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Richard Fjeld

K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

I can't do 6M, but I use this feature often on the other bands. I don't use VOX. I just hooked up the antenna and verified it. Using f/w 04.36

Dick, n0ce

"One thing that disappointed me is that this very useful cross-mode feature (at least
on 6m, where I do most of my operating), is available only if you are running VOX mode."

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Jan Ditzian

Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

CW works in SSB mode only if Vox is on because you have not used the
PTT. This is exactly parallel to the procedure for CW, where you can
only send without PTT by turning Vox on.

Jan, KX2A

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Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jan Ditzian <[hidden email]> wrote:
> CW works in SSB mode only if Vox is on because you have not used the
> PTT. This is exactly parallel to the procedure for CW, where you can
> only send without PTT by turning Vox on.

Nice theory, but it's not true (as far as I can see). "SSB +CW"
happens (i.e. makes RF out) for me, even if VOX is off in both modes.
If VOX is off in CW mode, I get full QSK in SSB mode. If VOX (but not
QSK) is on in CW mode, I get semi-QSK in SSB mode. The SSB VOX setting
doesn't make any difference.

It kinda seems like a bug that CW makes RF in SSB mode when VOX is off
in CW mode....

~iain / N6ML
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k5oai

Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

In reply to this post by Jan Ditzian

when I have CW WGHT [1] set to SSB +CW
the K3 transmits cw when in mode ssb
no matter whither I have vox implemented or not
Firmware MCU 4.42 FPF 1.14 DSP 2.73
K3 util 1.4.10.11
K3 #4123

--
GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan

On 2/2/2012 5:38 PM, Jan Ditzian wrote:
> CW works in SSB mode only if Vox is on because you have not used the
> PTT. This is exactly parallel to the procedure for CW, where you can
> only send without PTT by turning Vox on.
>
> Jan, KX2A
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Stephen G4SJP

Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

Same here, it works fine for me with latest beta. I never use VOX on ssb.
it's a very useful feature.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 3 February 2012 00:12, Sam Morgan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> when I have CW WGHT [1] set to SSB +CW
> the K3 transmits cw when in mode ssb
> no matter whither I have vox implemented or not
> Firmware MCU 4.42 FPF 1.14 DSP 2.73
> K3 util 1.4.10.11
> K3 #4123
>
> --
> GB & 73
> K5OAI
> Sam Morgan
>
> On 2/2/2012 5:38 PM, Jan Ditzian wrote:
> > CW works in SSB mode only if Vox is on because you have not used the
> > PTT. This is exactly parallel to the procedure for CW, where you can
> > only send without PTT by turning Vox on.
> >
> > Jan, KX2A
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Terry Schieler

Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

I have read this thread with great interest. But I must say that I have never done CW in SSB mode. Can't specifically remember having heard it done. What is the general use for this approach? Getting through when SSB isn't cutting it? That would seem obvious. How is this odd approach viewed in the amateur and DX community? Does it not matter to a SSB DX station or his pileup if I slam my call in there via CW. I doubt it is against the rules. But what about the impact to courtesy, ethical operating habits, etc? I have had occasions where a CW transmission might have snagged me a new one during a SSB operation. Does it make me a lid? Looking to be enlighten.

73,

Terry, W0FM

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Prior [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 3:02 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

Same here, it works fine for me with latest beta. I never use VOX on ssb.
it's a very useful feature.

73 Stephen G4SJP

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Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

Terry, my understanding is that this feature is used almost exclusively by DXers on the VHF bands. I have never seen it used on the HF bands even though it would be legal. It allows you to keep the receiver on SSB while using the transmitter on CW. I have used it on HF to touch up my amplifier tuning, but on HF there is no assurance that the other operator is CW capable or will know what to do. Of course there is no such assurance on VHF either, but it more likely that the other operator has encountered the technique. I would not attempt it in an HF SSB pileup.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart

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From: Terry Schieler <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

I have read this thread with great interest. But I must say that I have never done CW in SSB mode. Can't specifically remember having heard it done. What is the general use for this approach? Getting through when SSB isn't cutting it? That would seem obvious. How is this odd approach viewed in the amateur and DX community? Does it not matter to a SSB DX station or his pileup if I slam my call in there via CW. I doubt it is against the rules. But what about the impact to courtesy, ethical operating habits, etc? I have had occasions where a CW transmission might have snagged me a new one during a SSB operation. Does it make me a lid? Looking to be enlighten.

73,

Terry, W0FM

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Prior [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 3:02 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

Same here, it works fine for me with latest beta. I never use VOX on ssb.
it's a very useful feature.

73 Stephen G4SJP

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kevinr@coho.net

Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

You can use this to check into nets where US (or at least lower 48)
folks do not have voice privileges. There are some Canadian and Alaskan
nets which run SSB but welcome folks running CW from the lower 48.
Kevin. KD5ONS

On 2/3/2012 11:41 AM, WILLIS COOKE wrote:
> Terry, my understanding is that this feature is used almost exclusively by DXers on the VHF bands. I have never seen it used on the HF bands even though it would be legal.
...
>
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> K5EWJ& Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
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Jessie Oberreuter-2

Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

In reply to this post by Terry Schieler

On Fri, 3 Feb 2012, Terry Schieler wrote:
> What is the general use for this approach?

When I'm wearing my VHF Contester hat, I'm /constantly/ switching
between CW and SSB. In these contests, CW and SSB contacts take place in
the same band segments (here in the PNW, calling freq +/- 20KHz), and mode
is not a factor in the scoring. Station asymmetry is common, and paths
can fade quickly, so cross-mode and mixed-mode contacts are regular
occurrences. Indeed, I've often operated whole contests cross-mode
because when you're portable or rover, working aurora, knife-edge, and
back-scatter through mountains and valleys, CW is the only thing that's
going to be heard. Pileups are rarely a problem -- just being heard well
enough to make the contact is challenging enough :), and in this context,
it is not considered a rude operating practice. The K3 makes this kind of
operating a breeze and it's my biggest reason for buying a KX3! - kb7psg

On Fri, 3 Feb 2012, Terry Schieler wrote:

> I have read this thread with great interest. But I must say that I have
> never done CW in SSB mode. Can't specifically remember having heard it
> done. What is the general use for this approach? Getting through when
> SSB isn't cutting it? That would seem obvious. How is this odd
> approach viewed in the amateur and DX community? Does it not matter to
> a SSB DX station or his pileup if I slam my call in there via CW. I
> doubt it is against the rules. But what about the impact to courtesy,
> ethical operating habits, etc? I have had occasions where a CW
> transmission might have snagged me a new one during a SSB operation.
> Does it make me a lid? Looking to be enlighten.
>
> 73,
>
> Terry, W0FM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Prior [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 3:02 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?
>
> Same here, it works fine for me with latest beta. I never use VOX on ssb.
> it's a very useful feature.
>
> 73 Stephen G4SJP
>
>
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Cady, Fred

Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

In reply to this post by Cookie

Here is another scenario:
"You are operating at the scene of a disaster using a low antenna and low power while passing health-and-welfare traffic. You can hear the SSB station on the other end but it can't hear you very well. You would like to be able to listen on SSB and send on CW. What configuration menu item to you use to activate this cross-mode transmission?"

Fred Cady
fcady at ieee dot org
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration, and Operation"
www.ke7x.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:42 PM
> To: Terry Schieler; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?
>
> Terry, my understanding is that this feature is used almost exclusively
> by DXers on the VHF bands. I have never seen it used on the HF bands
> even though it would be legal. It allows you to keep the receiver on
> SSB while using the transmitter on CW. I have used it on HF to touch
> up my amplifier tuning, but on HF there is no assurance that the other
> operator is CW capable or will know what to do. Of course there is no
> such assurance on VHF either, but it more likely that the other
> operator has encountered the technique. I would not attempt it in an
> HF SSB pileup.
>
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
>
>
> ________________________________
>

Thomas Horsten

Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

In that scenario, what's wrong with CW mode and setting the filter suitably
wide?

73, Thomas M0TRN

On 3 February 2012 22:05, Cady, Fred <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Here is another scenario:
> "You are operating at the scene of a disaster using a low antenna and low
> power while passing health-and-welfare traffic. You can hear the SSB
> station on the other end but it can't hear you very well. You would like to
> be able to listen on SSB and send on CW. What configuration menu item to
> you use to activate this cross-mode transmission?"
>
>
> Fred Cady
> fcady at ieee dot org
> "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration, and Operation"
> www.ke7x.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE
> > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:42 PM
> > To: Terry Schieler; [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?
> >
> > Terry, my understanding is that this feature is used almost exclusively
> > by DXers on the VHF bands. I have never seen it used on the HF bands
> > even though it would be legal. It allows you to keep the receiver on
> > SSB while using the transmitter on CW. I have used it on HF to touch
> > up my amplifier tuning, but on HF there is no assurance that the other
> > operator is CW capable or will know what to do. Of course there is no
> > such assurance on VHF either, but it more likely that the other
> > operator has encountered the technique. I would not attempt it in an
> > HF SSB pileup.
> >
> > Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> > K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
>
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Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

The CW in SSB mode shifts the frequency for CW so that you can copy CW and SSB without engaging the RIT. It is a software thing, so the choice is whether to engage the mode or not and when you want to send CW in the SSB mode you just push the key if you are in VOX. If you are in PTT you need to also engage the PTT. So, it is a no cost option if you have a K3.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart

________________________________
From: Thomas Horsten <[hidden email]>
To: "Cady, Fred" <[hidden email]>
Cc: WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]>; Terry Schieler <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

In that scenario, what's wrong with CW mode and setting the filter suitably wide?

73, Thomas M0TRN

On 3 February 2012 22:05, Cady, Fred <[hidden email]> wrote:

Here is another scenario:

>"You are operating at the scene of a disaster using a low antenna and low power while passing health-and-welfare traffic. You can hear the SSB station on the other end but it can't hear you very well. You would like to be able to listen on SSB and send on CW. What configuration menu item to you use to activate this cross-mode transmission?"
>
>
>Fred Cady
>fcady at ieee dot org
>"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration, and Operation"
>www.ke7x.com
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
>> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE
>> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:42 PM
>> To: Terry Schieler; [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?
>>
>
>> Terry, my understanding is that this feature is used almost exclusively
>> by DXers on the VHF bands. I have never seen it used on the HF bands
>> even though it would be legal. It allows you to keep the receiver on
>> SSB while using the transmitter on CW. I have used it on HF to touch
>> up my amplifier tuning, but on HF there is no assurance that the other
>> operator is CW capable or will know what to do. Of course there is no
>> such assurance on VHF either, but it more likely that the other
>> operator has encountered the technique. I would not attempt it in an
>> HF SSB pileup.
>>
>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>
>
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Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

In reply to this post by Cady, Fred

I don't remember the menu option Fred, but it is just an option that you turn on or off then all you need to do is key the transmitter when you are in SSB. The only problem that I have is occasionally bumping the paddles and wondering what is making all the noise. Maybe someone will remember how to turn it on or off. I turned mine on a few years ago and have never turned it off!

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart

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From: "Cady, Fred" <[hidden email]>
To: WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]>; Terry Schieler <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

Here is another scenario:
"You are operating at the scene of a disaster using a low antenna and low power while passing health-and-welfare traffic. You can hear the SSB station on the other end but it can't hear you very well. You would like to be able to listen on SSB and send on CW. What configuration menu item to you use to activate this cross-mode transmission?"

Fred Cady
fcady at ieee dot org
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration, and Operation"
www.ke7x.com

Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

In reply to this post by Cookie

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 2:20 PM, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The CW in SSB mode shifts the frequency for CW so that you can copy CW and SSB without engaging the RIT. It is a software thing, so the choice is whether to engage the mode or not and when you want to send CW in the SSB mode you just push the key if you are in VOX. If you are in PTT you need to also engage the PTT.

That's NOT true. If you engage PTT, you will be transmitting SSB, and
CW will not work (as has been discussed in the last couple of days).

~iain / N6ML

____________________________

> From: Thomas Horsten <[hidden email]>
> To: "Cady, Fred" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]>; Terry Schieler <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 4:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?
>
>
> In that scenario, what's wrong with CW mode and setting the filter suitably wide?
>
> 73, Thomas M0TRN
>
>
> On 3 February 2012 22:05, Cady, Fred <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Here is another scenario:
>>"You are operating at the scene of a disaster using a low antenna and low power while passing health-and-welfare traffic. You can hear the SSB station on the other end but it can't hear you very well. You would like to be able to listen on SSB and send on CW. What configuration menu item to you use to activate this cross-mode transmission?"
>>
>>
>>Fred Cady
>>fcady at ieee dot org
>>"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration, and Operation"
>>www.ke7x.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
>>> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE
>>> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:42 PM
>>> To: Terry Schieler; [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?
>>>
>>
>>> Terry, my understanding is that this feature is used almost exclusively
>>> by DXers on the VHF bands. I have never seen it used on the HF bands
>>> even though it would be legal. It allows you to keep the receiver on
>>> SSB while using the transmitter on CW. I have used it on HF to touch
>>> up my amplifier tuning, but on HF there is no assurance that the other
>>> operator is CW capable or will know what to do. Of course there is no
>>> such assurance on VHF either, but it more likely that the other
>>> operator has encountered the technique. I would not attempt it in an
>>> HF SSB pileup.
>>>
>>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>>> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

OK, I will yield on that one. I never really tried it because I always leave my VOX on and just key the key when I want to send CW.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart

________________________________
From: iain macdonnell - N6ML <[hidden email]>
To: WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]>
Cc: Thomas Horsten <[hidden email]>; "Cady, Fred" <[hidden email]>; "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>; Terry Schieler <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 2:20 PM, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The CW in SSB mode shifts the frequency for CW so that you can copy CW and SSB without engaging the RIT. It is a software thing, so the choice is whether to engage the mode or not and when you want to send CW in the SSB mode you just push the key if you are in VOX. If you are in PTT you need to also engage the PTT.

That's NOT true. If you engage PTT, you will be transmitting SSB, and
CW will not work (as has been discussed in the last couple of days).

~iain / N6ML

____________________________

Cady, Fred

Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

In reply to this post by Cookie

Actually, the question is one of the exercises in the "K3 book". And the
answer is tapping the 1 key on the CW WGT config menu.
:-)
Fred

________________________________

From: WILLIS COOKE [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 3:40 PM
To: Cady, Fred; Terry Schieler; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

I don't remember the menu option Fred, but it is just an option that you
turn on or off then all you need to do is key the transmitter when you
are in SSB. The only problem that I have is occasionally bumping the
paddles and wondering what is making all the noise. Maybe someone will
remember how to turn it on or off. I turned mine on a few years ago and
have never turned it off!

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart

________________________________

From: "Cady, Fred" <[hidden email]>
To: WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]>; Terry Schieler
<[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

Here is another scenario:
"You are operating at the scene of a disaster using a low antenna and
low power while passing health-and-welfare traffic. You can hear the SSB
station on the other end but it can't hear you very well. You would like
to be able to listen on SSB and send on CW. What configuration menu item
to you use to activate this cross-mode transmission?"

Fred Cady
fcady at ieee dot org
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration, and Operation"
www.ke7x.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:42 PM
> To: Terry Schieler; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW in SSB mode broken?
>
> Terry, my understanding is that this feature is used almost
exclusively

> by DXers on the VHF bands. I have never seen it used on the HF bands
> even though it would be legal. It allows you to keep the receiver on
> SSB while using the transmitter on CW. I have used it on HF to touch
> up my amplifier tuning, but on HF there is no assurance that the other
> operator is CW capable or will know what to do. Of course there is no
> such assurance on VHF either, but it more likely that the other
> operator has encountered the technique. I would not attempt it in an
> HF SSB pileup.
>
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
>
>
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Re: K3: CW in SSB mode broken?

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