K3 Interior Speaker Low End Roll Off Below 400 Htz

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K3 Interior Speaker Low End Roll Off Below 400 Htz

Dean45
My K3 is SN 3873 so it came with very good full bodied audio for the head phones. The audio out of the interior speaker rolls off below 400 Htz, and rolls off pretty hard below 300 Htz. Yes, I know that it is a small speaker but I believe that this is more than is caused by a small speaker. This restriction does not seem to be in the exterior speaker jack, or the head phone jacks.

I would like to modify this to allow the response down to 100Htz or so. Any suggestions on where the restriction is, or how to modify it?

I sometimes use my radio for casual listening from SSB, to SWL to AM broadcast, and I sometimes take it out to my shop to listen to while working. I could us an exterior speaker but in many cases, I prefer the simplicity of a built-in speaker.

Thanks for your help!

Dean
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Re: K3 Interior Speaker Low End Roll Off Below 400 Htz

P.B. Christensen
> "Yes, I know that it is a small speaker but I believe that this is more
> than is caused by a small speaker. This restriction does not seem to be in
> the exterior speaker jack, or the head phone jacks...I would like to
> modify this to allow the response down to 100Htz or so. Any suggestions on
> where the restriction is, or how to modify it?"

Dean,

The K3's low frequency response limitation is not related to the speaker
amplifier circuitry.  It's capable of excellent low frequency response.  The
roll-off you describe is caused by an acoustical short circuit created by
the wave cancellation of the forward and back acoustical waves.  All
speakers that allow for a short conduction path between the front and back
of the speaker exhibit this behavior.

You can prove this effect by removing the K3's speaker, laying it out on a
table, then feed it from a high-quality source of your choice.  Even from an
audiophile-grade amplifier, you will hear substantial diminished low
frequency content.  Next, place the speaker in a small sealed box, and note
the results.  The low end response will dramatically improve.

As a further experiment, you can take a full sheet of plywood and cut a hole
in it exactly the same size as the K3 speaker.  Place the speaker in the
hole.  The increase in low frequency content will also dramatically increase
and you've not used an enclosure.  Why?  You've just increased the
acoustical circuit path of the low frequency content.  The longer the path
between the forward and reverse acoustical wave, the larger the downward
shift of the low frequency short circuit point.

Back to the K3.  To increase the low frequency content of the K3's internal
speaker requires sealing and isolating  its back side.  The short circuit is
presently being allowed through the many ventilation openings on the top
cover, near the speaker.  Of course, we cannot close those vent openings so
to compensate, a small plastic cap can be added around the back side of the
speaker.  The more mass of the cap, the better.  I used the top of  plastic
spray can and modified it to cover the entire back side of the speaker.
Low end response through the speaker is excellent.

Quite honestly, the best approach is to simply use a small external speaker
with an infinite baffle (sealed box).  I also use several Realistic Minimus
7 speakers for station audio.  This is one of the few R/S products I will
actually admit to owning.  Back in the late '70s, they did a marvelous job
with the Minimus series of speakers.  They can be purchased on the used
market for reasonable prices, although demand for them remains high today.

Paul, W9AC

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Re: K3 Interior Speaker Low End Roll Off Below 400 Htz

Dean45
That was a wonderful and perfectly understandable explanation! Mt radio is the K3-10 with no interior partitions so that probably contributes to the issue. I installed a plastic cap on the back of the speaker and the low end response is now a LOT better. I will probably us an exterior speaker too, when it is convenient to do so.

Thanks for your help!

Dean
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Re: K3 Interior Speaker Low End Roll Off Below 400 Htz

Mike Harris
G'day Dean45,

"I am not a number, I am a free man".  For those who remember "The
Prisoner".

Something I will be trying.  SSB on the internal speaker is fine but
CW sounds horrible, perfectly OK in the phones and external speaker.
Looks like an opportunity for a retrofit part/kit.

How did you fasten the cap to the speaker?

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

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>
> That was a wonderful and perfectly understandable explanation! Mt
> radio is
> the K3-10 with no interior partitions so that probably contributes
> to the
> issue. I installed a plastic cap on the back of the speaker and
> the low end
> response is now a LOT better. I will probably us an exterior
> speaker too,
> when it is convenient to do so.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Dean
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Re: K3 Interior Speaker Low End Roll Off Below 400 Htz

Cookie
With the piece of two sided foam tape included in the kit.
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ




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How did you fasten the cap to the speaker?

Regards,

Mike VP8NO


     
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Re: K3 Interior Speaker Low End Roll Off Below 400 Htz

pd0psb
Speaking out of experience:
Please only use magnetically shielded speakers!
The original speaker has a magnetic shield for a reason:
without it nearby relays will be influenced causing misbehaviour (KSYN board)

The distance between speaker and KSYN baord relay may also be a reason for some"feedback" reports.

73'
Paul
PD0PSB

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Re: K3 Interior Speaker Low End Roll Off Below 400 Htz

Dean45
In reply to this post by Cookie
I used superglue. The plastic cap that I found was from an aerosol can and fit almost perfectly, edge to edge around the outer metal rim of the speaker. It may not fit if I install the second receiver, but I won't have to worry about that anyway until after I get my daughter through college!!

The K3 is a great radio, having lots of fun with it...