K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400
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Hi to the Group.
Sorry if this is a bit OT, but here goes. I'm just getting back into data modes (first time on K3), particularly WSPR. It's great that the K3 provides Lines In & Out obviating the need for terminal units and such. Snag is, the Dell's integral SoundMax, although it has Line In that receives well from the K3 Line Out, doesn't seem to have any provision of Line Out that I can see. Just teeing off the line to the usual amplified speakers seems a bit crude and adding an outboard sound card is expensive and rather negates the K3's advantage. I'd be interested if anyone has found a more elegant way of using this particular computer. 73 de Alan G4LWA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I read the following when reviewing the specs on your computer:
five connectors for line-in, line-out, microphone, surround, and center/Low Frequency Effects (LFE) channel; one front-panel connector for headphones I don't know what more you would need but maybe it's time for a Signalink USB. --- On Tue, 4/27/10, ALAN GARD <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: ALAN GARD <[hidden email]> > Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400 > To: "Elecraft Mailman" <[hidden email]> > Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 11:03 AM > Hi to the Group. > > Sorry if this is a bit OT, but here goes. > > I'm just getting back into data modes (first time on K3), > particularly WSPR. It's great that the K3 provides Lines > In & Out obviating the need for terminal units and > such. > > Snag is, the Dell's integral SoundMax, although it has Line > In that receives well from the K3 Line Out, doesn't seem to > have any provision of Line Out that I can see. Just teeing > off the line to the usual amplified speakers seems a bit > crude and adding an outboard sound card is expensive and > rather negates the K3's advantage. > > I'd be interested if anyone has found a more elegant way of > using this particular computer. > > 73 de Alan G4LWA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400
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> Snag is, the Dell's integral SoundMax, although it has Line In > that receives well from the K3 Line Out, doesn't seem to have > any provision of Line Out that I can see. Just teeing off the > line to the usual amplified speakers seems a bit crude and > adding an outboard sound card is expensive and rather negates > the K3's advantage. I don't know that adding an outboard (USB) soundcard is necessarily expensive and there are some significant advantages in a separate soundcard connected to the radio. If all you need is the sound card (that is you don't want additional functions like rig control or voice keyer, etc.) you can get a pure USB soundcard for less that $25: For "digital mode" use only, a C-Media based "dongle" with combined line/mic in and stereo line out is less that $20: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829128002 If you want separate mic and line in for use with contest software like WriteLog or N1MM Logger, a suitable device is the GWC AA 1500 for $22 or Encore ENMAB-8CM for $25: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829126101 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829180006 Neither device is a "high end" soundcard and will not compete with the e-mu and m-Audio devices used with LP-Pan or Softrock for panadapter operation but they are solid mid-performance devices that provide more than adequate performance for amateur audio based digital modes (e.g. Line in/Line Out operation). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/27/2010 1:03 PM, ALAN GARD wrote: > Hi to the Group. > > Sorry if this is a bit OT, but here goes. > > I'm just getting back into data modes (first time on K3), particularly WSPR. It's great that the K3 provides Lines In& Out obviating the need for terminal units and such. > > Snag is, the Dell's integral SoundMax, although it has Line In that receives well from the K3 Line Out, doesn't seem to have any provision of Line Out that I can see. Just teeing off the line to the usual amplified speakers seems a bit crude and adding an outboard sound card is expensive and rather negates the K3's advantage. > > I'd be interested if anyone has found a more elegant way of using this particular computer. > > 73 de Alan G4LWA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400
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I recently went through all this.
A Signalink is not necessary since the K3 already does internally what the Singalink does other than the sound card. They run about $100. I was warned away from the cheapest USB sound card dongles and I ended up spending about $30 for something with a volume control. It works fine. Need to play with audio levels. I used Ham Radio Deluxe and DM780. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ALAN GARD Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:04 AM To: Elecraft Mailman Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400 Hi to the Group. Sorry if this is a bit OT, but here goes. I'm just getting back into data modes (first time on K3), particularly WSPR. It's great that the K3 provides Lines In & Out obviating the need for terminal units and such. Snag is, the Dell's integral SoundMax, although it has Line In that receives well from the K3 Line Out, doesn't seem to have any provision of Line Out that I can see. Just teeing off the line to the usual amplified speakers seems a bit crude and adding an outboard sound card is expensive and rather negates the K3's advantage. I'd be interested if anyone has found a more elegant way of using this particular computer. 73 de Alan G4LWA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400
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I was thinking of getting the signalLink for the K2
-----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of George A. Thornton Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:33 PM To: ALAN GARD; Elecraft Mailman Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400 I recently went through all this. A Signalink is not necessary since the K3 already does internally what the Singalink does other than the sound card. They run about $100. I was warned away from the cheapest USB sound card dongles and I ended up spending about $30 for something with a volume control. It works fine. Need to play with audio levels. I used Ham Radio Deluxe and DM780. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ALAN GARD Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:04 AM To: Elecraft Mailman Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400 Hi to the Group. Sorry if this is a bit OT, but here goes. I'm just getting back into data modes (first time on K3), particularly WSPR. It's great that the K3 provides Lines In & Out obviating the need for terminal units and such. Snag is, the Dell's integral SoundMax, although it has Line In that receives well from the K3 Line Out, doesn't seem to have any provision of Line Out that I can see. Just teeing off the line to the usual amplified speakers seems a bit crude and adding an outboard sound card is expensive and rather negates the K3's advantage. I'd be interested if anyone has found a more elegant way of using this particular computer. 73 de Alan G4LWA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400
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On 4/27/2010 4:52 PM, Dickinson, Joe wrote: > I was thinking of getting the signalLink for the K2 Why bother? Add Don's fixed level output and use one of the $20 - $25 USB soundcards. A lot less expensive and every bit as effective/functional as the Signalink. If you need the automatic soundcard VOX make up the KH6TY interface from QST without the transformers (circuit boards from Far Circuits) - still a lot less expensive than Signalink. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/27/2010 4:52 PM, Dickinson, Joe wrote: > I was thinking of getting the signalLink for the K2 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of George A. Thornton > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:33 PM > To: ALAN GARD; Elecraft Mailman > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400 > > I recently went through all this. > > A Signalink is not necessary since the K3 already does internally what the Singalink does other than the sound card. They run about $100. > > I was warned away from the cheapest USB sound card dongles and I ended up spending about $30 for something with a volume control. It works fine. > > Need to play with audio levels. > > I used Ham Radio Deluxe and DM780. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ALAN GARD > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:04 AM > To: Elecraft Mailman > Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400 > > Hi to the Group. > > Sorry if this is a bit OT, but here goes. > > I'm just getting back into data modes (first time on K3), particularly WSPR. It's great that the K3 provides Lines In& Out obviating the need for terminal units and such. > > Snag is, the Dell's integral SoundMax, although it has Line In that receives well from the K3 Line Out, doesn't seem to have any provision of Line Out that I can see. Just teeing off the line to the usual amplified speakers seems a bit crude and adding an outboard sound card is expensive and rather negates the K3's advantage. > > I'd be interested if anyone has found a more elegant way of using this particular computer. > > 73 de Alan G4LWA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400
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Joe,
I am assuming you are referring to the W3FPR Don's Fixed Audio Output fpr the K2. Yes, that is a good solution, but unfortunately, there are no more boards available for purchase. Tom Hammond has the board layout and other info on his website www.n0ss.net for the boards that fit between the K2 front panel and the Control Board, and my website www.w3fpr.com has information about the original design. Tom has the board layout, and is willing to provide it to anyone interested. Actually, the circuit is not complex and can be quickly implemented on perfboard for a one-off implementation. If you experience hum or other audio problems with a direct connection to the computer, you may follow the advice of Jim Brown K9YC for curing that condition, or just add transformers in the path (transformers from defunct computer modem cards work well). The K3 has line-in and line-out connectors built in, along eith isolation transformers - the K2 does not, it was designed before the popularity of digital modes (other than RTTY) 73, Don W3FPR Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > On 4/27/2010 4:52 PM, Dickinson, Joe wrote: > > I was thinking of getting the signalLink for the K2 > > Why bother? Add Don's fixed level output and use one of the > $20 - $25 USB soundcards. A lot less expensive and every bit > as effective/functional as the Signalink. If you need the > automatic soundcard VOX make up the KH6TY interface from QST > without the transformers (circuit boards from Far Circuits) > - still a lot less expensive than Signalink. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > On 4/27/2010 4:52 PM, Dickinson, Joe wrote: > >> I was thinking of getting the signalLink for the K2 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of George A. Thornton >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:33 PM >> To: ALAN GARD; Elecraft Mailman >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400 >> >> I recently went through all this. >> >> A Signalink is not necessary since the K3 already does internally what the Singalink does other than the sound card. They run about $100. >> >> I was warned away from the cheapest USB sound card dongles and I ended up spending about $30 for something with a volume control. It works fine. >> >> Need to play with audio levels. >> >> I used Ham Radio Deluxe and DM780. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ALAN GARD >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:04 AM >> To: Elecraft Mailman >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400 >> >> Hi to the Group. >> >> Sorry if this is a bit OT, but here goes. >> >> I'm just getting back into data modes (first time on K3), particularly WSPR. It's great that the K3 provides Lines In& Out obviating the need for terminal units and such. >> >> Snag is, the Dell's integral SoundMax, although it has Line In that receives well from the K3 Line Out, doesn't seem to have any provision of Line Out that I can see. Just teeing off the line to the usual amplified speakers seems a bit crude and adding an outboard sound card is expensive and rather negates the K3's advantage. >> >> I'd be interested if anyone has found a more elegant way of using this particular computer. >> >> 73 de Alan G4LWA >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3: Driving Data Modes Using Dell Dimension 8400
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I built and installed one of Don's Fixed Audio Outputs on perfboard a month
or so back, and it works beautifully. Thanks, Don! Chuck, NN7U >I am assuming you are referring to the W3FPR Don's Fixed Audio Output fpr the K2. Yes, that is a good solution, but unfortunately, there are no more boards available for purchase. Tom Hammond has the board layout and other info on his website www.n0ss.net for the boards that fit between the K2 front panel and the Control Board, and my website www.w3fpr.com has information about the original design. Tom has the board layout, and is willing to provide it to anyone interested. Actually, the circuit is not complex and can be quickly implemented on perfboard for a one-off implementation. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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