K3 Deposit Clarification

[waltk8cv4612amos]

Well that's not quite correct .

There will be eventual board updates and upgrades. It is inevitable. Will
the original owner do the upgrades or send the board to Elecraft for a
switch or upgrade ? Who knows ? Not the future buyer. Look at the guy who
just bought a K-2 and found no NB that he expected to find.

Used thing always have sticky issues ! ALWAYS !!

Walt K8CV Royal Oak, MI.


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Subject: [Elecraft] LOW RESALE VALUE OF LOW SERIAL NUMBERS

> Nonsense.  Upgradable radios are equal in functionality regardless of
> serial number.
>
> K9ZTV
>
>
>
> Someone wrote:
>
>>>There will come a time when my K3 will be hard to sell because it has a
>>>low
>>>serial number.
>>
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[Julian, G4ILO]

My reply to NN4X's posting was bounced by qth.net as spam. Anyone who
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[Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]]

I prefer to think that my low serial number K3 will increase in value
and add to my estate, as a collectors item.

Regarding computers obsolence, even hams are adding to the problem.
There's a well-known USB interface for radios that's not supported on
the "obsolete" W98.

73, doug

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[wolfmanjack]

NN4X has some valid points and I like his spirit. However, the funny thing about the K3, it was a remark attributed to W0YK that piqued my interest in the radio. Basically, I read an article that said Eric and Wayne had captured that 'Drake/Collins' receiver sound...

That's EXACTLY what's been missing from all the modern radios I've gone through! Collins and Drake, state of the art? Nope. But what they have is something I've missed for a long time...

73 John K7FD

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[Larry-79]

Something else to ponder....would you pay as
much for K2 #50 as you would for K2 #5000 ?

I wouldn't.

73
Larry
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Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone] wrote:

> I prefer to think that my low serial number K3 will increase in value
> and add to my estate, as a collectors item.
>
> Regarding computers obsolence, even hams are adding to the problem.
> There's a well-known USB interface for radios that's not supported on
> the "obsolete" W98.
>
> 73, doug
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[Ian Maude]

You know, if I ever bought anything based on its resale value, I would
never buy anything!!

Ian

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[Thom LaCosta]

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Larry wrote:

> Something else to ponder....would you pay as much for K2 #50 as you would for
> K2 #5000 ?
>
> I wouldn't.

How much would you pay to have enjoyed K2 #50 while waiting for #5000 to show
up?

But it's academic, when my low number k3 lives longer than I do, my estate will
have little knowledge of it's value...and will think more of the time I enjoyed
it....rather than how many bucks they can get from it.


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[Craig Rairdin]

> But it's academic, when my low number k3 lives longer than I do, my estate

> will have little knowledge of it's value...and will think more of the time

> I enjoyed it....rather than how many bucks they can get from it.

And there you have it. The thread has finally looped back to the funny point
I was making when I originally brought this up. :-)

I wasn't complaining about the low resale value of my low s/n K3. I was
answering a question about why I LIKED having a low s/n K3 and felt I needed
some negatives to throw in there. So I made the same joke Thom just did;
that my low s/n K3 will eventually have less resale value than a more recent
K3, but it won't matter as I'll be dead -- implying, of course, that I don't
intend to ever sell the radio, so even my contrived "negative" is not a
negative at all.

Ah, these things are always so much funnier after they've been taken off in
another direction and you get a chance to explain the joke line by line. :-)

A priest, a rabbi, and a K3 owner walk into a bar....

Craig
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K3/100 #25

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[KENT TRIMBLE]

Again, firmware upgradable radios are, and will be (by definition) equal
in functionality regardless of serial number.

Contrary to the idea that high serial numbers are superior to lower
ones, many Collins collectors actually prefer lower-numbered
Winged-emblem gear over the higher-numbered Round-emblem gear for
several reasons, not the least of which is that their manufacturing
occurred when Art Collins actually owned the company himself and wiring
was done by conscientious Iowa housewives with high work-ethics and
strong attention to detail.  The highest serial-numbered KWM-2As were
manufactured by Rockwell-Collins and not even in the United States
(Canada and Japan).  Thus "desirability" is a nebulous concept which
often has little to do with what  is "the latest and greatest."

Lower-numbered K3s will have the distinction (if you can call it that)
of having been fretted over by purchasers, beta-testers, AND company
owners during the formative months of the rig's production.  Should its
present owners no longer own the company at some point, the above
Collins scenario might well come into play.

Newer is not necessarily better, younger is not necessarily wiser, but
upgradable IS certainly an equalizer.


K9ZTV




Steve Sacco NN4X wrote:

> a lower SN would denote an older unit, and would therefore be
> considered less desirable,

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[Steve Sacco NN4X]

My thinking was (and remains): "Lower serial number = older = more
hours of use = less desirable".  Putting aside, for the moment,
ultra-low serial numbers.


ICOM just changed the PA in the IC-756ProIII, because the previous
transistors have been discontinued.  If I owned an earlier ProIII,
I'd be concerned about  that; specifically, whether replacements
would be available if it ever needed replacement.  Perhaps the new PA
units are backwards-compatible with the older ProIII's.  I do not know.

Yes, I'm well aware that occasionally, lower SN's are sometimes more
sought-after.  For example, I seem to recall that the 30,000 series
S-lines were considered more desirable, for some reason or other.

Also, I note that you skipped over my comment about the possibility
of future, enhancing hardware rev's.  That would certainly affect resale.

Who knows what the future holds?


73,

Steve NN4X
EL98jh



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>Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:56:48 -0600
>From: K9ZTV <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LOW RESALE VALUE OF LOW SERIAL NUMBERS
>To: Steve Sacco NN4X <[hidden email]>
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>Again, firmware upgradable radios are, and will be (by definition) equal
>in functionality regardless of serial number.
>
>Contrary to the idea that high serial numbers are superior to lower
>ones, many Collins collectors actually prefer lower-numbered
>Winged-emblem gear over the higher-numbered Round-emblem gear for
>several reasons, not the least of which is that their manufacturing
>occurred when Art Collins actually owned the company himself and wiring
>was done by conscientious Iowa housewives with high work-ethics and
>strong attention to detail.  The highest serial-numbered KWM-2As were
>manufactured by Rockwell-Collins and not even in the United States
>(Canada and Japan).  Thus "desirability" is a nebulous concept which
>often has little to do with what  is "the latest and greatest."
>
>Lower-numbered K3s will have the distinction (if you can call it that)
>of having been fretted over by purchasers, beta-testers, AND company
>owners during the formative months of the rig's production.  Should its
>present owners no longer own the company at some point, the above
>Collins scenario might well come into play.
>
>Newer is not necessarily better, younger is not necessarily wiser, but
>upgradable IS certainly an equalizer.
>
>
>K9ZTV

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[k6dgw]

K9ZTV wrote:
>
> Newer is not necessarily better, younger is not necessarily wiser, but
> upgradable IS certainly an equalizer.
>

A huge life-lesson I learned in the military in combat is that having a
college degree and a commission did not automatically make me smarter or
wiser than my troops ... some of whom were very young.  In fact, it
almost never made me smarter or wiser, regardless of their age.  And the
real-life experiences and wisdom of my NCO's trumped me every time :-)

Since I started this "low S/N thread" [and sort of wish now that I
hadn't], I wonder how many hams choose a new radio because it is
forecast to hold it's value for resale?  I sure don't.  My original
question, which has pretty much been answered was, "Other than getting
the radio sooner rather than later, what is the attraction of a S/N
<200?"  One off-reflector answer seemed particularly wise [to me at
least], "I might not live long enough to enjoy a high S/N K3," but then,
that's still the "get it soon" argument.

It was just a curiosity question born from the massive reflector traffic
about S/N's and who gets which ones and whose is lower.  On the other
hand, the reflector is also filled with incredibly good technical and
operational stuff about a K3 radio that I've seen and touched but won't
have mine for awhile.  I've been dutifully saving this wisdom, however
I'm wise enough now to know that I'll never sort my way through all of
it when I actually have my radio in front of me and on the air.  I'd pay
some money for software that would organize this info for me.  Just the
traffic and advice on ALC is daunting.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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some for others.  I'm a ham, I will pray for sunspots.

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[Darwin, Keith]

I agree that in general I prefer high SN to low, but sometimes something
special happens to make a particular series more desirable.

Like when a company is sold to someone else.  The items made under the
original owner are usually better and more desirable.

Or when the manufacturing ships from USA to somewhere else.

Or when Lisa hand winds toroids in the rig.  Those who have a rig with
Lisa toroids have something very unique.  Those rigs should have gone
out with a certificate of authenticity stamped with the rig's SN and
Lisa's signature.

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 Wave 3 -
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[Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO]

<LOL> That's been done before. Anybody remember the short-lived Apple Lisa
computer (~1979 I think)? Rumor had it that it was named after Steve Jobs' (or
Steve Wozniak's) girlfriend. It was a complete failure in the marketplace for
some reason. Long time ago... For whatever reason, it just wasn't what the
personal computer market wanted at the time. But they kept right on pushing
Apple IIs out the door until the Mac came out.

Bill W5WVO


Darwin, Keith wrote:

> I agree that in general I prefer high SN to low, but sometimes
> something special happens to make a particular series more desirable.
>
> Like when a company is sold to someone else.  The items made under the
> original owner are usually better and more desirable.
>
> Or when the manufacturing ships from USA to somewhere else.
>
> Or when Lisa hand winds toroids in the rig.  Those who have a rig with
> Lisa toroids have something very unique.  Those rigs should have gone
> out with a certificate of authenticity stamped with the rig's SN and
> Lisa's signature.
>
> - Keith N1AS -
> - K2 5411.ssb.100 -
> - K3 Wave 3 -
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[Scott Manthe]

The Apple Lisa's absurdly high price probably had some impact on the
demand for it. $9,000 for a personal computer was a bit high for most
people in 1980.

73,
Scott, N9AA

Bill W5WVO wrote:

> <LOL> That's been done before. Anybody remember the short-lived Apple
> Lisa computer (~1979 I think)? Rumor had it that it was named after
> Steve Jobs' (or Steve Wozniak's) girlfriend. It was a complete failure
> in the marketplace for some reason. Long time ago... For whatever
> reason, it just wasn't what the personal computer market wanted at the
> time. But they kept right on pushing Apple IIs out the door until the
> Mac came out.
>
> Bill W5WVO
>

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