K3 EZ and .NET

[rfenabled]

Ok, the reason for me not wanting the .NET software is as follows:
1. The program will run "off line for a limited time" and then want to go to Microsoft for updating.
2. It is not a particularly fast program and has caused a few issues in the past. Some folks have suggested that it is easier for software developers to use .NET to write programs etc.

In my case, I run my K3 from my motorhome in remote areas that have no access to the internet for me and therefore I do not want web dependant programs on my computer.

I can appreciate that my requirements are unique and would suit very few K3 owners and therefore I was only asking IF there was a version of EZ K3 which could be used without the Microsoft .NET software.

I did not expect that I would be that lucky..:-)

Hope this clarifies my question somewhat.

Gary
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[Doug Person]

Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to just turn automatic updates off when
your not in a good location?

Doug -- K0DXV

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> Ok, the reason for me not wanting the .NET software is as follows:
> 1. The program will run "off line for a limited time" and then want to go to Microsoft for updating.
> 2. It is not a particularly fast program and has caused a few issues in the past. Some folks have suggested that it is easier for software developers to use .NET to write programs etc.
>
> In my case, I run my K3 from my motorhome in remote areas that have no access to the internet for me and therefore I do not want web dependant programs on my computer.
>
> I can appreciate that my requirements are unique and would suit very few K3 owners and therefore I was only asking IF there was a version of EZ K3 which could be used without the Microsoft .NET software.
>
> I did not expect that I would be that lucky..:-)
>
> Hope this clarifies my question somewhat.
>
> Gary
> Vk4WT/P
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[David Woolley (E.L)]

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> 1. The program will run "off line for a limited time" and then want
> to go to Microsoft for updating.

.NET itself does not auto-update.  It is included in Windows Update, so
is potentially updated every second Tuesday of the month, but, in my
experience, is only rarely updated; IE accounts for a much higher volume
of updates.

You can set updating to manual and select only the desired updates.  The
only real problem with that is that you have to be very careful where
you go on the internet, to avoid getting infected by malware that
exploits the bugs fixed by the updates.

It is relatively slow, but part of that is the result of the general
software bloat which strives to cancel out Moore's law.  I should be
faster than purely interpreted versions of Visual Basic, as it uses just
in time compiling to produce optimised code when it is run.

There are non-Windows implementations of Common Language Runtime, the
underlying technology, although these do tend to be rather slow, as they
    only do a shallow translation to machine code

None of this should indicate that I wouldn't prefer open source C code.

It is very unlikely that code re-written for .NET will get rewritten, by
its original authors, for any older technology.
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[David Woolley (E.L)]

One other thing about .NET is that Microsoft provide free graphical
development tools, and even the professional Microsoft development tools
are primarily for .NET.  That means that anyone who is doing small scale
Windows development, and isn't heavily into the use of open source tool
chains, is more or less forced into using .NET, especially if the
program has a GUI.

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[Julian, G4ILO]

David Woolley (E.L) wrote

One other thing about .NET is that Microsoft provide free graphical
development tools, and even the professional Microsoft development tools
are primarily for .NET.  That means that anyone who is doing small scale
Windows development, and isn't heavily into the use of open source tool
chains, is more or less forced into using .NET, especially if the
program has a GUI.

Well they could use Lazarus http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/ a free open source development tool based on Free Pascal that looks a lot like Borland Delphi. It produces Windows binary executables that don't require .NET. There are also versions for Linux and Mac OS that can create executables for those platforms from the same source code. It's what I use to create KComm.