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hf4me

K3 - I wonder

I wonder if it would be possible......

to capture the settings that are being changed by "any" button press on the K3 front panel (commands from a control program too?) and save them in a stack 2 or 3 button presses deep......

Then I could have the "oops" key I need so often to get back to the way it was before I hit the wrong key again.

This could also be used as quick switch to most anything "just to look" and then back again.

Oh, well, just wondering (or wandering, hi).

73, de Jm KG0KP
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Jorge Diez - CX6VM

Re: K3 - I wonder

Hello Jim,

You can save personal settings with K3 utility.

You can restore from there if you have any problem in the future

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

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Asunto: [Elecraft] K3 - I wonder

I wonder if it would be possible......

to capture the settings that are being changed by "any" button press on the
K3 front panel (commands from a control program too?) and save them in a
stack 2 or 3 button presses deep......

Then I could have the "oops" key I need so often to get back to the way it
was before I hit the wrong key again.

This could also be used as quick switch to most anything "just to look" and
then back again.

Oh, well, just wondering (or wandering, hi).

73, de Jm KG0KP
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AD4C2009

Re: K3 - I wonder

In reply to this post by hf4me

That has been my wonder as well since I own this wonderful radio,a way to change quickly from let say "dx" to "ragchewing" to see the radio moving quicker from one set of settings to the other and not trough the Utilities that take longer.I owned in the past a TT Orion and it certainly have that recovery key to put the radio in default if we make a mistake,that will be another good tool to have in this radio,73 to all

AD4C

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From: Jim Miller KG0KP <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - I wonder
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 11:58 AM

I wonder if it would be possible......

to capture the settings that are being changed by "any" button press on the K3 front panel (commands from a control program too?) and save them in a stack 2 or 3 button presses deep......

Then I could have the "oops" key I need so often to get back to the way it was before I hit the wrong key again.

This could also be used as quick switch to most anything "just to look" and then back again.

Oh, well, just wondering (or wandering, hi).

73, de Jm KG0KP
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: K3 - I wonder

This could very easily be a nice K3 Utility feature. Actually, a good model for this feature is found in MS Visual Studio 2010 (and, earlier versions). This allows the setup of the Visual Studio software to be saved in a file so that it can be restored at a later time or even shared with others. Aspects of how this might work on the K3 can almost use the Visual Studio feature as a design pattern -- I am sure that the author of the K3 Utility (on Windows) uses Visual Studio.

But, one of the nifty features of this settings save and restore thing is that you can limit the scope of the save and restore to a subset of all of the settings. Via a selection process that is part of the save or restore, you can select various options or subsets of options to be affected. Thus, you don't run into the hassle of overwriting some other setting that you want to keep when you reclaim some other alternative setting.

I can see it now -- this Elecraft forum will become a great trading ground for "settings" files. Sure, there are possibly some arcane settings to achieve some kind of performance or feature but no bother, there is a file that does that for you.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:17 AM, Hector Padron wrote:

> That has been my wonder as well since I own this wonderful radio,a way to change quickly from let say "dx" to "ragchewing" to see the radio moving quicker from one set of settings to the other and not trough the Utilities that take longer.I owned in the past a TT Orion and it certainly have that recovery key to put the radio in default if we make a mistake,that will be another good tool to have in this radio,73 to all
>
> AD4C
>
>
>
> "If you see a woman handling a cell phone on her hands while she is driving,do please stay away from her.!!
>
> --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Jim Miller KG0KP <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jim Miller KG0KP <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - I wonder
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 11:58 AM
>
>
> I wonder if it would be possible......
>
> to capture the settings that are being changed by "any" button press on the K3 front panel (commands from a control program too?) and save them in a stack 2 or 3 button presses deep......
>
> Then I could have the "oops" key I need so often to get back to the way it was before I hit the wrong key again.
>
> This could also be used as quick switch to most anything "just to look" and then back again.
>
> Oh, well, just wondering (or wandering, hi).
>
> 73, de Jm KG0KP
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M0XDF

Re: K3 - I wonder

Doesn't save config do this already?
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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is the fundamental fact of the universe we inhabit, and it is very good for
us to understand that. -Carl Sagan, astronomer and writer (1934-1996)

On 3 Jun 2010, at 14:47, Phil Hystad wrote:

> This could very easily be a nice K3 Utility feature. Actually, a good model for this feature is found in MS Visual Studio 2010 (and, earlier versions). This allows the setup of the Visual Studio software to be saved in a file so that it can be restored at a later time or even shared with others. Aspects of how this might work on the K3 can almost use the Visual Studio feature as a design pattern -- I am sure that the author of the K3 Utility (on Windows) uses Visual Studio.
>
> But, one of the nifty features of this settings save and restore thing is that you can limit the scope of the save and restore to a subset of all of the settings. Via a selection process that is part of the save or restore, you can select various options or subsets of options to be affected. Thus, you don't run into the hassle of overwriting some other setting that you want to keep when you reclaim some other alternative setting.
>
> I can see it now -- this Elecraft forum will become a great trading ground for "settings" files. Sure, there are possibly some arcane settings to achieve some kind of performance or feature but no bother, there is a file that does that for you.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:17 AM, Hector Padron wrote:
>
>> That has been my wonder as well since I own this wonderful radio,a way to change quickly from let say "dx" to "ragchewing" to see the radio moving quicker from one set of settings to the other and not trough the Utilities that take longer.I owned in the past a TT Orion and it certainly have that recovery key to put the radio in default if we make a mistake,that will be another good tool to have in this radio,73 to all
>>
>> AD4C
>>

Dick Dievendorff

Re: K3 - I wonder

In reply to this post by Phil Hystad-3

Wayne and David and I have made dramatic improvements to the speed of
configuration save and restore in upcoming K3 Utility versions (that depend
on recent MCU versions). It will take on the order of 5 seconds to save and
10 seconds to restore a configuration (once you've selected the
configuration file), and half of that is the MCU reset after restore.

Not every K3 front panel key press is currently available for an "undo"
stack. In particular, when I enter a menu and change a parameter, nothing is
sent to the PC host to alert it to a configuration change.

Few of us (including me) would be willing to keep a program like the K3
Utility connected to the radio during all radio operation to support an undo
stack.

During contests, my contest logging program controls the radio. At other
times it might be connected to a DX logging program.

Yes, I use Visual Studio. I'm stuck at VS 2005 because that's the last
version that compiles code that will run on Windows 98 SE / ME.

Phil, you should be aware that the Microsoft Visual Studio Program
Management / Development / Test / Customer Support team is a tad larger than
the K3 Utility, P3 Utility, K144XV Utility, W2 Utility, K3 Voice, and K3
Frequency Memory Editor "team".

And there are cost/revenue issues. Visual Studio's features must be
whiz-bang to gather developer hearts and minds so that applications will be
written for Windows.

Not too many chose the Elecraft K3 over its competitors because of a
feature-rich K3 Utility. The K3 Utility needs to do a few jobs reliably. If
it were terrible, it could hurt customer satisfaction with the K3. It must
be simple to use so that occasional users can get firmware loaded with a
minimum of fuss.

I use Visual Studio all the time. It's a pretty "feature rich" environment.
And the learning curve was non-trivial.

Elecraft sells amateur radio equipment. The K3 Utility is offered to
customers without additional charge. It's a necessary adjunct to enable
customers to update the radio's firmware. The K3 Utility is not a revenue
source for Elecraft. Visual Studio (even with free "Express" editions) is
most certainly a revenue source for Microsoft.

73 de Dick, K6KR

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Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:47 AM
To: Hector Padron
Cc: [hidden email]; Jim Miller KG0KP
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - I wonder

This could very easily be a nice K3 Utility feature. Actually, a good model
for this feature is found in MS Visual Studio 2010 (and, earlier versions).
This allows the setup of the Visual Studio software to be saved in a file so
that it can be restored at a later time or even shared with others. Aspects
of how this might work on the K3 can almost use the Visual Studio feature as
a design pattern -- I am sure that the author of the K3 Utility (on Windows)
uses Visual Studio.

But, one of the nifty features of this settings save and restore thing is
that you can limit the scope of the save and restore to a subset of all of
the settings. Via a selection process that is part of the save or restore,
you can select various options or subsets of options to be affected. Thus,
you don't run into the hassle of overwriting some other setting that you
want to keep when you reclaim some other alternative setting.

I can see it now -- this Elecraft forum will become a great trading ground
for "settings" files. Sure, there are possibly some arcane settings to
achieve some kind of performance or feature but no bother, there is a file
that does that for you.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:17 AM, Hector Padron wrote:

> That has been my wonder as well since I own this wonderful radio,a way to
change quickly from let say "dx" to "ragchewing" to see the radio moving
quicker from one set of settings to the other and not trough the Utilities
that take longer.I owned in the past a TT Orion and it certainly have that
recovery key to put the radio in default if we make a mistake,that will be
another good tool to have in this radio,73 to all
>
> AD4C
>
>
>
> "If you see a woman handling a cell phone on her hands while she is
driving,do please stay away from her.!!

>
> --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Jim Miller KG0KP <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jim Miller KG0KP <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - I wonder
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 11:58 AM
>
>
> I wonder if it would be possible......
>
> to capture the settings that are being changed by "any" button press on

the K3 front panel (commands from a control program too?) and save them in a
stack 2 or 3 button presses deep......
>
> Then I could have the "oops" key I need so often to get back to the way it
was before I hit the wrong key again.
>
> This could also be used as quick switch to most anything "just to look"
and then back again.

>
> Oh, well, just wondering (or wandering, hi).
>
> 73, de Jm KG0KP
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