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K3 Feature Idea

Brett Howard
Not too long ago there was some debate about the Fast QSY function that
can be used if you set VFO OFS = 1.  

There were those who feel that the fast QSY function should *not* clear
the LSB's so that if you use it (or perhaps accidentally bump it) you
have an easier time getting back to the frequency that you were
previously on.  

However there are those who have grown accustomed to the M.CH knob on
Kenwood rigs that allow for 1Khz movement but it *does* clear the LSB's
and allows you to tune the band in a channelized fashion.  Personally I
kinda wish that we'd use the band in a more random fashion and less like
CBer's but thats just me... ;)

Any way I had a thought.  Being that the CLR button has no function when
the user is simply listening with RIT and XIT off why not have that
button clear the 3 LSBs.  That way if you want the first scenario
mentioned above you simply grab the knob and crank away.  However if you
prefer the second scenario you only have tap that CLR switch.  This is a
very simple action and one can hit this button in the same motion while
reaching for the knob.

Anyone have thoughts?

~Brett


PS:  Sorry for more nit picks on the K3 guys but honestly I think we're
at this level now...  For me the K3 works wonderfully.  Granted I know
that with this group out here there will be more great ideas and some
more big exciting firmware releases are on the way!  Sometimes its hard
to come up with solutions that keep everyone happy.  Here is my attempt
at one.

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Re: K3 Feature Idea

Brendan Minish
On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 04:12 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:

> Any way I had a thought.  Being that the CLR button has no function when
> the user is simply listening with RIT and XIT off why not have that
> button clear the 3 LSBs.  


I like it a lot, as long as another press of clear restores the offset
again, IF RIT CLR is set to UNDO (as mine permanently is..)


--
73
Brendan EI6IZ

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Re: K3 Feature Idea

Jon Kåre Hellan
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Brett Howard wrote:

> Not too long ago there was some debate about the Fast QSY function that
> can be used if you set VFO OFS = 1.  
>
> There were those who feel that the fast QSY function should *not* clear
> the LSB's so that if you use it (or perhaps accidentally bump it) you
> have an easier time getting back to the frequency that you were
> previously on.  
>
> However there are those who have grown accustomed to the M.CH knob on
> Kenwood rigs that allow for 1Khz movement but it *does* clear the LSB's
> and allows you to tune the band in a channelized fashion.  Personally I
> kinda wish that we'd use the band in a more random fashion and less like
> CBer's but thats just me... ;)
>

Oh yes, I remember the M.CH. knob. There must have been some function on that knob
that I actually used. I know because I got a number of "half QSOs" on my TS-570 by
turning that knob by mistake. Mine was configured to 10 kHz jumps, so getting back
wasn't easy. On a few occasions, I had been recently spotted on the cluster, so I
could find the frequency there.

73
Jon LA4RT
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Re: K3 Feature Idea

Dave, G4AON
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On Kenwood transceivers there is a menu option to either have the Multi
knob leave the least significant digits alone or round them off, it's
menu item #5 on a TS-480.

73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100, TS-480SAT
======================

>/ However there are those who have grown accustomed to the M.CH knob on
/>/ Kenwood rigs that allow for 1Khz movement but it *does* clear the LSB's
/>/ and allows you to tune the band in a channelized fashion. Personally I
/>/ kinda wish that we'd use the band in a more random fashion and less like
/>/ CBer's but thats just me... ;)
/>/
/
Oh yes, I remember the M.CH. knob. There must have been some function on
that knob
that I actually used. I know because I got a number of "half QSOs" on my
TS-570 by
turning that knob by mistake. Mine was configured to 10 kHz jumps, so
getting back
wasn't easy. On a few occasions, I had been recently spotted on the
cluster, so I
could find the frequency there.

73
Jon LA4RT
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Re: K3 Feature Idea

wayne burdick
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I plan to change VFO coarse tuning in general so that it quantizes.  
Tapping CLR to accomplish this strikes me as further control  
overloading, which I want to avoid. Besides that, CLR clears the RIT  
offset even if RIT is off.

Wayne

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2009, at 4:12 AM, Brett Howard <[hidden email]>  
wrote:

> Not too long ago there was some debate about the Fast QSY function  
> that
> can be used if you set VFO OFS = 1.
>
> There were those who feel that the fast QSY function should *not*  
> clear
> the LSB's so that if you use it (or perhaps accidentally bump it) you
> have an easier time getting back to the frequency that you were
> previously on.
>
> However there are those who have grown accustomed to the M.CH knob on
> Kenwood rigs that allow for 1Khz movement but it *does* clear the  
> LSB's
> and allows you to tune the band in a channelized fashion.  
> Personally I
> kinda wish that we'd use the band in a more random fashion and less  
> like
> CBer's but thats just me... ;)
>
> Any way I had a thought.  Being that the CLR button has no function  
> when
> the user is simply listening with RIT and XIT off why not have that
> button clear the 3 LSBs.  That way if you want the first scenario
> mentioned above you simply grab the knob and crank away.  However if  
> you
> prefer the second scenario you only have tap that CLR switch.  This  
> is a
> very simple action and one can hit this button in the same motion  
> while
> reaching for the knob.
>
> Anyone have thoughts?
>
> ~Brett
>
>
> PS:  Sorry for more nit picks on the K3 guys but honestly I think  
> we're
> at this level now...  For me the K3 works wonderfully.  Granted I know
> that with this group out here there will be more great ideas and some
> more big exciting firmware releases are on the way!  Sometimes its  
> hard
> to come up with solutions that keep everyone happy.  Here is my  
> attempt
> at one.
>
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Re: K3 Feature Idea

Mike-39
Quantizes? What's that mean?  ;-o

Mike NF4L

Wayne Burdick wrote:

> I plan to change VFO coarse tuning in general so that it quantizes.  
> Tapping CLR to accomplish this strikes me as further control  
> overloading, which I want to avoid. Besides that, CLR clears the RIT  
> offset even if RIT is off.
>
> Wayne
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 21, 2009, at 4:12 AM, Brett Howard <[hidden email]>  
> wrote:
>
>  
>> Not too long ago there was some debate about the Fast QSY function  
>> that
>> can be used if you set VFO OFS = 1.
>>
>> There were those who feel that the fast QSY function should *not*  
>> clear
>> the LSB's so that if you use it (or perhaps accidentally bump it) you
>> have an easier time getting back to the frequency that you were
>> previously on.
>>
>> However there are those who have grown accustomed to the M.CH knob on
>> Kenwood rigs that allow for 1Khz movement but it *does* clear the  
>> LSB's
>> and allows you to tune the band in a channelized fashion.  
>> Personally I
>> kinda wish that we'd use the band in a more random fashion and less  
>> like
>> CBer's but thats just me... ;)
>>
>> Any way I had a thought.  Being that the CLR button has no function  
>> when
>> the user is simply listening with RIT and XIT off why not have that
>> button clear the 3 LSBs.  That way if you want the first scenario
>> mentioned above you simply grab the knob and crank away.  However if  
>> you
>> prefer the second scenario you only have tap that CLR switch.  This  
>> is a
>> very simple action and one can hit this button in the same motion  
>> while
>> reaching for the knob.
>>
>> Anyone have thoughts?
>>
>> ~Brett
>>
>>
>> PS:  Sorry for more nit picks on the K3 guys but honestly I think  
>> we're
>> at this level now...  For me the K3 works wonderfully.  Granted I know
>> that with this group out here there will be more great ideas and some
>> more big exciting firmware releases are on the way!  Sometimes its  
>> hard
>> to come up with solutions that keep everyone happy.  Here is my  
>> attempt
>> at one.
>>
>>    
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Re: K3 Feature Idea

wayne burdick
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Sorry -- geekSpeak  :)

Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further  
assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e.,  
your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go  
into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with  
present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: "quantized" to the  
nearest "quantum" which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0  
kHz.

The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled for  
use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT (see  
CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the VFO when  
it is in COARSE mode.

The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected  
(e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more consistent  
with present behavior.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Mike wrote:

> Quantizes? What's that mean?  ;-o
>
> Mike NF4L
>
> Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> I plan to change VFO coarse tuning in general so that it quantizes.


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Re: K3 Feature Idea

M0XDF
And something I quite like, since so many ops seem to aim for the .00  
freq anyway.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
--
I don't mind that you think slowly but I do mind that you are publishing
faster than you think.
-Wolfgang Pauli, physicist, Nobel laureate (1900-1958)

On 21 Sep 2009, at 21:52, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Sorry -- geekSpeak  :)
>
> Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further
> assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e.,
> your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go
> into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with
> present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: "quantized" to the
> nearest "quantum" which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0
> kHz.
>
> The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled for
> use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT (see
> CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the VFO when
> it is in COARSE mode.
>
> The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected
> (e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more consistent
> with present behavior.

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Re: K3 Feature Idea

Dave, G4AON
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If I interpret the geekSpeak correctly, this looks like rounding off the
frequency whether the user wants it or not. Coarse tuning rounding off
when using the main tuning control is not a problem, but when the
RIT/XIT tuning control is configured for coarse tuning works just fine
for me the way it is, it is very similar to the implementation from
Kenwood on the TS570 and TS480. Rounding off the frequency when using
the RIT/XIT for tuning is a pain, as an accidental move of that control
means you can't return in a couple of clicks to your original frequency.
The K3 interface already has awkward compromises (accidentally going up
or down a band when turning VOX on, QSK on, not being able to spin
through multiple memories while listening to each one across different
bands, etc.) lets not make it harder to use.

73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
---------------------

Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further
assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e.,
your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go
into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with
present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: "quantized" to the
nearest "quantum" which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0
kHz.

The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled for
use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT (see
CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the VFO when
it is in COARSE mode.

The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected
(e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more consistent
with present behavior.

73,
Wayne
N6KR
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Re: K3 Feature Idea

Don Wilhelm-4
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Wayne,

In the spirit of not desiring "magic buttons", I can say that if I want
that behavior on my radio, I will set the dial (with VFO A knob) to
".00" and then I can use the RIT knob to move in 1 kHz increments.
In other words, I like the behavior as it is now.  If I am tuning the
SSB portion of the band, yes, I will "quantize" the low order digits
manually, but if I am tuning the CW portion, automatically quantizing
the low order digits is not as great an idea - I may want a particular
offset from "00", so let me do it myself if I desire, but please do not
force it on me.

73,
Don W3FPR

Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Sorry -- geekSpeak  :)
>
> Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further  
> assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e.,  
> your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go  
> into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with  
> present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: "quantized" to the  
> nearest "quantum" which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0  
> kHz.
>
> The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled for  
> use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT (see  
> CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the VFO when  
> it is in COARSE mode.
>
> The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected  
> (e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more consistent  
> with present behavior.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>  
>> Quantizes? What's that mean?  ;-o
>>
>> Mike NF4L
>>
>> Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>    
>>> I plan to change VFO coarse tuning in general so that it quantizes.
>>>      
>
>
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Re: K3 Feature Idea

Mike K2MK
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Hi Wayne:

With regard to the VFO coarse tuning. I would use it if it was disabled when
the VFO A LOCK function is active. At the present time, the knob is not
locked out.

I wonder if that was an oversight or if there is a logical operational
reason to keep it enabled.

73,
Mike K2MK




Wayne Burdick
Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:52:58 -0700

Sorry -- geekSpeak  :)

Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further
assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e.,
your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go
into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with
present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: "quantized" to the
nearest "quantum" which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0
kHz.

The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled for
use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT (see
CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the VFO when
it is in COARSE mode.

The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected
(e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more consistent
with present behavior.

73,
Wayne
N6KR
 

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Re: K3 Feature Idea

wayne burdick
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There will be a menu entry.

W

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On Sep 21, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Wayne,
>
> In the spirit of not desiring "magic buttons", I can say that if I  
> want that behavior on my radio, I will set the dial (with VFO A  
> knob) to ".00" and then I can use the RIT knob to move in 1 kHz  
> increments.
> In other words, I like the behavior as it is now.  If I am tuning  
> the SSB portion of the band, yes, I will "quantize" the low order  
> digits manually, but if I am tuning the CW portion, automatically  
> quantizing the low order digits is not as great an idea - I may want  
> a particular offset from "00", so let me do it myself if I desire,  
> but please do not force it on me.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Sorry -- geekSpeak  :)
>>
>> Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further  
>> assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e.,  
>> your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then  
>> go  into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get  
>> 7041.23 with  present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00:  
>> "quantized" to the  nearest "quantum" which in this case is the  
>> next even multiple of 1.0  kHz.
>>
>> The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled  
>> for  use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT  
>> (see  CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the  
>> VFO when  it is in COARSE mode.
>>
>> The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected  
>> (e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more  
>> consistent  with present behavior.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Mike wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Quantizes? What's that mean?  ;-o
>>>
>>> Mike NF4L
>>>
>>> Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>
>>>> I plan to change VFO coarse tuning in general so that it quantizes.
>>>>
>>
>>
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RIT and VFO-A was (K3 Feature Idea)

Tony Fegan VE3QF
Wayne,

        Maybe it would be possible to have the best of both worlds. Have the
firmware remember the frequency in VFO A. With your example of VFO A at
7040.23, have a clockwise turn of the RIT knob move the frequency to
7041.00, 7042.00, 7043.00 etc. Reversing the direction of the RIT knob
would result in, 7042.00, 7041.00, " 7040.23 ", 7040.00, 7039.00 etc.
        If you move the RIT by mistake, all you have to do is rotate the
control until you see an odd frequency (*.xx). That will be your
original VFO A frequency. Any rotation of the VFO A knob or band change
allows a new reference frequency to be stored with the next RIT knob
rotation.
        Most SSB contacts and nets are on even KHz so the RIT can be used to
quickly get on an even frequency but it would not work to return to the
original VFO A frequency unless some other form of announcement is used
(a beep perhaps!).
        This is just food for thought.

73,
        Tony Fegan VE3QF



Wayne Burdick wrote:

> There will be a menu entry.
>
> W
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 21, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> In the spirit of not desiring "magic buttons", I can say that if I  
>> want that behavior on my radio, I will set the dial (with VFO A  
>> knob) to ".00" and then I can use the RIT knob to move in 1 kHz  
>> increments.
>> In other words, I like the behavior as it is now.  If I am tuning  
>> the SSB portion of the band, yes, I will "quantize" the low order  
>> digits manually, but if I am tuning the CW portion, automatically  
>> quantizing the low order digits is not as great an idea - I may want  
>> a particular offset from "00", so let me do it myself if I desire,  
>> but please do not force it on me.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> Sorry -- geekSpeak  :)
>>>
>>> Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further  
>>> assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e.,  
>>> your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then  
>>> go  into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get  
>>> 7041.23 with  present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00:  
>>> "quantized" to the  nearest "quantum" which in this case is the  
>>> next even multiple of 1.0  kHz.
>>>
>>> The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled  
>>> for  use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT  
>>> (see  CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the  
>>> VFO when  it is in COARSE mode.
>>>
>>> The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected  
>>> (e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more  
>>> consistent  with present behavior.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
e NF4L
>>>>
>>>> Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I plan to change VFO coarse tuning in general so that it quantizes.
>>>>>
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Re: K3 Feature Idea

Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU
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In reply to this post by wayne burdick
Once yo make this change I can see an advantage to offering a 1.5 KHz
coarse tuning option for SSB mode, between the 1.0 and 2.5 currently
offered.

Leigh/WA5ZNU

Wayne N6KR wrote:
> ...
> Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further  
> assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e.,  
> your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go  
> into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with  
> present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: "quantized" to the  
> nearest "quantum" which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0  
> kHz....
>  

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Re: K3 Feature Idea

wayne burdick
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Hi Leigh,

I've now implemented *optional* coarse tuning quantization (or  
rounding). It'll be in the upcoming beta release. You can turn it on/
off in the menu.

1.5 kHz as a coarse tuning step size might be problematic since it  
wouldn't be aligned at 10-kHz points as you tune across the band. I  
think 0.5 kHz might be more useful.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:43 PM, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU wrote:

> Once you make this change I can see an advantage to offering a 1.5  
> KHz coarse tuning option for SSB mode, between the 1.0 and 2.5  
> currently offered.
>
> Leigh/WA5ZNU
>
> Wayne N6KR wrote:
>> ...
>> Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further  
>> assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e.,  
>> your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then  
>> go  into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get  
>> 7041.23 with  present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00:  
>> "quantized" to the  nearest "quantum" which in this case is the  
>> next even multiple of 1.0  kHz....
>>

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