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Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)

K3: CW decoder - minor sw request

I have recently started to have more Scandinavian CW QSOs and use the CW decoder from time to time. But in the middle of many words it just shows a big * due to a lack of some non-English characters.

Would it be possible to add four characters which would cover German, Swedish, Finnish, and sort of Norwegian/Danish also, possibly other languages as well. They are:

---. = Ö (o with umlaut, two dots over o)
.-.- = Ä (a with umlaut, two dots over a)
.--.- = Å (a with ring)
..-- = Ü (u with umlaut, two dots over u)

Hopefully, this won't take up much code space.

Sverre, LA3ZA

K2 #2198, K3 #3391,
LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com,
LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html

Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)

Re: K3: CW decoder - minor sw request

I've had some correspondence regarding my proposal for added characters. Looking at the K3 display on page 12 in the K3 manual, it may be that the display cannot show the details required for these characters. That gives two options:

1. Show the three umlaut characters with a bar over instead. The display can show them as small o, a, u with an overbar. Also show the a with ring as a small a with an accent grave (falling bar) on top

2. Just show the unaccented characters

Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote

---. = Ö (o with umlaut, two dots over o)
.-.- = Ä (a with umlaut, two dots over a)
.--.- = Å (a with ring)
..-- = Ü (u with umlaut, two dots over u)

Sverre, LA3ZA

K2 #2198, K3 #3391,
LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com,
LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html

Frode LA2RL

Re: K3: CW decoder - minor sw request

I have another suggestion, perhaps use double characters.

---. = OE (o with umlaut, two dots over o)
.-.- = AE (a with umlaut, two dots over a)
.--.- = AA (a with ring)
..-- = UE (u with umlaut, two dots over u)

Only disadvantage, it eats up one character space of available display
space. But as these characters are relatively rare it should be OK.

Frode, LA2RL

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I've had some correspondence regarding my proposal for added characters.
> Looking at the K3 display on page 12 in the K3 manual, it may be that the
> display cannot show the details required for these characters. That gives
> two options:
>
> 1. Show the three umlaut characters with a bar over instead. The display
> can
> show them as small o, a, u with an overbar. Also show the a with ring as a
> small a with an accent grave (falling bar) on top
>
> 2. Just show the unaccented characters
>
>
> Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote
> > ---. = Ö (o with umlaut, two dots over o)
> > .-.- = Ä (a with umlaut, two dots over a)
> > .--.- = Å (a with ring)
> > ..-- = Ü (u with umlaut, two dots over u)
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
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>
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Gustavo Villada

Re: K3: CW decoder - minor sw request

even when I could like have ñ, á..ú, and don't forget the french acute, Ç
and others

but Morse code have a standard and is ok that they follow it.

we NEED to learn morse to get our novice license, and my teachers never
tech me the morse for Ñ, just say: use N

and they have reason, because if I ear a ..-- I wont know what letter is
that.

regards
Gus LU6HXV

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:07 AM, Frode LA2RL <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have another suggestion, perhaps use double characters.
>
> ---. = OE (o with umlaut, two dots over o)
> .-.- = AE (a with umlaut, two dots over a)
> .--.- = AA (a with ring)
> ..-- = UE (u with umlaut, two dots over u)
>
> Only disadvantage, it eats up one character space of available display
> space. But as these characters are relatively rare it should be OK.
>
> Frode, LA2RL
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I've had some correspondence regarding my proposal for added characters.
> > Looking at the K3 display on page 12 in the K3 manual, it may be that the
> > display cannot show the details required for these characters. That gives
> > two options:
> >
> > 1. Show the three umlaut characters with a bar over instead. The display
> > can
> > show them as small o, a, u with an overbar. Also show the a with ring as
> a
> > small a with an accent grave (falling bar) on top
> >
> > 2. Just show the unaccented characters
> >
> >
> > Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote
> > > ---. = Ö (o with umlaut, two dots over o)
> > > .-.- = Ä (a with umlaut, two dots over a)
> > > .--.- = Å (a with ring)
> > > ..-- = Ü (u with umlaut, two dots over u)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Sverre, LA3ZA
> >
> > K2 #2198, K3 #3391,
> > LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com,
> > LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications:
> > http://www.qslnet.de/member/la3za/K2/mod.html
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> >
> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-minor-sw-request-tp7572913p7572981.html
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Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)

Re: K3: CW decoder - minor sw request

The importance of accented letters probably varies from language to language, but in Scandinavia we actually both learn and use the Ä, Ö, and Å in Morse code, so that is the reason for my request.

I know this is different in e.g. written French where it seems like one may actually chose to include the accents or not for capital letters and in a headline. That would not work in any of the Scandinavian languages.

Gustavo Villada wrote

even when I could like have ñ, á..ú, and don't forget the french acute, Ç
and others
....
and they have reason, because if I ear a ..-- I wont know what letter is
that.

Sverre, LA3ZA

K2 #2198, K3 #3391,
LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com,
LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html

Gustavo Villada

Re: K3: CW decoder - minor sw request

I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code#Non-English_extensions

where are the letter that you ask for.

I don't know if those are ITU official or not, but if are, will be nice
that engineer add support to those chars, I don't believe that could be
really hard to add (I'm computer programmer)

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The importance of accented letters probably varies from language to
> language,
> but in Scandinavia we actually both learn and use the Ä, Ö, and Å in Morse
> code, so that is the reason for my request.
>
> I know this is different in e.g. written French where it seems like one may
> actually chose to include the accents or not for capital letters and in a
> headline. That would not work in any of the Scandinavian languages.
>
>
> Gustavo Villada wrote
> > even when I could like have ñ, á..ú, and don't forget the french acute, Ç
> > and others
> > ....
> > and they have reason, because if I ear a ..-- I wont know what letter is
> > that.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Sverre, LA3ZA
>
> K2 #2198, K3 #3391,
> LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com,
> LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications:
> http://www.qslnet.de/member/la3za/K2/mod.html
> --
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David Pratt

Re: K3: CW decoder - minor sw request

Here is the official ITU paper on the International Morse code. The only
accented character is e ..-..

http://www.g4dmp.co.uk/itu-rec-m1677.pdf

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Gustavo Villada <[hidden email]> writes
>I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code#Non-English_extensions
>
>where are the letter that you ask for.
>
>I don't know if those are ITU official or not, but if are, will be nice
>that engineer add support to those chars, I don't believe that could be
>really hard to add (I'm computer programmer)

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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: K3: CW decoder - minor sw request

The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.

On 4/24/2013 10:11 AM, David G4DMP wrote:

> Here is the official ITU paper on the International Morse code. The only
> accented character is e ..-..
>
> http://www.g4dmp.co.uk/itu-rec-m1677.pdf
>
> 73 de David G4DMP
>
> In a recent message, Gustavo Villada <[hidden email]> writes
>> I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code#Non-English_extensions
>>
>> where are the letter that you ask for.
>>
>> I don't know if those are ITU official or not, but if are, will be nice
>> that engineer add support to those chars, I don't believe that could be
>> really hard to add (I'm computer programmer)
>