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Mike Reublin

[K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

I'm shifting from a Win 'puter to a Mac. I'm trying to get CM set up and
not having a lot of luck.

I have an iMic dongle. The sound card is putting out tones, but I can't
get the rig to key(VOX so far). It doesn't decode either.

I'd like to get it working with MacLoggerDX or Rumlog.

The integration seems to be better with RumLog, but that may be my
ignorance.

ANy help greatly appreciated.

73, Mike NF4L

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Michael Schulz

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

If you use Maclogger DX and have cat control working, you can tell CM to key the radio via ML DX.

73 Mike K5TRI

On May 3, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Mike <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm shifting from a Win 'puter to a Mac. I'm trying to get CM set up and
> not having a lot of luck.
>
> I have an iMic dongle. The sound card is putting out tones, but I can't
> get the rig to key(VOX so far). It doesn't decode either.
>
> I'd like to get it working with MacLoggerDX or Rumlog.
>
> The integration seems to be better with RumLog, but that may be my
> ignorance.
>
> ANy help greatly appreciated.
>
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
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Bill Frantz

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

In reply to this post by Mike Reublin

I have been using cocoaModem for a couple of years now on 3
separate rigs, including a K3. My favorite trick for not having
it work is to forget to press the "activate" button in the
Config dialog. Also be sure to set both the input and output
codecs in that dialog.

I use a Signalink USB and am not familiar with the iMic dongle.
However, you should see it in the dialogs as an alternative to
"Built-in input/output".

When debugging these things, seeing any kind of audio input on
the waterfall tells you that input is working. Hook up a
microphone or play a CD/iPod etc and be sure you can see it. (If
you can see the input you can also hear when you turn up the AF
control on the radio, than that path should be working and you
should be able to decode digital signals.

On output, it sounds like the output of the sound card isn't
getting to the K3. Check the cable between the card and line-in
on the K3. Also check that the multitude of K3 config settings
are correct. (The manual is quite good for getting them right.)
You should be in Data-A mode on the K3.

I have been using RumLog, but I don't have the interface to
cocoaModem set up and just transfer the data with cut/paste. Two
years ago, on a much slower mac, the automatic connection tended
to freeze both of them requiring force-quit to recover,
embarrassing during a QSO. I think a faster computer makes this
problem much less likely.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 5/3/12 at 16:33, [hidden email] (Mike) wrote:

>I'm shifting from a Win 'puter to a Mac. I'm trying to get CM
>set up and not having a lot of luck.
>
>I have an iMic dongle. The sound card is putting out tones, but
>I can't get the rig to key(VOX so far). It doesn't decode either.
>
>I'd like to get it working with MacLoggerDX or Rumlog.
>
>The integration seems to be better with RumLog, but that may be
>my ignorance.

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Mike Reublin

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

In reply to this post by Michael Schulz

Thanks, Mike.

I saw that, but then what? I don't get a "send/rev" screen for CM. The
MLDX help is a tad sparse, and the screen shots don't look much like
what I have.

Do MLDX and CM talk to each other, aside from tx keying?

73, Mike NF4L

On 5/3/12 11:13 PM, Michael Schulz wrote:

> If you use Maclogger DX and have cat control working, you can tell CM to key the radio via ML DX.
>
> 73 Mike K5TRI
>
>
>
> On May 3, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Mike<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I'm shifting from a Win 'puter to a Mac. I'm trying to get CM set up and
>> not having a lot of luck.
>>
>> I have an iMic dongle. The sound card is putting out tones, but I can't
>> get the rig to key(VOX so far). It doesn't decode either.
>>
>> I'd like to get it working with MacLoggerDX or Rumlog.
>>
>> The integration seems to be better with RumLog, but that may be my
>> ignorance.
>>
>> ANy help greatly appreciated.
>>
>> 73, Mike NF4L
>>
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Mike Reublin

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

In reply to this post by Bill Frantz

Thanks, Bill.

LOL Yeah, got the activate button. What do you mean by codecs? Setting
I/O to the iMic?

It shows in the dialogs, and is selected.

Tx is OK now, the level wasn't high enough to trip the VOX. I heartily
dislike VOX!

I'm getting an indication on all the receive indicators. As luck would
have it, apparently all the RTTY ops are taking the day off, except for
one that went QRT as soon as I found his signal.

Now the challenge is finding the window that shows and takes he text.
After that, I'll try it from both the logging programs.

73, Mike NF4L

On 5/4/12 12:53 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:

> I have been using cocoaModem for a couple of years now on 3 separate
> rigs, including a K3. My favorite trick for not having it work is to
> forget to press the "activate" button in the Config dialog. Also be
> sure to set both the input and output codecs in that dialog.
>
> I use a Signalink USB and am not familiar with the iMic dongle.
> However, you should see it in the dialogs as an alternative to
> "Built-in input/output".
>
> When debugging these things, seeing any kind of audio input on the
> waterfall tells you that input is working. Hook up a microphone or
> play a CD/iPod etc and be sure you can see it. (If you can see the
> input you can also hear when you turn up the AF control on the radio,
> than that path should be working and you should be able to decode
> digital signals.
>
> On output, it sounds like the output of the sound card isn't getting
> to the K3. Check the cable between the card and line-in on the K3.
> Also check that the multitude of K3 config settings are correct. (The
> manual is quite good for getting them right.) You should be in Data-A
> mode on the K3.
>
> I have been using RumLog, but I don't have the interface to cocoaModem
> set up and just transfer the data with cut/paste. Two years ago, on a
> much slower mac, the automatic connection tended to freeze both of
> them requiring force-quit to recover, embarrassing during a QSO. I
> think a faster computer makes this problem much less likely.
>
> Cheers - Bill, AE6JV
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Bill Frantz |"Web security is like medicine - trying to do good
> for
> 408-356-8506 |an evolved body of kludges" - Mark Miller
> www.pwpconsult.com |
>
>

Rick Prather-2

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

Mike,

For RTTY I much prefer using RUMlog.

I have it set to use the K3 for transmit (FSK-D) and CCM for receive.

Works great and, of course, since you are using the internal RTTY screen from RUMlog it is nicely integrated with the log and since it's FSK-D you can use your serial connection for PTT.

Also, if you are a DX'er you will probably be happier with RUMlog as your logger. Since Tom (DL2RUM) is a DX'er it is very well done for DX'er's needs including an excellent color coded cluster screen that even shows Marathon needs if desired.

73,
Rick
K6LE

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Mike Reublin

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

I really do like RumLog. The only shortcoming I see so far is lack of
rotor control, and Thomas isn't going to consider it. It's **SUCH** a
chore to reach up and press the direction bar on the rotor box.....

Are you using it with an interface? You can't do FsK D with just the
sound card right?
On 5/4/12 11:11 AM, Rick Prather wrote:

> Mike,
>
> For RTTY I much prefer using RUMlog.
>
> I have it set to use the K3 for transmit (FSK-D) and CCM for receive.
>
> Works great and, of course, since you are using the internal RTTY screen from RUMlog it is nicely integrated with the log and since it's FSK-D you can use your serial connection for PTT.
>
> Also, if you are a DX'er you will probably be happier with RUMlog as your logger. Since Tom (DL2RUM) is a DX'er it is very well done for DX'er's needs including an excellent color coded cluster screen that even shows Marathon needs if desired.
>
> 73,
> Rick
> K6LE
>
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

> You can't do FsK D with just the sound card right?

Yes you can! Tom is using the KY commands to generate FSK keying
not bit flipping.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 5/4/2012 2:40 PM, Mike wrote:

> I really do like RumLog. The only shortcoming I see so far is lack of
> rotor control, and Thomas isn't going to consider it. It's **SUCH** a
> chore to reach up and press the direction bar on the rotor box.....
>
> Are you using it with an interface? You can't do FsK D with just the
> sound card right?
> On 5/4/12 11:11 AM, Rick Prather wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> For RTTY I much prefer using RUMlog.
>>
>> I have it set to use the K3 for transmit (FSK-D) and CCM for receive.
>>
>> Works great and, of course, since you are using the internal RTTY screen from RUMlog it is nicely integrated with the log and since it's FSK-D you can use your serial connection for PTT.
>>
>> Also, if you are a DX'er you will probably be happier with RUMlog as your logger. Since Tom (DL2RUM) is a DX'er it is very well done for DX'er's needs including an excellent color coded cluster screen that even shows Marathon needs if desired.
>>
>> 73,
>> Rick
>> K6LE
>>
>>
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Rick Prather-2

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

In reply to this post by Mike Reublin

Mike,

The lack of rotor control hasn't affected me and my dipole much!

Setting RUMlog up to run FSK-D you don't need any interface. In fact even in other digital modes I don't use an interface between my iMac and the K3.

In FSK-D rumlog keys the FSK in the K3 via serial connection and if you use the K3 onboard decoder you don't even need any audio cables. I use at least one audio cable so that I can use CCM for decoding. I find that's more flexible.

Rick
K6LE

On 5/4/2012, at 11:40 , Mike <[hidden email]> wrote:

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

In reply to this post by Mike Reublin

One does AFSK A with the soundcard.
FSK D is without a soundcard. (ASCII data (K3 Utility and a few
others), TTL input at ACC Pin 1, CW entry through the paddles)

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/4/2012 2:40 PM, Mike wrote:
> Are you using it with an interface? You can't do FsK D with just the
> sound card right?
>
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Bill Frantz

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

In reply to this post by Mike Reublin

By codecs, I mean the input and output sound cards you are using.

My guess is that if you don't have enough output to trip the
K3's VOX, you probably will have trouble reaching full output power.

I can usually find some PSK types at 14.070 which might be a
good receive test for you.

The very top window is the waterfall. It is adjustable to be
either 2KHz or 4Khz wide. The next window is the secondary
receiver and the next is the primary receiver. The two receivers
can be swapped using the "Xcvr1/Xcvr2" control in the lower
left. The receiver on the bottom controls the transmit
frequency. The very bottom window is the composition window for
your transmissions. What you type appears here. If you press the
"Transmit" button it will be sent.

The receive frequency can be adjusted using the arrow keys.
These adjustments will not affect the transmit frequency, unlike
clicking on the waterfall which will change both frequencies.
Hold down the "apple" key to use the arrow keys on Xcvr1. Add
the Control key to change Xcvr2. Clicking with Control down
changes Xcvr2's frequency.

What I usually do during a QSO is use the upper Xcvr to
auto-tune the other station which keeps my transmit frequency
constant so we don't "walk the band".

There are macro buttons across the bottom which can make
operation easier. I always copy the other station's call into
the "Call" window at the bottom so I can use my "init-Call"
macro -- "%[tx]%C %C %C de %c %c %c KN\n%[rx]" -- to try to
respond to his call without having to type it correctly hihi.
This macro turns on transmit (%[tx]), sends his call 3 times
(%C), sends mine 3 times (%c) and returns to receive (%[rx]). My
call is set in the User Info window where I can add /P for
portable or /1 when in New Hampshire.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 5/4/12 at 5:42, [hidden email] (Mike) wrote:

>LOL Yeah, got the activate button. What do you mean by codecs?
>Setting I/O to the iMic?
>
>It shows in the dialogs, and is selected.
>
>Tx is OK now, the level wasn't high enough to trip the VOX. I
>heartily dislike VOX!
>
>I'm getting an indication on all the receive indicators. As
>luck would have it, apparently all the RTTY ops are taking the
>day off, except for one that went QRT as soon as I found his signal.
>
>Now the challenge is finding the window that shows and takes he
>text. After that, I'll try it from both the logging programs.

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Mike Reublin

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Neat! I'll have to play some more. Thanks Joe.

73, Mike NF4L

On 5/4/12 3:27 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>> You can't do FsK D with just the sound card right?
> Yes you can! Tom is using the KY commands to generate FSK keying
> not bit flipping.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 5/4/2012 2:40 PM, Mike wrote:
>> I really do like RumLog. The only shortcoming I see so far is lack of
>> rotor control, and Thomas isn't going to consider it. It's **SUCH** a
>> chore to reach up and press the direction bar on the rotor box.....
>>
>> Are you using it with an interface? You can't do FsK D with just the
>> sound card right?
>> On 5/4/12 11:11 AM, Rick Prather wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> For RTTY I much prefer using RUMlog.
>>>
>>> I have it set to use the K3 for transmit (FSK-D) and CCM for receive.
>>>
>>> Works great and, of course, since you are using the internal RTTY screen from RUMlog it is nicely integrated with the log and since it's FSK-D you can use your serial connection for PTT.
>>>
>>> Also, if you are a DX'er you will probably be happier with RUMlog as your logger. Since Tom (DL2RUM) is a DX'er it is very well done for DX'er's needs including an excellent color coded cluster screen that even shows Marathon needs if desired.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Rick
>>> K6LE
>>>
>>>
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Mike Reublin

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

In reply to this post by Rick Prather-2

Well just wait til you DO want to turn it... ;-o>

All this new stuff has me like a kid at Christmas! Lovin' it.

73, Mike NF4L

On 5/4/12 3:27 PM, Rick Prather wrote:

> Mike,
>
> The lack of rotor control hasn't affected me and my dipole much!
>
> Setting RUMlog up to run FSK-D you don't need any interface. In fact even in other digital modes I don't use an interface between my iMac and the K3.
>
> In FSK-D rumlog keys the FSK in the K3 via serial connection and if you use the K3 onboard decoder you don't even need any audio cables. I use at least one audio cable so that I can use CCM for decoding. I find that's more flexible.
>
> Rick
> K6LE
>
> On 5/4/2012, at 11:40 , Mike<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I really do like RumLog. The only shortcoming I see so far is lack of
>> rotor control, and Thomas isn't going to consider it. It's **SUCH** a
>> chore to reach up and press the direction bar on the rotor box.....
>>
>> Are you using it with an interface? You can't do FsK D with just the
>> sound card right?
>> On 5/4/12 11:11 AM, Rick Prather wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> For RTTY I much prefer using RUMlog.
>>>
>>> I have it set to use the K3 for transmit (FSK-D) and CCM for receive.
>>>
>>> Works great and, of course, since you are using the internal RTTY screen from RUMlog it is nicely integrated with the log and since it's FSK-D you can use your serial connection for PTT.
>>>
>>> Also, if you are a DX'er you will probably be happier with RUMlog as your logger. Since Tom (DL2RUM) is a DX'er it is very well done for DX'er's needs including an excellent color coded cluster screen that even shows Marathon needs if desired.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Rick
>>> K6LE
>>>
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Bill Frantz

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

In reply to this post by Mike Reublin

I just use cocoaModem (CCM) standalone.

Now here's the big disconnect. I was describing the PSK window,
an I gather you are trying to use CCM for RTTY. Sorry for that.
I have RTTY on my "to learn someday" list, perhaps after
screwing up enough courage to try for my first CW QSO.

A few minutes playing with the RTTY interfaces show that the
"Wideband RTTY" interface operates much like the PSK interface.
It has two waterfalls, so you click in the correct waterfall to
tune the receiver and there are a few other differences.

There are two other RTTY windows, "RTTY" and "Dual RTTY", but I
couldn't quite get them to work. I think they involve turning
the tuning knob on the K3, which will also shift the transmit
frequency. :-( Perhaps this is a use for RIT. (I really have a
lot to learn about the K3.)

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 5/4/12 at 17:49, [hidden email] (Mike) wrote:

>OK Bill,
>
>Got it (mostly) working. Are we talking about CCM stand alone
>or with a logging program? If with a logging program, which one?

>This is the window I couldn't get, and I still can't, but now
>suddenly I do get a window with the Lissajou indicator
>and a section for received text and a place to type the text to send, and the macro buttons.
>
>No primary and secondary receiver buttons. No waterfall.

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Bill Frantz

Re: [K3} CocoaModem & MacLoggerDX

In reply to this post by Mike Reublin

In cocoaModem -- Preferences, look at the tab "Modems". It will
let you choose which encoding schemes appear across the top of
the window. In the RTTY world, there are RTTY, Wideband RTTY,
and Dual RTTY. Have fun.

On 5/7/12 at 4:48, [hidden email] (Mike) wrote:

>Missed it in the first reply. The only RTTY window I can get is
>the one selected by clicking on RTTY. I don't see dual RTTY
>
>Here's a screen shot of what I see when I start CCM.
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