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Matthew Cook

Re: K3 Display is Dated...

Good to see this functionality being added to N1MM, with luck some of the
SDR developers will pick this up and it can be implemented externally to
the K-line.

To be honest for situational awareness during a contest having a 24"
monitor with 2.5M or more pixels (or larger) above the desk fed with an SDR
that's sitting in the RX Loop of the K3 monitoring the entire HF band
(>300kHz) gives you both the resolution bandwidth AND video bandwidth
necessary to process this information.

I've seen a similar concept in one of the Mac based loggers (MacLoggerDX?)
where spots are placed across a pseudo frequency dial, it doesn't take long
on a low res screen for it to become unreadable and unusable.

The additional info from N1MM on top of a waterfall display will make this
all the better for search and pounce contest operation. This feature is
one of the situations where size does matter.

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

On 31 May 2017 at 11:28, Luis V. Romero <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I completely agree with Ken K6MR!
>
> I rarely, if ever, touch the radio. I sometimes twirl the main VFO knobs,
> but frankly, out of habit.
>
> 90% of my interface is via the computer keyboard (N1MMLogger +. Oh, yes,
> I'm
> one of those "Durn Contesters!").
>
> But there are very interesting things on the horizon.
>
> I had a very long talk with Tom Wagner, N1MM at the Dayton Contest Suite
> Friday night while Spurious Emissions played in the other room. He showed
> me his new Logger feature: I call it "Active Bandmap". It's a bandmap
> window that integrates live information from an Icom 7300 spectrum display
> and the spotting network data and displays it, dynamically, right on the
> logger screen. It integrates spots, signal strength and labels the pips
> with the callsign from spot data.
>
> I have a friend with a 7300 and will start playing with this feature next
> week (I have a repeater to install this week <sigh>).
>
> This, folks, is what I attempt to do on my P3 display (I do not have the
> VGA
> option, it doesn't do much for me). Marker A. Twist the P3 knob. Drop
> Marker
> A on a pip. Push the knob in. Call the station. Repeat. But don't do it as
> much as I want to as it takes my hands off the keyboard.
>
> I have *ALWAYS* wanted to be able to do this right on the N1MMLogger
> screen,
> under N1MMLogger *KEYBOARD* control (Shift Up Arrow/Shift Down Arrow. I'm
> not much of a mouser.). Tom has implemented the functionality EXACTLY as I
> envisioned it. But it currently works only on an Icom 7300 and, in the
> future, other similar Icom transceivers. (Yes, I know Flex rigs can do
> this:
> No I don't think their receivers and Maestro's touch screen workflow are
> not
> up to the challenge. yet.)
>
> I am aware that details towards the implementation of this functionality
> has
> been made known to Elecraft. Tom basically has developed an "API" that
> defines how to format serial data to create a similar display from any
> modern Panadaptor display equipped transceiver with serial or "faux" serial
> over USB communications capability.
>
> I would recommend that the contest ops among us (and others who like this
> kind of stuff) investigate this functionality in N1MMLogger + and see how
> it
> may improve your Search and Pounce workflow efficiency.
>
> I also *strongly* encourage Wayne and Eric and the Elecraft Product
> Managers
> to start down the road of implementing this functionality before
> Icom/Somebody else comes out with a radio that challenges K3's performance
> capability.
>
> 73
>
> Lu Romero - W4LT
> Tampa, FL
>
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Nr4c

Re: K3 Display is Dated...

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I'm not sure why users get so involved in a discussion on topics like this. The amber LCD display is part of the Elecraft image. They use it on the K3, KX2, KX3 and K3S. It's not going to change so pick another battle! One you can win.

Or, wait for the K4 in a couple years and it will likely have all or most features that have been suggested but never added to the K3 line.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

> On May 30, 2017, at 9:00 PM, brian <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> Agree. However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions that were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in concrete.
>
> Things like a flashing decimal point. What the heck does that mean?
> There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit from some more obvious icon.
>
> It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3 data mode is being used.
>
> The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with no computer. Logging programs generally solve the above problems.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
>
>
>> On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works
>> every time.
>> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey
>> relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and
>> not easily recognized at a glance.
>>
>> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate
>> display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance. Other
>> functions are indicated to tell you what is going on. Everything needed
>> is there.
>>
>> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet. I
>> have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.
>>
>> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus
>> touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example). That
>> uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.
>>
>> 73,

K7TV

Re: K3 Display is Dated...

In reply to this post by Luis V Romero (mobile)

Controls: There are some people for whom everything ought to be controlled
from a general purpose computer, but I think most Elecrafters agree that
"real knobs" are better, and Elecraft has done a superb job in judging what
variables are deserving of the real knob approach. There will always be
things that can be relegated to menus, but to think that touch screens would
make it acceptable to hide more adjustments in menus would be a mistake.
Lots of people seem to find that the IC-7300 menus are a big pain.

Display size: There are good reasons not to make the display bigger:
* I appreciate the modest size and weight of the current K3(s). A bigger
display would require a bigger front panel.
* As others have said: unneeded clutter is distracting. Revealing personal
deficiencies is not pleasant, but I cannot resist. At my age I more and more
experience situations like the following. I go into the kitchen to get a
pair of scissors that reside on the countertop. The scissors have bright
orange handles, and are the only object with such color. The countertop also
has a number of knives and other kitchen implements on it. I stare but don't
immediately find the scissors. Or I may be reading a newspaper when I am
interrupted by a phone call. Years ago, after the phone call my focus goes
back to the paper, and magically, without effort, my eyes would go
immediately to the paragraph and sentence where I had left off. Somehow,
subconsciously, my brain had recorded information about the surrounding text
and so also recorded exactly where I left off. That rarely happens any more,
so I end up spending time searching for where I was. We don't want that to
happen as our gaze moves back and forth between the radio display and the
contest computer screen, or even when looking back and forth between
different items on the radio screen. Another example is reading world news
on the web. It has become very popular to present news items as a
two-dimensional clutter of images, each of which represents a news item. It
makes me confused about which of the items I have already looked at. So much
better to see a one-dimensional bullet list. Yes, the existing K3 display
can also be perceived as a confusing clutter, even if one is familiar with
the displayed items. I would not want to lose any of the displayed items
though. I do wish some of the front panel hardware buttons had different
colors. After a decade of using the K3, I still have to read the labels on
the BAND, MODE and POWER buttons to make sure I push the right one.

Display content: It is very helpful to find the same information in the same
places over the long term. Software developers (I used to be one) like to be
able to create "a new fresh look" every now and then. The fixed format of
the K3(s) LCD is wonderful for preventing such abuse. Nevertheless, I would
consider it an improvement to use a dot-matrix display that can be changed,
as long as that freedom is not used often. The selectivity graphics could be
improved. There could be more specific informaton about the new preamp
settings. Integration between radio and amplifier, while good today, could
go even further. When we are used to press a single button to run the ATU
for a new frequency, do we have to use more than one button after the
amplifier with its ATU is added? (Yeah, I know you don't really have to do
that every day if you rely on the memories, but that is beside the point.)
It would be nice if the radio display could show the amplifier output power.
Etc. Achieving better integration would probably require hardware changes
beyond the display screen, but when we are talking about changing the
display we are already talking about hardware changes in a new model radio.
Do I mean to say that the current display provides all the information we
need? Absolutely not, but the radio is made to suit a wide variety of use
cases. As others have said, a PC display can provide additonal information,
and it can be tailored to be optimal for a specific purpose, such as
contesting. Trying to provide all the information for all types of use on a
single screen is a recipe for hopeless clutter. Configurability is a nice
idea, but I wouldn't personally want to spend the time to use it for most
things. Life is too short to keep reinventing the wheel that others have
spent many hours on, and then save and backup my personal choices,
especially for the basic display items that most everyone needs. Having the
spectrum on a separate device such as the P3 is to me a positive, as the
very different look of the screen helps the brain go to the correct screen
without thinking, while avoiding having to search among many items on a
given screen. That said, the separate spectrum screen could be even more
useful by showing more spectrum-related information, including even spots
from an external program such as a contest logger.

Display color: Adding color to the radio display could be useful in helping
the eye find and return to specific items. However the implementer would
have to be very careful, as many people are to some degree color blind, and
the worst case is where a display item would look too dim to an affected
individual. I believe my vision is normal, but many times I run across a web
page using a lot of deep blue text that seems so dark as to be almost
unreadable. I would not be surprised if some buyers of currently available
radios with colorful displays find some particular colors annoying. Maybe
color is one case where configurability would make sense: Use knob to move
through all display fields, and for the currently highlighted field let the
user rotate through a number of possible color selections.

73,
Erik K7TV

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Good to see this functionality being added to N1MM, with luck some of the
SDR developers will pick this up and it can be implemented externally to the
K-line.

To be honest for situational awareness during a contest having a 24"
monitor with 2.5M or more pixels (or larger) above the desk fed with an SDR
that's sitting in the RX Loop of the K3 monitoring the entire HF band
(>300kHz) gives you both the resolution bandwidth AND video bandwidth
necessary to process this information.

I've seen a similar concept in one of the Mac based loggers (MacLoggerDX?)
where spots are placed across a pseudo frequency dial, it doesn't take long
on a low res screen for it to become unreadable and unusable.

The additional info from N1MM on top of a waterfall display will make this
all the better for search and pounce contest operation. This feature is one
of the situations where size does matter.

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

On 31 May 2017 at 11:28, Luis V. Romero <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I completely agree with Ken K6MR!
>
> I rarely, if ever, touch the radio. I sometimes twirl the main VFO
> knobs, but frankly, out of habit.
>
> 90% of my interface is via the computer keyboard (N1MMLogger +. Oh,
> yes, I'm one of those "Durn Contesters!").
>
> But there are very interesting things on the horizon.
>
> I had a very long talk with Tom Wagner, N1MM at the Dayton Contest
> Suite Friday night while Spurious Emissions played in the other room.
> He showed me his new Logger feature: I call it "Active Bandmap". It's
> a bandmap window that integrates live information from an Icom 7300
> spectrum display and the spotting network data and displays it,
> dynamically, right on the logger screen. It integrates spots, signal
> strength and labels the pips with the callsign from spot data.
>
> I have a friend with a 7300 and will start playing with this feature
> next week (I have a repeater to install this week <sigh>).
>
> This, folks, is what I attempt to do on my P3 display (I do not have
> the VGA option, it doesn't do much for me). Marker A. Twist the P3
> knob. Drop Marker A on a pip. Push the knob in. Call the station.
> Repeat. But don't do it as much as I want to as it takes my hands off
> the keyboard.
>
> I have *ALWAYS* wanted to be able to do this right on the N1MMLogger
> screen, under N1MMLogger *KEYBOARD* control (Shift Up Arrow/Shift Down
> Arrow. I'm not much of a mouser.). Tom has implemented the
> functionality EXACTLY as I envisioned it. But it currently works only
> on an Icom 7300 and, in the future, other similar Icom transceivers.
> (Yes, I know Flex rigs can do
> this:
> No I don't think their receivers and Maestro's touch screen workflow
> are not up to the challenge. yet.)
>
> I am aware that details towards the implementation of this
> functionality has been made known to Elecraft. Tom basically has
> developed an "API" that defines how to format serial data to create a
> similar display from any modern Panadaptor display equipped
> transceiver with serial or "faux" serial over USB communications
> capability.
>
> I would recommend that the contest ops among us (and others who like
> this kind of stuff) investigate this functionality in N1MMLogger + and
> see how it may improve your Search and Pounce workflow efficiency.
>
> I also *strongly* encourage Wayne and Eric and the Elecraft Product
> Managers to start down the road of implementing this functionality
> before Icom/Somebody else comes out with a radio that challenges K3's
> performance capability.
>
> 73
>
> Lu Romero - W4LT
> Tampa, FL
>
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Bob-270

Re: K3 Display is Dated...

In reply to this post by Nr4c

Looks like there is a winner somewhere. The Image is changing. Look at the
display in the KPA1500.

A preview of something to match?

73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR

On 5/31/2017 12:03 AM, Nr4c wrote:

> I'm not sure why users get so involved in a discussion on topics like this. The amber LCD display is part of the Elecraft image. They use it on the K3, KX2, KX3 and K3S. It's not going to change so pick another battle! One you can win.
>
> Or, wait for the K4 in a couple years and it will likely have all or most features that have been suggested but never added to the K3 line.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ..nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On May 30, 2017, at 9:00 PM, brian <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> Agree. However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions that were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in concrete.
>>
>> Things like a flashing decimal point. What the heck does that mean?
>> There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit from some more obvious icon.
>>
>> It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3 data mode is being used.
>>
>> The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with no computer. Logging programs generally solve the above problems.
>>
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works
>>> every time.
>>> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey
>>> relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and
>>> not easily recognized at a glance.
>>>
>>> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate
>>> display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance. Other
>>> functions are indicated to tell you what is going on. Everything needed
>>> is there.
>>>
>>> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet. I
>>> have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.
>>>
>>> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus
>>> touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example). That
>>> uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.
>>>
>>> 73,

K7TV

Re: K3 Display is Dated...

In reply to this post by Nr4c

Just for the record, when I refer to a possible dot matrix display for a
radio, I envision something with the resolution of an iPad, i.e. you can't
see the dots, and it can be made to look exactly like the current display.

73,
Erik

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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:22 PM
To: Nr4c <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Looks like there is a winner somewhere. The Image is changing. Look at the
display in the KPA1500.

A preview of something to match?

73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR

On 5/31/2017 12:03 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> I'm not sure why users get so involved in a discussion on topics like
this. The amber LCD display is part of the Elecraft image. They use it on
the K3, KX2, KX3 and K3S. It's not going to change so pick another battle!
One you can win.
>
> Or, wait for the K4 in a couple years and it will likely have all or most
features that have been suggested but never added to the K3 line.

>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ..nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On May 30, 2017, at 9:00 PM, brian <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> Agree. However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions

that were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in
concrete.
>>
>> Things like a flashing decimal point. What the heck does that mean?
>> There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit
from some more obvious icon.
>>
>> It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3
data mode is being used.
>>
>> The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with
no computer. Logging programs generally solve the above problems.

>>
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works
>>> every time.
>>> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not
>>> convey relevant information, or that information is buried in the
>>> 'glitz' and not easily recognized at a glance.
>>>
>>> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate
>>> display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance. Other
>>> functions are indicated to tell you what is going on. Everything
>>> needed is there.
>>>
>>> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.
>>> I have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.
>>>
>>> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus
>>> touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).
>>> That uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.
>>>
>>> 73,

k6dgw

Re: K3 Display is Dated...

In reply to this post by alorona

I am colorblind... as in monochrome. The color waterfall on the P3 is
barely usable for me. The monochrome option is perfect. I've used an
IC-7600 and a PRO3 on county expeditions for the Cal QSOwhich
[apparently] are quite colorful. It's a real strain for me. K3 is just
fine the way it is. My Heath MM-1 is certainly "dated." It works just fine.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/30/2017 4:19 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
> Whenever this thread comes up-- and it has several times before-- I usually point toward the displays on the most advanced commercial aircraft in the skies for comparison. In this context, a pilot needs to know a few (or several) critical pieces of information instantly, and easily, and can't be captivated by eye candy. If your shiny new Kensucom's display looked like this, you probably wouldn't buy it:
>
> http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max/news/new-flight-deck-displays.page (watch closely at the 0:43 mark)
>

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Drew AF2Z

Re: K3 Display is Dated...

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I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these
two rules:

1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge
screen".)

2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position,
rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located
directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed.

IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and
having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what
the state of that control is.

I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying
rig to operate.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:

> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>
>
>
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Nr4c

Re: K3 Display is Dated...

And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV.

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> On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two rules:
>
> 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge screen".)
>
> 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed.
>
> IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of that control is.
>
> I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig to operate.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>> On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>> -----
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Drew AF2Z

Re: K3 Display is Dated...

Not at all. Slightly large than a K3 perhaps. And requiring several
separated LCD panels instead of the "one big display" design.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On 06/01/17 10:39, Nr4c wrote:

> And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two rules:
>>
>> 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge screen".)
>>
>> 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed.
>>
>> IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of that control is.
>>
>> I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig to operate.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>>
>>
>>> On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
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Re: K3 Display is Dated...

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> On Jun 4, 2017, at 4:35 AM, Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Not at all. Slightly large than a K3 perhaps. And requiring several separated LCD panels instead of the "one big display" design.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
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>
>> On 06/01/17 10:39, Nr4c wrote:
>> And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV.
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>> ...nr4c. bill
>>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two rules:
>>>
>>> 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge screen".)
>>>
>>> 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed.
>>>
>>> IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of that control is.
>>>
>>> I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig to operate.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Drew
>>> AF2Z
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>>>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>>>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>>>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>>>> -----
>>>> Chuck, KE9UW
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