K3 Heil Adapter, which one?

[N4LQ-2]

I was thinking about ordering a Heil headset and had a question about which
adapter to order. I though it would turn out to be the Kenwood adpt.
According to Bob Heil himself....It's the Yaesu adapter. The confusion never
ends. Yaesu had several ways of configuring their 8 pin mic jack. I read
about some difference in Kenwood vs. the K3's pinout and now this. See Bob's
replay to my query below. So who is confused? I sure am.

Hi Steve
Thanks for your note.  Yes, there IS confusion because Elecraft began as a
kit primarily.  They suggested you follow Kenwood pin out but as you built
it that was so nice and easy to change.

They went to a Yaesu configuration with the K3.  There is no confusion here.
Yaesu.  Never was anything else that I knew of. That works well.  Ten Tec is
using this same pin out and several of the QRP kits are following that so
this is all good Steve.

As far as our products - ANY of the dynamic elements work so for the
headset, you use the AD-1Y (Yaesu) adapter and the headset using our HC 5
element. This is a terrific combination.  The AD-1Y adapter has a 1/4"
female output for the HS 2 or FS 2 PTT control.

For microphones I would look at the PR 781 or GOLDLINE GM 5.  Cable is the
CC-1Y and again that has output for the PTT control of our handswitch of
footswitch.

Hope this helps.  Let me know how best I can help form here, Steve.
Steve Ellington
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[Iain MacDonnell - N6ML]

I don't know what Heil is taking about, but if I compare the pinout
described in the K3 manual to the Kenwood one at:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rg4wpw/date.html#kenwood

the stuff that matters (mic audio, PTT and grounds for each) seems to
line up properly, where the Yaesu pinout is completely different.

     ~Iain



n4lq wrote on 08/06/08 09:42:

> I was thinking about ordering a Heil headset and had a question about
> which adapter to order. I though it would turn out to be the Kenwood
> adpt. According to Bob Heil himself....It's the Yaesu adapter. The
> confusion never ends. Yaesu had several ways of configuring their 8 pin
> mic jack. I read about some difference in Kenwood vs. the K3's pinout
> and now this. See Bob's replay to my query below. So who is confused? I
> sure am.
>
> Hi Steve
> Thanks for your note.  Yes, there IS confusion because Elecraft began as a
> kit primarily.  They suggested you follow Kenwood pin out but as you built
> it that was so nice and easy to change.
>
> They went to a Yaesu configuration with the K3.  There is no confusion
> here.
> Yaesu.  Never was anything else that I knew of. That works well.  Ten
> Tec is
> using this same pin out and several of the QRP kits are following that so
> this is all good Steve.
>
> As far as our products - ANY of the dynamic elements work so for the
> headset, you use the AD-1Y (Yaesu) adapter and the headset using our HC 5
> element. This is a terrific combination.  The AD-1Y adapter has a 1/4"
> female output for the HS 2 or FS 2 PTT control.
>
> For microphones I would look at the PR 781 or GOLDLINE GM 5.  Cable is the
> CC-1Y and again that has output for the PTT control of our handswitch of
> footswitch.
>
> Hope this helps.  Let me know how best I can help form here, Steve.
> Steve Ellington
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[Bill W4ZV]

n4lq wrote

I was thinking about ordering a Heil headset and had a question about which
adapter to order. I though it would turn out to be the Kenwood adpt.
According to Bob Heil himself....It's the Yaesu adapter.

I've been using the Kenwood adapter including footswitch since December with no problems.  Maybe Bob Heil is having a senior moment..

73,  Bill

[ON4WIX]

Same here (the adapter, NOT the senior moment, hi!)
Kenwood adapter with Proset Plus and footswitch.
Works FB.

Glenn ON4WIX
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>
> n4lq wrote:
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>> I was thinking about ordering a Heil headset and had a question about
>> which
>> adapter to order. I though it would turn out to be the Kenwood adpt.
>> According to Bob Heil himself....It's the Yaesu adapter.
>>
>
> I've been using the Kenwood adapter including footswitch since December
> with
> no problems.  Maybe Bob Heil is having a senior moment..
>
> 73,  Bill
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[Robert Brandon-2]

And I just plugged in a Kenwood hand mike.  Worked like a champ.

Robert K5PI

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n4lq wrote:
>
> I was thinking about ordering a Heil headset and had a question about
> which
> adapter to order. I though it would turn out to be the Kenwood adpt.
> According to Bob Heil himself....It's the Yaesu adapter.
>

I've been using the Kenwood adapter including footswitch since December with
no problems.  Maybe Bob Heil is having a senior moment..

73,  Bill

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[Ken Kopp-3]

Buy the Heil directly from Elecraft ... it plugs nicely into the back
of the rig.  Works great!

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Brett Howard]

I'm using their Kenwood adapter with my Heil Goldline and it works
perfectly.

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I don't know what Heil is taking about, but if I compare the pinout
described in the K3 manual to the Kenwood one at:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rg4wpw/date.html#kenwood

the stuff that matters (mic audio, PTT and grounds for each) seems to
line up properly, where the Yaesu pinout is completely different.

     ~Iain



n4lq wrote on 08/06/08 09:42:

> I was thinking about ordering a Heil headset and had a question about
> which adapter to order. I though it would turn out to be the Kenwood
> adpt. According to Bob Heil himself....It's the Yaesu adapter. The
> confusion never ends. Yaesu had several ways of configuring their 8 pin
> mic jack. I read about some difference in Kenwood vs. the K3's pinout
> and now this. See Bob's replay to my query below. So who is confused? I
> sure am.
>
> Hi Steve
> Thanks for your note.  Yes, there IS confusion because Elecraft began as a
> kit primarily.  They suggested you follow Kenwood pin out but as you built
> it that was so nice and easy to change.
>
> They went to a Yaesu configuration with the K3.  There is no confusion
> here.
> Yaesu.  Never was anything else that I knew of. That works well.  Ten
> Tec is
> using this same pin out and several of the QRP kits are following that so
> this is all good Steve.
>
> As far as our products - ANY of the dynamic elements work so for the
> headset, you use the AD-1Y (Yaesu) adapter and the headset using our HC 5
> element. This is a terrific combination.  The AD-1Y adapter has a 1/4"
> female output for the HS 2 or FS 2 PTT control.
>
> For microphones I would look at the PR 781 or GOLDLINE GM 5.  Cable is the
> CC-1Y and again that has output for the PTT control of our handswitch of
> footswitch.
>
> Hope this helps.  Let me know how best I can help form here, Steve.
> Steve Ellington
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[Buck - k4ia]

We plowed this ground a while back.

It is  a Kenwood adapter but if you buy the Heil/Elecraft mike, it has an
Icom element  so you need to set the bias in the config menu.  If you use a
regular Heil  Goldline or other mike, you should not set the bias.

k4ia
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[Julian, G4ILO]

K4IA wrote

We plowed this ground a while back.

It is  a Kenwood adapter but if you buy the Heil/Elecraft mike, it has an
Icom element  so you need to set the bias in the config menu.  If you use a
regular Heil  Goldline or other mike, you should not set the bias.

I was beginning to think I was having a senior moment when I read the first post in this thread because I was sure I ordered a Kenwood cable with my Heil mic. My memory was right for a change. Using the mic with switchable narrow/wide elements on a desk stand and it works great - good audio reports and plenty of drive.

[Bruce McLaughlin-2]

I am using a Heil Proset with my K3 and it definitely does require a Kenwood
pigtail adaptor.  The Yaesu adaptor will not work.  If Bob Heil said
otherwise I think he is wrong.

Bruce - W8FU

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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Heil Adapter, which one?

I'm using their Kenwood adapter with my Heil Goldline and it works
perfectly.

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Heil Adapter, which one?


I don't know what Heil is taking about, but if I compare the pinout
described in the K3 manual to the Kenwood one at:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rg4wpw/date.html#kenwood

the stuff that matters (mic audio, PTT and grounds for each) seems to
line up properly, where the Yaesu pinout is completely different.

     ~Iain



n4lq wrote on 08/06/08 09:42:

> I was thinking about ordering a Heil headset and had a question about
> which adapter to order. I though it would turn out to be the Kenwood
> adpt. According to Bob Heil himself....It's the Yaesu adapter. The
> confusion never ends. Yaesu had several ways of configuring their 8 pin
> mic jack. I read about some difference in Kenwood vs. the K3's pinout
> and now this. See Bob's replay to my query below. So who is confused? I
> sure am.
>
> Hi Steve
> Thanks for your note.  Yes, there IS confusion because Elecraft began as a
> kit primarily.  They suggested you follow Kenwood pin out but as you built
> it that was so nice and easy to change.
>
> They went to a Yaesu configuration with the K3.  There is no confusion
> here.
> Yaesu.  Never was anything else that I knew of. That works well.  Ten
> Tec is
> using this same pin out and several of the QRP kits are following that so
> this is all good Steve.
>
> As far as our products - ANY of the dynamic elements work so for the
> headset, you use the AD-1Y (Yaesu) adapter and the headset using our HC 5
> element. This is a terrific combination.  The AD-1Y adapter has a 1/4"
> female output for the HS 2 or FS 2 PTT control.
>
> For microphones I would look at the PR 781 or GOLDLINE GM 5.  Cable is the
> CC-1Y and again that has output for the PTT control of our handswitch of
> footswitch.
>
> Hope this helps.  Let me know how best I can help form here, Steve.
> Steve Ellington
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[Charly]

Elecraft K3 front mic socket (8 pin) is basically Kenwood standard, but

Elecraft forgot to check the full pin-out and mistakenly reversed two

pins that are used only on Kenwood hand mics and others not usually

in the HF ham shack.  Do beware of this fact.  Altho it does not

affect the Heil Kenwood adapter.


Charles Harpole

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> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Heil Adapter, which one?
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:18:24 -0400
> CC: [hidden email]
>
> I am using a Heil Proset with my K3 and it definitely does require a Kenwood
> pigtail adaptor. The Yaesu adaptor will not work. If Bob Heil said
> otherwise I think he is wrong.
>
> Bruce - W8FU
>
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> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brett Howard
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:28 PM
> To: 'Iain MacDonnell - K6IAM'; 'n4lq'
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Heil Adapter, which one?
>
> I'm using their Kenwood adapter with my Heil Goldline and it works
> perfectly.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Iain MacDonnell -
> K6IAM
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:33 AM
> To: n4lq
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Heil Adapter, which one?
>
>
> I don't know what Heil is taking about, but if I compare the pinout
> described in the K3 manual to the Kenwood one at:
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rg4wpw/date.html#kenwood
>
> the stuff that matters (mic audio, PTT and grounds for each) seems to
> line up properly, where the Yaesu pinout is completely different.
>
> ~Iain
>
>
>
> n4lq wrote on 08/06/08 09:42:
>> I was thinking about ordering a Heil headset and had a question about
>> which adapter to order. I though it would turn out to be the Kenwood
>> adpt. According to Bob Heil himself....It's the Yaesu adapter. The
>> confusion never ends. Yaesu had several ways of configuring their 8 pin
>> mic jack. I read about some difference in Kenwood vs. the K3's pinout
>> and now this. See Bob's replay to my query below. So who is confused? I
>> sure am.
>>
>> Hi Steve
>> Thanks for your note. Yes, there IS confusion because Elecraft began as a
>> kit primarily. They suggested you follow Kenwood pin out but as you built
>> it that was so nice and easy to change.
>>
>> They went to a Yaesu configuration with the K3. There is no confusion
>> here.
>> Yaesu. Never was anything else that I knew of. That works well. Ten
>> Tec is
>> using this same pin out and several of the QRP kits are following that so
>> this is all good Steve.
>>
>> As far as our products - ANY of the dynamic elements work so for the
>> headset, you use the AD-1Y (Yaesu) adapter and the headset using our HC 5
>> element. This is a terrific combination. The AD-1Y adapter has a 1/4"
>> female output for the HS 2 or FS 2 PTT control.
>>
>> For microphones I would look at the PR 781 or GOLDLINE GM 5. Cable is the
>> CC-1Y and again that has output for the PTT control of our handswitch of
>> footswitch.
>>
>> Hope this helps. Let me know how best I can help form here, Steve.
>> Steve Ellington
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[WILLIS COOKE]

The Heil Headset and the Hand Mike that I bought with
my K3 will not work on my TS-850 and the TS-850 mike
does not work on the K3.  I have not yet investigated
the details.

Cookie, K5EWJ

--- Charles Harpole <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Elecraft K3 front mic socket (8 pin) is basically
> Kenwood standard, but
>
> Elecraft forgot to check the full pin-out and
> mistakenly reversed two
>
> pins that are used only on Kenwood hand mics and
> others not usually
>
> in the HF ham shack.  Do beware of this fact.  Altho
> it does not
>
> affect the Heil Kenwood adapter.
>
>
> Charles Harpole
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]; [hidden email];
> [hidden email]
> > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Heil Adapter, which
> one?
> > Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:18:24 -0400
> > CC: [hidden email]
> >
> > I am using a Heil Proset with my K3 and it
> definitely does require a Kenwood
> > pigtail adaptor. The Yaesu adaptor will not work.
> If Bob Heil said
> > otherwise I think he is wrong.
> >
> > Bruce - W8FU
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of Brett Howard
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:28 PM
> > To: 'Iain MacDonnell - K6IAM'; 'n4lq'
> > Cc: [hidden email]
> > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Heil Adapter, which
> one?
> >
> > I'm using their Kenwood adapter with my Heil
> Goldline and it works
> > perfectly.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of Iain MacDonnell -
> > K6IAM
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:33 AM
> > To: n4lq
> > Cc: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Heil Adapter, which
> one?
> >
> >
> > I don't know what Heil is taking about, but if I
> compare the pinout
> > described in the K3 manual to the Kenwood one at:
> >
> >
>

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rg4wpw/date.html#kenwood

> >
> > the stuff that matters (mic audio, PTT and grounds
> for each) seems to
> > line up properly, where the Yaesu pinout is
> completely different.
> >
> > ~Iain
> >
> >
> >
> > n4lq wrote on 08/06/08 09:42:
> >> I was thinking about ordering a Heil headset and
> had a question about
> >> which adapter to order. I though it would turn
> out to be the Kenwood
> >> adpt. According to Bob Heil himself....It's the
> Yaesu adapter. The
> >> confusion never ends. Yaesu had several ways of
> configuring their 8 pin
> >> mic jack. I read about some difference in Kenwood
> vs. the K3's pinout
> >> and now this. See Bob's replay to my query below.
> So who is confused? I
> >> sure am.
> >>
> >> Hi Steve
> >> Thanks for your note. Yes, there IS confusion
> because Elecraft began as a
> >> kit primarily. They suggested you follow Kenwood
> pin out but as you built
> >> it that was so nice and easy to change.
> >>
> >> They went to a Yaesu configuration with the K3.
> There is no confusion
> >> here.
> >> Yaesu. Never was anything else that I knew of.
> That works well. Ten
> >> Tec is
> >> using this same pin out and several of the QRP
> kits are following that so
> >> this is all good Steve.
> >>
> >> As far as our products - ANY of the dynamic
> elements work so for the
> >> headset, you use the AD-1Y (Yaesu) adapter and
> the headset using our HC 5
> >> element. This is a terrific combination. The
> AD-1Y adapter has a 1/4"
> >> female output for the HS 2 or FS 2 PTT control.
> >>
> >> For microphones I would look at the PR 781 or
> GOLDLINE GM 5. Cable is the
> >> CC-1Y and again that has output for the PTT
> control of our handswitch of
> >> footswitch.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps. Let me know how best I can help
> form here, Steve.
> >> Steve Ellington
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[Ian Maude]

Charles Harpole wrote:

> Elecraft K3 front mic socket (8 pin) is basically Kenwood standard, but
>
> Elecraft forgot to check the full pin-out and mistakenly reversed two
>
> pins that are used only on Kenwood hand mics and others not usually
>
> in the HF ham shack.  Do beware of this fact.  Altho it does not
>
> affect the Heil Kenwood adapter.
>  

Ahh, just like Yaesu and Icom eh?  And fancy top class engineers making
a *mistake* like that.  I hope they learned their lesson!  You hit the
nail on the head when you said "only used on Kenwood hand mics".
The vast majority of Kenwood (and Kenwood wired mics) work.  Can we
please not start all this again.

73 Ian

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K2 #4044 |K3 #455

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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

I'd like to clarify this point.

Starting with the K2 in 1998, we designed our 'Elecraft Standard' 8 pin
microphone connector to be compatible with the Kenwood -Dynamic-
microphone pin out that is used on their HF radios, which represents the
vast majority of 'Kenwood' style microphones out there. (Especially in
1998.) The other pins referred to below are only used for the electret
element versions of the Kenwood microphones, which we intentionally did
not design for. We never intended to work on every possible microphone
combination used on Kenwood radios.

I think the confusion on this issue arose when people started trying to
use microphones that Kenwood sells on its VHF/UHF radios, some of which
are of the electret variety and require power/bias on a separate pin. We
never intended to be directly pin compatible with those microphones,
since we were targeting the HF market. (It is quite easy though to
modify the connector pin out on those mics to get the required voltage
from the K3.)

It should also be noted that most radio manufacturers have a microphone
pin out that is unique to their product line. We broke this mold by
picking what we felt was a widely used pin out for dynamic microphones
to widen the usability of the K2 and subsequently the K3. This
immediately opened up a wide range of mics for immediate use on the
K2/K3 (-and- reduced our direct microphone sales).

In any case, to help clarify this in the future, we'll start reworking
our K2/K3 documentation to use the phrase 'generally pin compatible with
Kenwood -dynamic- microphone pin outs.' ;-)

73, Eric   WA6HHQ
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Charles Harpole wrote:
> Elecraft K3 front mic socket (8 pin) is basically Kenwood standard, but
> Elecraft forgot to check the full pin-out and mistakenly reversed two
> pins that are used only on Kenwood hand mics and others not usually
> in the HF ham shack.  Do beware of this fact.  Altho it does not
> affect the Heil Kenwood adapter.
>
> Charles Harpole
> [hidden email]
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Eric
Eric
Bob Heil needs to be straightened out on this since he's telling people to
buy the Yaesu adapter. Personally I think there's a market here for a desk
mic. with Elecraft's name on it.
Steve Ellington
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From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Heil Adapter, which one?

> I'd like to clarify this point.
>
> Starting with the K2 in 1998, we designed our 'Elecraft Standard' 8 pin
> microphone connector to be compatible with the Kenwood -Dynamic-
> microphone pin out that is used on their HF radios, which represents the
> vast majority of 'Kenwood' style microphones out there. (Especially in
> 1998.) The other pins referred to below are only used for the electret
> element versions of the Kenwood microphones, which we intentionally did
> not design for. We never intended to work on every possible microphone
> combination used on Kenwood radios.
>
> I think the confusion on this issue arose when people started trying to
> use microphones that Kenwood sells on its VHF/UHF radios, some of which
> are of the electret variety and require power/bias on a separate pin. We
> never intended to be directly pin compatible with those microphones, since
> we were targeting the HF market. (It is quite easy though to modify the
> connector pin out on those mics to get the required voltage from the K3.)
>
> It should also be noted that most radio manufacturers have a microphone
> pin out that is unique to their product line. We broke this mold by
> picking what we felt was a widely used pin out for dynamic microphones to
> widen the usability of the K2 and subsequently the K3. This immediately
> opened up a wide range of mics for immediate use on the K2/K3 (-and-
> reduced our direct microphone sales).
>
> In any case, to help clarify this in the future, we'll start reworking our
> K2/K3 documentation to use the phrase 'generally pin compatible with
> Kenwood -dynamic- microphone pin outs.' ;-)
>
> 73, Eric   WA6HHQ
> ----
> P.S. Yes, the 'Kenwood' Heil adapter is the correct one to use with their
> microphones and our rigs.
>
>
> Charles Harpole wrote:
>> Elecraft K3 front mic socket (8 pin) is basically Kenwood standard, but
>> Elecraft forgot to check the full pin-out and mistakenly reversed two
>> pins that are used only on Kenwood hand mics and others not usually in
>> the HF ham shack.  Do beware of this fact.  Altho it does not affect the
>> Heil Kenwood adapter.
>>
>> Charles Harpole
>> [hidden email]
>>
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[Joe Subich, W4TV-3]

Eric wrote:

> I think the confusion on this issue arose when people started
> trying to use microphones that Kenwood sells on its VHF/UHF radios,
> some of which are of the electret variety and require power/bias
> on a separate pin.  

Actually, it is not the VHF/UHF ("encoder") mics that are generally
the issue.  The real problem is with the HF "desk" mics (MC-55,
MC-60A, MC-80, & MC-85) that use pin 5 to power a preamplifier or
bias the electret capsule.  MC-55, 80 and 85 use electret capsules
and require power on "pin 5" or the use of batteries.  The MC-60A
is a dynamic mic that will work with the K2/K3 as long as the
preamplifier is bypassed (preamp switch "off").  The MC-90 - a
dynamic desk mic with no preamp - works without modification.  

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 



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