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alorona

[K3] Another way to access APF

There was recent discussion about the need to HOLD a pushbutton to turn on the
APF. In January 2011, Wayne made a post entitled "Tips for using APF" in which
he wrote,

"2. There are two filter "Presets" (I and II, accessed by HOLDing the HI/WIDTH
knob). You can turn APF on for one preset and off for the
other. This control is closer to where the action is than DUAL PB, and
I find it more convenient to use."

Although this still involves HOLDing a button it may provide a better
alternative to the whole business of enabling APF.

Regards,

Al W6LX
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gm3sek

Re: [K3] Another way to access APF

Al Lorona wrote:

>
>
>There was recent discussion about the need to HOLD a pushbutton to turn on the
>APF. In January 2011, Wayne made a post entitled "Tips for using APF" in which
>he wrote,
>
>"2. There are two filter "Presets" (I and II, accessed by HOLDing the
>HI/WIDTH
>knob). You can turn APF on for one preset and off for the
>other. This control is closer to where the action is than DUAL PB, and
>I find it more convenient to use."
>
>Although this still involves HOLDing a button it may provide a better
>alternative to the whole business of enabling APF.
>

That suggestion will work, of course, and so too will the macro route -
but both of them are work-arounds, to compensate for functionality that
is missing from the button where it belongs.

The same applies to SPLIT: the K3 is the only high-end radio with a
non-configurable SPLIT button. All the others have an option to
configure that button as "Split and QSY" - but in the K3, that function
must be assigned to some <other> button, while the SPLIT button where
that functionality should be is no longer used.

The macro facility is seriously overplayed as an answer to missing
functionality. Remember that the K3 has only TWO dedicated macro
buttons, PF1 and PF2. Anything beyond that requires hidden controls
which are a nightmare for the guest operator.

--

73 from Ian GM3SEK
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Gary Gregory

Re: [K3] Another way to access APF

*Geoff,

While I agree with your comments regarding split, how would you have it
work?

Lately it appears everytime I need to use split I find the DX is looking 5
to 15 UP and I have to look around or use the P3 to 'guess' where the best
place is to call. If I am using the cluster(s) then I double click and QSY
with split enabled if that is what the cluster(s) is showing.

How should it work in your opinion.It has been a long time since I have
used 'other' transceivers that you were perhaps referring too.

73
Gary
*
On 30 June 2012 16:45, Ian White GM3SEK <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Al Lorona wrote:
> >
> >
> >There was recent discussion about the need to HOLD a pushbutton to turn
> on the
> >APF. In January 2011, Wayne made a post entitled "Tips for using APF" in
> which
> >he wrote,
> >
> >"2. There are two filter "Presets" (I and II, accessed by HOLDing the
> >HI/WIDTH
> >knob). You can turn APF on for one preset and off for the
> >other. This control is closer to where the action is than DUAL PB, and
> >I find it more convenient to use."
> >
> >Although this still involves HOLDing a button it may provide a better
> >alternative to the whole business of enabling APF.
> >
>
> That suggestion will work, of course, and so too will the macro route -
> but both of them are work-arounds, to compensate for functionality that
> is missing from the button where it belongs.
>
> The same applies to SPLIT: the K3 is the only high-end radio with a
> non-configurable SPLIT button. All the others have an option to
> configure that button as "Split and QSY" - but in the K3, that function
> must be assigned to some <other> button, while the SPLIT button where
> that functionality should be is no longer used.
>
> The macro facility is seriously overplayed as an answer to missing
> functionality. Remember that the K3 has only TWO dedicated macro
> buttons, PF1 and PF2. Anything beyond that requires hidden controls
> which are a nightmare for the guest operator.
>
>
> --
>
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
> http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek
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Felipe Ceglia - PY1NB-2

Re: [K3] Another way to access APF

In reply to this post by gm3sek

Hi,

Something like it happens with the DVK playback buttons (M1-M4):
If you assign some function to it, and you try to playback a dvk message
via CAT commands, it will do whatever you have assigned to DVK buttons.

Actually the "play dvk message" CAT command mimics pressing the front panel
button instead of just playing teh DVK itself.

I've posted this a couple of times but it seems like there are not many
folks around annoyed with that.

73,

Felipe Ceglia - PY1NB
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On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Ian White GM3SEK <[hidden email]>wrote:

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drewko

Re: [K3] Another way to access APF

In reply to this post by gm3sek

Years ago Gateway bundled a so-called "AnyKey" keyboard with their
PCs: you could assign a macro (series of keystrokes) to any key on the
board, even the ENTER key. You could also remap any keys as you liked.
This was all done in the keyboard firmware; no software application
necessary.

This was immensely useful in seemlessly integrating different software
applications (say, a foreign language dictionary, a text editor and
keyboard language layout), or for just extending or "improving" the
software developer's idea of how his program should be used or which
keys should be used for which functions.

Wouldn't something similar be a useful feature in software defined
radios? You could customize your rig by appending (or prepending) a
macro or series of button pushes to ANY button on the front panel. Add
QSY to the SPLIT key, as you mentioned, etc. Instead of being limited
to a few programmable function keys every button on the panel would in
a sense be programmable, or at least "extendable".

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 07:45:03 +0100, you wrote:

>Al Lorona wrote:
>>
>>
>>There was recent discussion about the need to HOLD a pushbutton to turn on the
>>APF. In January 2011, Wayne made a post entitled "Tips for using APF" in which
>>he wrote,
>>
>>"2. There are two filter "Presets" (I and II, accessed by HOLDing the
>>HI/WIDTH
>>knob). You can turn APF on for one preset and off for the
>>other. This control is closer to where the action is than DUAL PB, and
>>I find it more convenient to use."
>>
>>Although this still involves HOLDing a button it may provide a better
>>alternative to the whole business of enabling APF.
>>
>
>That suggestion will work, of course, and so too will the macro route -
>but both of them are work-arounds, to compensate for functionality that
>is missing from the button where it belongs.
>
>The same applies to SPLIT: the K3 is the only high-end radio with a
>non-configurable SPLIT button. All the others have an option to
>configure that button as "Split and QSY" - but in the K3, that function
>must be assigned to some <other> button, while the SPLIT button where
>that functionality should be is no longer used.
>
>The macro facility is seriously overplayed as an answer to missing
>functionality. Remember that the K3 has only TWO dedicated macro
>buttons, PF1 and PF2. Anything beyond that requires hidden controls
>which are a nightmare for the guest operator.

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: [K3] Another way to access APF

In reply to this post by gm3sek

> The macro facility is seriously overplayed as an answer to missing
> functionality. Remember that the K3 has only TWO dedicated macro
> buttons, PF1 and PF2. Anything beyond that requires hidden controls
> which are a nightmare for the guest operator.

This is getting tiresome. If you want 101 buttons get a TS-990.

what you are asking requires not only modifications to the firmware
(when have you seen any of the Japanese manufacturers make general
firmware updates that add new features?). In addition, it requires
a new front panel and keypad to change the legends to match the
changed functions - if changes "that would be confusing to guest
operators" are to be avoided.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 6/30/2012 2:45 AM, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

> Al Lorona wrote:
>>
>>
>> There was recent discussion about the need to HOLD a pushbutton to turn on the
>> APF. In January 2011, Wayne made a post entitled "Tips for using APF" in which
>> he wrote,
>>
>> "2. There are two filter "Presets" (I and II, accessed by HOLDing the
>> HI/WIDTH
>> knob). You can turn APF on for one preset and off for the
>> other. This control is closer to where the action is than DUAL PB, and
>> I find it more convenient to use."
>>
>> Although this still involves HOLDing a button it may provide a better
>> alternative to the whole business of enabling APF.
>>
>
> That suggestion will work, of course, and so too will the macro route -
> but both of them are work-arounds, to compensate for functionality that
> is missing from the button where it belongs.
>
> The same applies to SPLIT: the K3 is the only high-end radio with a
> non-configurable SPLIT button. All the others have an option to
> configure that button as "Split and QSY" - but in the K3, that function
> must be assigned to some <other> button, while the SPLIT button where
> that functionality should be is no longer used.
>
> The macro facility is seriously overplayed as an answer to missing
> functionality. Remember that the K3 has only TWO dedicated macro
> buttons, PF1 and PF2. Anything beyond that requires hidden controls
> which are a nightmare for the guest operator.
>
>

Jim N7US

[K3] Quick split (Was Another way to access APF)

In reply to this post by Gary Gregory

I liked the Quick-Split button on the IC-756 PRO3 I had. You could program
the amount of the split, say +2, in a menu, so pressing the split button
would engage the split mode and move VFO B up 2 kHz.

DXLab's Commander rig control module has the same function, but it's greatly
expanded. It has four buttons above the display of the VFO B frequency, 1,
2, 5, and 10. Clicking on any of those buttons puts the radio in split,
turns on the subreceiver if available, and sets VFO B up that much.
Pressing the CTL key while clicking on the button sets VFO B that much lower
in frequency. It's simple and easy.

Double clicking on a DX spot with a QSX frequency in the SpotCollector
module sets the K3 to the spotted station's frequency/mode/split.

http://www.dxlabsuite.com/

73, Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----

*Geoff,

While I agree with your comments regarding split, how would you have it
work?

Lately it appears everytime I need to use split I find the DX is looking 5
to 15 UP and I have to look around or use the P3 to 'guess' where the best
place is to call. If I am using the cluster(s) then I double click and QSY
with split enabled if that is what the cluster(s) is showing.

How should it work in your opinion.It has been a long time since I have used
'other' transceivers that you were perhaps referring too.

73
Gary
*
On 30 June 2012 16:45, Ian White GM3SEK <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Al Lorona wrote:
> >
> >
> >There was recent discussion about the need to HOLD a pushbutton to
> >turn
> on the
> >APF. In January 2011, Wayne made a post entitled "Tips for using APF"
> >in
> which
> >he wrote,
> >
> >"2. There are two filter "Presets" (I and II, accessed by HOLDing the
> >HI/WIDTH knob). You can turn APF on for one preset and off for the
> >other. This control is closer to where the action is than DUAL PB,
> >and I find it more convenient to use."
> >
> >Although this still involves HOLDing a button it may provide a better
> >alternative to the whole business of enabling APF.
> >
>
> That suggestion will work, of course, and so too will the macro route
> - but both of them are work-arounds, to compensate for functionality
> that is missing from the button where it belongs.
>
> The same applies to SPLIT: the K3 is the only high-end radio with a
> non-configurable SPLIT button. All the others have an option to
> configure that button as "Split and QSY" - but in the K3, that
> function must be assigned to some <other> button, while the SPLIT
> button where that functionality should be is no longer used.
>
> The macro facility is seriously overplayed as an answer to missing
> functionality. Remember that the K3 has only TWO dedicated macro
> buttons, PF1 and PF2. Anything beyond that requires hidden controls
> which are a nightmare for the guest operator.
>
>
> --
>
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK

--
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Gary Gregory

Re: [K3] Quick split (Was Another way to access APF)

*This works for me and has done for quite some time. DX Labs has many
useful features.

73
Gary
*
On 1 July 2012 00:15, Jim N7US <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I liked the Quick-Split button on the IC-756 PRO3 I had. You could program
> the amount of the split, say +2, in a menu, so pressing the split button
> would engage the split mode and move VFO B up 2 kHz.
>
> DXLab's Commander rig control module has the same function, but it's
> greatly
> expanded. It has four buttons above the display of the VFO B frequency, 1,
> 2, 5, and 10. Clicking on any of those buttons puts the radio in split,
> turns on the subreceiver if available, and sets VFO B up that much.
> Pressing the CTL key while clicking on the button sets VFO B that much
> lower
> in frequency. It's simple and easy.
>
> Double clicking on a DX spot with a QSX frequency in the SpotCollector
> module sets the K3 to the spotted station's frequency/mode/split.
>
> http://www.dxlabsuite.com/
>
> 73, Jim N7US
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> *Geoff,
>
> While I agree with your comments regarding split, how would you have it
> work?
>
> Lately it appears everytime I need to use split I find the DX is looking 5
> to 15 UP and I have to look around or use the P3 to 'guess' where the best
> place is to call. If I am using the cluster(s) then I double click and QSY
> with split enabled if that is what the cluster(s) is showing.
>
> How should it work in your opinion.It has been a long time since I have
> used
> 'other' transceivers that you were perhaps referring too.
>
> 73
> Gary
> *
> On 30 June 2012 16:45, Ian White GM3SEK <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Al Lorona wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >There was recent discussion about the need to HOLD a pushbutton to
> > >turn
> > on the
> > >APF. In January 2011, Wayne made a post entitled "Tips for using APF"
> > >in
> > which
> > >he wrote,
> > >
> > >"2. There are two filter "Presets" (I and II, accessed by HOLDing the
> > >HI/WIDTH knob). You can turn APF on for one preset and off for the
> > >other. This control is closer to where the action is than DUAL PB,
> > >and I find it more convenient to use."
> > >
> > >Although this still involves HOLDing a button it may provide a better
> > >alternative to the whole business of enabling APF.
> > >
> >
> > That suggestion will work, of course, and so too will the macro route
> > - but both of them are work-arounds, to compensate for functionality
> > that is missing from the button where it belongs.
> >
> > The same applies to SPLIT: the K3 is the only high-end radio with a
> > non-configurable SPLIT button. All the others have an option to
> > configure that button as "Split and QSY" - but in the K3, that
> > function must be assigned to some <other> button, while the SPLIT
> > button where that functionality should be is no longer used.
> >
> > The macro facility is seriously overplayed as an answer to missing
> > functionality. Remember that the K3 has only TWO dedicated macro
> > buttons, PF1 and PF2. Anything beyond that requires hidden controls
> > which are a nightmare for the guest operator.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > 73 from Ian GM3SEK
> --
> Gary
> VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile
>
>
>
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gm3sek

Re: [K3] Another way to access APF

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
> > The macro facility is seriously overplayed as an answer to missing
> > functionality. Remember that the K3 has only TWO dedicated macro
> > buttons, PF1 and PF2. Anything beyond that requires hidden controls
> > which are a nightmare for the guest operator.
>
>This is getting tiresome. If you want 101 buttons get a TS-990.
>
>what you are asking requires not only modifications to the firmware
>(when have you seen any of the Japanese manufacturers make general
>firmware updates that add new features?). In addition, it requires a
>new front panel and keypad to change the legends to match the changed
>functions - if changes "that would be confusing to guest operators" are
>to be avoided.
>

Once again, Joe: Stop inventing things that I did not say.

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: [K3] Another way to access APF

I'm not inventing things you said ... merely restating your desire to
have separate dedicated "tap" switches for APF. That by extension
means a separate button for each and every function that any user
could possibly want (including band stacking memories as has been
argued here a couple years ago).

It is that logic that results in the 101 buttons on the front panel
of the TS-990.

The K3's design goal - per Wayne - was portability and small size.
That limits the number of available "tap" functions and limits any
programmable function keys to hold functions.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/1/2012 4:49 PM, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>>> The macro facility is seriously overplayed as an answer to missing
>>> functionality. Remember that the K3 has only TWO dedicated macro
>>> buttons, PF1 and PF2. Anything beyond that requires hidden controls
>>> which are a nightmare for the guest operator.
>>
>> This is getting tiresome. If you want 101 buttons get a TS-990.
>>
>> what you are asking requires not only modifications to the firmware
>> (when have you seen any of the Japanese manufacturers make general
>> firmware updates that add new features?). In addition, it requires a
>> new front panel and keypad to change the legends to match the changed
>> functions - if changes "that would be confusing to guest operators" are
>> to be avoided.
>>
>
> Once again, Joe: Stop inventing things that I did not say.
>
>

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: [K3] Another way to access APF

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On 7/1/2012 4:18 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> I'm not inventing things you said ... merely restating your desire to
> have separate dedicated "tap" switches for APF. ...

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