K3 - FSK hookup to ACC connector

[N2TK]

Just want to make sure before I plug it in.

For FSK, the manual states that pin #1 (FSK IN) in ACC jack has a pull-up
resistor to 5V. So I assume the standard NPN interface from a COM port will
work fine for that.

Pin #4(PTT IN) doesn't state it also has a 5V pull-up resistor. Does it so I
can use the same NPN type setup?

By the way, thanks for all the input I have received on setting up for RTTY
with my K3 and DXbase. Based on several inputs I am using Hamscope which
seems to interface well with the K3 and DXbase. AFSK is working fine with
just two cables between the K3 (LINE-IN and LINE-OUT) and audio card on PC.
Now I want to set up for FSK.

73,
N2TK, Tony
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[KK7P]

> Pin #4(PTT IN) doesn't state it also has a 5V pull-up resistor. Does it so I
> can use the same NPN type setup?

PTT has a pull up.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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[N2TK]

Lyle,
Tnx for the info.

Both pins measure 5V. I set up both lines with NPN's.

When I plug in the cable to any COM port I go into transmit mode. It seems I
am getting 11V on pin #7 on any of the 4 Com ports on my PC. Do you know if
I need to change the configuration of my COM ports so I don't get the 11V
all the time?

In the meantime I am using PTT over the radio control serial cable.

73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyle Johnson [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:32 AM
To: N2TK
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - FSK hookup to ACC connector

> Pin #4(PTT IN) doesn't state it also has a 5V pull-up resistor. Does it so
I
> can use the same NPN type setup?

PTT has a pull up.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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[David Woolley (E.L)]

N2TK wrote:

> For FSK, the manual states that pin #1 (FSK IN) in ACC jack has a pull-up
> resistor to 5V. So I assume the standard NPN interface from a COM port will
> work fine for that.

Standard COM ports are *not* open collector.  They have to actively
drive in both directions.  Any input to which you connect them needs to
tolerate up to 12 volts open circuit voltage, in either polarity, with a
300 ohm source impedance.  This may well require protection diodes to
prevent the substrate diode on the receiver being forward biassed.  It
might also require clamping the positive excursions to less than 5 volts.

I'd suggest the simplest approach is to use a resistor and an
opto-isolator, with a reverse diode across the isolator input, to avoid
reverse breakdown of the LED.





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[David Woolley (E.L)]

N2TK wrote:
>
> For FSK, the manual states that pin #1 (FSK IN) in ACC jack has a pull-up
> resistor to 5V. So I assume the standard NPN interface from a COM port will
> work fine for that.

It has been pointed out to me, off list, that the standard interface
here might not actually be referring to the standard interface of a COM
port, but to a commonly used interface circuit between the COM port and
the transceiver key input, such as given in
<http://www.aa5au.com/gettingstarted/rtty_start6.htm> in relation to the
MMTTY software.

If that was what you did mean, the circuit I was referred to is an open
collector NPN buffer with a 1K base resistor.  I was going to say that
that circuit would work, but the more I think about it, the less I like
it.  The absolute maximum emitter base voltage for this sort of
transistor is typically 5 or 6 volts, and this circuit will try to
exceed it by a good 4 to 5 volts.  I guess the junctions zeners and the
resistor limits the current to levels that don't cause damage, but it is
still operating out of its safe operating area.  That can be fixed by
putting a diode across the base and emitter.  (Alternatively, as a
result of production spreads, many specimens of the transistor may
actually have break down voltages that are high enough not to cause a
problem.)

Also, 1K is far too low a value.  To comply with RS232, it needs to be
at least 4K, and assuming the pullup is the internal pullup in a PIC and
and using a 2N2222 as an example, the current gain will be at least 35,
which means that a resistor of several 100K will saturate the device
when driven from an in spec serial port (820K for a standard value,
maybe 470K, for some safety margin).

I still prefer the opto-isolator approach, because it is intrinsically
safer and gives very good RF isolation.  With a (Darlington)
opto-isolator, interface the K2 PTT, I used 5.1K resistors, but such
isolators only have current transfer ratios of around unity.



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