a favorite quote from Wayne N6KR...it's > paraphrased since I can't find the exact reference: > > "It's possible for engineers to understand customers' comments > and ignore them...except around here." > > This is truly what sets the company apart and ahead of all others. > > 73, Bill W4ZV _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Jerry, > Thanks, Bill.... When you get down to the component level.... > or even the board level.... I'm sure much has to sourced > offshore. When you are talking about board level contract manufacturing, the costs for "on shore" vs. "off shore" are nearly identical. Since the equipment is the same regardless of location and automated manufacturing requires so little unskilled labor the only real cost advantage off shore is real estate lower environmental standards which are generally lost doe to the significantly higher transportation and logistics costs. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jerry > Keller (K3BZ) > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:31 AM > To: Bill Tippett; [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order > > > Thanks, Bill.... When you get down to the component level.... > or even the > board level.... I'm sure much has to sourced offshore. Even > if we could > afford what Elecraft would have to pay for onshore labor > costs to build > those boards, I doubt that the skills are adequately > available here anymore. > So of course I meant the the final assembly of the "factory > assembled" K3 > units. I'm glad to hear it's all done in California. (And as > kits, in home > workshops around the globe) > I don't think it's a "language barrier" that keeps the Big 3 > from taking an > accurate pulse of the amateur community... at least not in > this country. > Nowadays they each have plenty of English speakers in their > management. But > do they have real hams doing their design work? Do they have > real hams > getting real-time feedback from the users? Probably not so > much. As you > point out, that is what makes Elecraft really special.... we > knows 'em, and > they is us. > 73, Jerry K3BZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Tippett" <[hidden email]> > To: "Jerry Keller (K3BZ)" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order > > > > Hi Jerry, > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Jerry Keller (K3BZ) > <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > >> Bill... not that it makes any real difference to the point you were > >> making.... but it's David and Goliath. > > > > Yes, too early and I corrected that...was thinking of David KY1V. > > > > Anyway, I have a K3 on order for all > >> the reasons you gave and at least one more.... I've been under the > >> impression that Elecraft's products are "made in the > USA". But some > >> comments here on the reflector have made me wonder how > true that is... > >> do > >> you happen to know? > > > > Since most Elecraft products are kits, they are actually "made" > > everywhere (by the kit builder). If you mean the components inside > > them, I'm sure they're sourced from many places. It would be very > > difficult to find parts if you stipulated that all must > come from the > > USA. I've been on the list since I built a K2 about 4 years ago but > > haven't noticed many comments about this...maybe I just > wasn't paying > > attention. I'm fairly sure Elecraft does all final test > and assembly > > of the K3 in Aptos, outsources SMD board-stuffing (not sure to whom) > > and the components come from everywhere. What matters most to me is > > where the products are designed (i.e. the real value-added > in today's > > world). > > > > I believe the 3 American companies (Elecraft, Flex and Ten-Tec) have > > the business model of the future (which may apply to many > other areas > > besides ham radio): > > > > 1. Distribute directly instead of via distributors...thereby saving > > significant costs (somewhat like Dell did with PCs). > > > > 2. Make heavy use of the Internet as a tool for customer feedback, > > firmware updates, building customer loyalty, etc. > > > > 3. Listen to customers intently and respond promptly (this is the > > real key to success IMHO). > > > > 4. Enable other companies to facilitate your own success. N8LP's > > LP-PAN and VE3NEA's CW Skimmer are going to have a **huge** > impact on > > the success of the K3. I truly doubt that the Big-3 have the > > slightest comprehension of the impact this may have in strengthening > > the K3's success in the marketplace. > > > > It's a very simple but powerful model that the Big-3 have yet to > > figure out...probably influenced by their language barrier. By the > > time they figure it out, the world may have vastly changed on them. > > > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > > > P.S. Copying to the list since others might have comments. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. 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I am no longer in need of my assembled KBT-2 battery kit for the K2. I will ship it for $40 Dave N1IX _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Where a product is made makes a big difference too. When you send
things overseas you'll find things like the first 100 coming off the line perfect. Then they'll start to slack off on quality control until you notice. Then things will start to pick back up a bit and they'll start to slack off again. You have to stay on top of it or the quality will start to diminish. Quality doesn't happen by accident. You have to have people who take pride in their product to make it well. One of the only ways that we can ensure that our products are always up to par with our standards we actually have a department that makes test equipment specifically for testing our products. These machines thoroughly test the product and have very tight standards which things must stand up to before we'll accept them. Once these systems are completed they are shipped overseas and all product must pass these tests before it is shipped to us. Depending on how much money and time you want to throw at making sure that the job is done right sometimes its just easier to keep your finger in the pie and do it locally. Granted you still have to do quality checks but they are much easier to do when you can actually physically see and touch the thing before it's shipped. On Sat, 2008-03-01 at 09:05 -0500, Bill Tippett wrote: > What matters most to me is > where the products are designed (i.e. the real value-added in today's > world). > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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The KBT-2 has been spoken for. Thanks for all of the interest.
Dave N1iX -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of N1IX Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:39 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KBT-2 internal battery for K2 I am no longer in need of my assembled KBT-2 battery kit for the K2. I will ship it for $40 Dave N1IX _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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