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Richard Fjeld-2
Greetings to all,

The K3/K3s is an excellent radio for digital modes due to the ease of
interfacing with a computer if desired.  A computer is not even needed
for some digital modes, and I have tried that successfully.

I have mentioned in the past that I had tried the free software for
digital voice on HF called 'FreeDV'.  I had worked a Canadian ham a few
times using it and he has been keeping in contact with me via email
encouraging me to get back into it.  I am starting to get up to date
again, and I found accurate reviews of it on
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11016   by K2RWF and WA0TPN.  I think
you will find the reviews interesting and informative.

Notice that the reviews seem to be either at, or near, 5/5 or 0/5. I
think both of the reviews I mentioned answer why that is.  I will keep
my experience mute and let you glean aye/nay from the reviews. Whether
you approve of digital voice or not, the K3/K3s is a natural for using
it, and it's fun.  (As always with digital modes, be kind to your finals.)

FYI,
Dick, n0ce


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Re: K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV

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 I would like to see Elecraft built it into their firmware.
I have a mcHF QRP radio that has Digital Voice in it

      From: Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
 Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:13 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
   
Greetings to all,

The K3/K3s is an excellent radio for digital modes due to the ease of
interfacing with a computer if desired.  A computer is not even needed
for some digital modes, and I have tried that successfully.

I have mentioned in the past that I had tried the free software for
digital voice on HF called 'FreeDV'.  I had worked a Canadian ham a few
times using it and he has been keeping in contact with me via email
encouraging me to get back into it.  I am starting to get up to date
again, and I found accurate reviews of it on
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11016   by K2RWF and WA0TPN.  I think
you will find the reviews interesting and informative.

Notice that the reviews seem to be either at, or near, 5/5 or 0/5. I
think both of the reviews I mentioned answer why that is.  I will keep
my experience mute and let you glean aye/nay from the reviews. Whether
you approve of digital voice or not, the K3/K3s is a natural for using
it, and it's fun.  (As always with digital modes, be kind to your finals.)

FYI,
Dick, n0ce


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Re: K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV

Bob Nielsen-4
While the mcHF has some digital audio circuitry, I don't believe it
provides a digital voice mode.

FreeDV is a very narrow-band (1.1 kHz) digital voice mode using the
open-source Codec2, developed by VK5DGR.  One can run FreeDV without a
computer using the Rowetel SM1000 adapter
(https://www.tindie.com/products/edwin/sm1000-freedv-adpapter/). This
should work nicely with a KX2 or KX3 for portable FreeDV operation.  I
haven't tried doing that but it looks fairly straightforward.

Bob, N7XY


On 3/27/17 2:28 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

>   I would like to see Elecraft built it into their firmware.
> I have a mcHF QRP radio that has Digital Voice in it
>
>        From: Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]>
>   To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
>   Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:13 PM
>   Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
>    
> Greetings to all,
>
> The K3/K3s is an excellent radio for digital modes due to the ease of
> interfacing with a computer if desired.  A computer is not even needed
> for some digital modes, and I have tried that successfully.
>
> I have mentioned in the past that I had tried the free software for
> digital voice on HF called 'FreeDV'.  I had worked a Canadian ham a few
> times using it and he has been keeping in contact with me via email
> encouraging me to get back into it.  I am starting to get up to date
> again, and I found accurate reviews of it on
> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11016   by K2RWF and WA0TPN.  I think
> you will find the reviews interesting and informative.
>
> Notice that the reviews seem to be either at, or near, 5/5 or 0/5. I
> think both of the reviews I mentioned answer why that is.  I will keep
> my experience mute and let you glean aye/nay from the reviews. Whether
> you approve of digital voice or not, the K3/K3s is a natural for using
> it, and it's fun.  (As always with digital modes, be kind to your finals.)
>
> FYI,
> Dick, n0ce
>
>

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The mcHF does indeed have FreeDV built in RX and TX (I'm looking right at it)

I'm running ver 1.5.7 of the firmware (Ia little old as I have not updated it recently)



      From: Bob Nielsen <[hidden email]>
 To: [hidden email]
 Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 7:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
   
While the mcHF has some digital audio circuitry, I don't believe it
provides a digital voice mode.

FreeDV is a very narrow-band (1.1 kHz) digital voice mode using the
open-source Codec2, developed by VK5DGR.  One can run FreeDV without a
computer using the Rowetel SM1000 adapter
(https://www.tindie.com/products/edwin/sm1000-freedv-adpapter/). This
should work nicely with a KX2 or KX3 for portable FreeDV operation.  I
haven't tried doing that but it looks fairly straightforward.

Bob, N7XY


On 3/27/17 2:28 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

>  I would like to see Elecraft built it into their firmware.
> I have a mcHF QRP radio that has Digital Voice in it
>
>        From: Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]>
>  To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
>  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:13 PM
>  Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
>   
> Greetings to all,
>
> The K3/K3s is an excellent radio for digital modes due to the ease of
> interfacing with a computer if desired.  A computer is not even needed
> for some digital modes, and I have tried that successfully.
>
> I have mentioned in the past that I had tried the free software for
> digital voice on HF called 'FreeDV'.  I had worked a Canadian ham a few
> times using it and he has been keeping in contact with me via email
> encouraging me to get back into it.  I am starting to get up to date
> again, and I found accurate reviews of it on
> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11016   by K2RWF and WA0TPN.  I think
> you will find the reviews interesting and informative.
>
> Notice that the reviews seem to be either at, or near, 5/5 or 0/5. I
> think both of the reviews I mentioned answer why that is.  I will keep
> my experience mute and let you glean aye/nay from the reviews. Whether
> you approve of digital voice or not, the K3/K3s is a natural for using
> it, and it's fun.  (As always with digital modes, be kind to your finals.)
>
> FYI,
> Dick, n0ce
>
>

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Re: K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV

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There is a different group working on the firmware now  http://df8oe.github.io/mchf-github/ 

As I understand it the FreeDV code is open source so Elecraft would not need to reinvent the wheel.



      From: Bob Nielsen <[hidden email]>
 To: Harry Yingst <[hidden email]>
 Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
   
 Strangely the mcHF website doesn't seem to mention it but that's great. 
 
 On 3/27/17 6:15 PM, Harry Yingst wrote:
 
  The mcHF does indeed have FreeDV built in RX and TX (I'm looking right at it)
 
  I'm running ver 1.5.7 of the firmware (Ia little old as I have not updated it recently)
 
 
 
        From: Bob Nielsen <[hidden email]>
 To: [hidden email]
 Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 7:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
 
 While the mcHF has some digital audio circuitry, I don't believe it
 provides a digital voice mode.
 
 FreeDV is a very narrow-band (1.1 kHz) digital voice mode using the
 open-source Codec2, developed by VK5DGR.  One can run FreeDV without a
 computer using the Rowetel SM1000 adapter
 (https://www.tindie.com/products/edwin/sm1000-freedv-adpapter/). This
 should work nicely with a KX2 or KX3 for portable FreeDV operation.  I
 haven't tried doing that but it looks fairly straightforward.
 
 Bob, N7XY
 
 
 On 3/27/17 2:28 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
 >  I would like to see Elecraft built it into their firmware.
 > I have a mcHF QRP radio that has Digital Voice in it
 >
 >        From: Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]>
 >  To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
 >  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:13 PM
 >  Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
 >   
 > Greetings to all,
 >
 > The K3/K3s is an excellent radio for digital modes due to the ease of
 > interfacing with a computer if desired.  A computer is not even needed
 > for some digital modes, and I have tried that successfully.
 >
 > I have mentioned in the past that I had tried the free software for
 > digital voice on HF called 'FreeDV'.  I had worked a Canadian ham a few
 > times using it and he has been keeping in contact with me via email
 > encouraging me to get back into it.  I am starting to get up to date
 > again, and I found accurate reviews of it on
 > http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11016   by K2RWF and WA0TPN.  I think
 > you will find the reviews interesting and informative.
 >
 > Notice that the reviews seem to be either at, or near, 5/5 or 0/5. I
 > think both of the reviews I mentioned answer why that is.  I will keep
 > my experience mute and let you glean aye/nay from the reviews. Whether
 > you approve of digital voice or not, the K3/K3s is a natural for using
 > it, and it's fun.  (As always with digital modes, be kind to your finals.)
 >
 > FYI,
 > Dick, n0ce
 >
 >
 
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Bob Nielsen-4
The more I look at the mcHF, the more impressed I become.  Once I get
caught up with my current projects I'll seriously consider getting one.

The FreeDV code and more importantly Codec2 are indeed open source.  I
don't know how much room there is in the K3/KX3/KX2 firmware to add
something like this but if possible, it would be quite useful in getting
more FreeDV activity going.  in the meantime, I'll make up some cables
to connect my KX2 to my SM1000 and give it a try.

Bob, N7XY


On 3/27/17 6:54 PM, Harry Yingst wrote:

> There is a different group working on the firmware now
> http://df8oe.github.io/mchf-github/
>
>
> As I understand it the FreeDV code is open source so Elecraft would
> not need to reinvent the wheel.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Bob Nielsen <[hidden email]>
> *To:* Harry Yingst <[hidden email]>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 9:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
>
> Strangely the mcHF website doesn't seem to mention it but that's great.
>
> On 3/27/17 6:15 PM, Harry Yingst wrote:
>> The mcHF does indeed have FreeDV built in RX and TX (I'm looking
>> right at it)
>>
>> I'm running ver 1.5.7 of the firmware (Ia little old as I have not
>> updated it recently)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Bob Nielsen <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> *To:* [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 7:13 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
>>
>> While the mcHF has some digital audio circuitry, I don't believe it
>> provides a digital voice mode.
>>
>> FreeDV is a very narrow-band (1.1 kHz) digital voice mode using the
>> open-source Codec2, developed by VK5DGR.  One can run FreeDV without a
>> computer using the Rowetel SM1000 adapter
>> (https://www.tindie.com/products/edwin/sm1000-freedv-adpapter/). This
>> should work nicely with a KX2 or KX3 for portable FreeDV operation.  I
>> haven't tried doing that but it looks fairly straightforward.
>>
>> Bob, N7XY
>>
>>
>> On 3/27/17 2:28 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> >  I would like to see Elecraft built it into their firmware.
>> > I have a mcHF QRP radio that has Digital Voice in it
>> >
>> >        From: Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>> >  To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>> >  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:13 PM
>> >  Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
>> >
>> > Greetings to all,
>> >
>> > The K3/K3s is an excellent radio for digital modes due to the ease of
>> > interfacing with a computer if desired.  A computer is not even needed
>> > for some digital modes, and I have tried that successfully.
>> >
>> > I have mentioned in the past that I had tried the free software for
>> > digital voice on HF called 'FreeDV'.  I had worked a Canadian ham a few
>> > times using it and he has been keeping in contact with me via email
>> > encouraging me to get back into it.  I am starting to get up to date
>> > again, and I found accurate reviews of it on
>> > http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11016   by K2RWF and WA0TPN.  I
>> think
>> > you will find the reviews interesting and informative.
>> >
>> > Notice that the reviews seem to be either at, or near, 5/5 or 0/5. I
>> > think both of the reviews I mentioned answer why that is.  I will keep
>> > my experience mute and let you glean aye/nay from the reviews. Whether
>> > you approve of digital voice or not, the K3/K3s is a natural for using
>> > it, and it's fun.  (As always with digital modes, be kind to your
>> finals.)
>> >
>> > FYI,
>> > Dick, n0ce
>> >
>> >
>>
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The mcHF is nice but it is still a work in progress.
But it does show what can be done.



-------- Original message --------
From: Bob Nielsen <[hidden email]>
Date: 2017-03-27  10:46 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: Harry Yingst <[hidden email]>, Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV


    The more I look at the mcHF, the more impressed I become.  Once I
      get caught up with my current projects I'll seriously consider
      getting one. 

   
    The FreeDV code and more importantly Codec2 are indeed open
      source.  I don't know how much room there is in the K3/KX3/KX2
      firmware to add something like this but if possible, it would be
      quite useful in getting more FreeDV activity going.  in the
      meantime, I'll make up some cables to connect my KX2 to my SM1000
      and give it a try.
    Bob, N7XY

   
   

    On 3/27/17 6:54 PM, Harry Yingst wrote:

   
   
     
       
        There is a different
            group working on the firmware now  http://df8oe.github.io/mchf-github/ 
       

         
       

       
        As I understand it the
          FreeDV code is open source so Elecraft would not need to
          reinvent the wheel.
       

       
       

       
       

         

       
       
         
           
               
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                  Bob Nielsen <[hidden email]>

                  To:
                  Harry Yingst <[hidden email]>

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                  Monday, March 27, 2017 9:49 PM

                  Subject:
                  Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV

                 
             

               
                 
                    Strangely
                      the mcHF website doesn't seem to mention it but
                      that's great. 

                   
                   

                   
                      On 3/27/17
                        6:15 PM, Harry Yingst wrote:

                     
                     
                       
                          The
                            mcHF does indeed have FreeDV built in RX and
                            TX (I'm looking right at it)

                         
                         

                         
                          I'm
                            running ver 1.5.7 of the firmware (Ia little
                            old as I have not updated it recently)
                         

                         
                         

                         
                         

                           

                         
                         
                           
                             
                               
                                   
                                   From:
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                                  To:
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                                  Sent:
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                                  Subject:
                                  Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes,
                                  specifically DV

                               
                               

                                  While
                                    the mcHF has some digital audio
                                    circuitry, I don't believe it

                                    provides a digital voice mode.

                                   

                                    FreeDV is a very narrow-band (1.1
                                    kHz) digital voice mode using the

                                    open-source Codec2, developed by
                                    VK5DGR.  One can run FreeDV without
                                    a

                                    computer using the Rowetel SM1000
                                    adapter

                                    (https://www.tindie.com/products/edwin/sm1000-freedv-adpapter/).
                                    This

                                    should work nicely with a KX2 or KX3
                                    for portable FreeDV operation.  I

                                    haven't tried doing that but it
                                    looks fairly straightforward.

                                   

                                    Bob, N7XY

                                   

                                   

                                      On 3/27/17 2:28 PM, Harry Yingst
                                      via Elecraft wrote:

                                      >  I would like to see Elecraft
                                      built it into their firmware.

                                      > I have a mcHF QRP radio that
                                      has Digital Voice in it

                                      >

                                      >        From: Richard Fjeld
                                      <[hidden email]>

                                      >  To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>

                                      >  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017
                                      2:13 PM

                                      >  Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s;
                                      Digital modes, specifically DV

                                      >   

                                      > Greetings to all,

                                      >

                                      > The K3/K3s is an excellent
                                      radio for digital modes due to the
                                      ease of

                                      > interfacing with a computer
                                      if desired.  A computer is not
                                      even needed

                                      > for some digital modes, and I
                                      have tried that successfully.

                                      >

                                      > I have mentioned in the past
                                      that I had tried the free software
                                      for

                                      > digital voice on HF called
                                      'FreeDV'.  I had worked a Canadian
                                      ham a few

                                      > times using it and he has
                                      been keeping in contact with me
                                      via email

                                      > encouraging me to get back
                                      into it.  I am starting to get up
                                      to date

                                      > again, and I found accurate
                                      reviews of it on

                                      > http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11016
                                        by K2RWF and WA0TPN.  I
                                      think

                                      > you will find the reviews
                                      interesting and informative.

                                      >

                                      > Notice that the reviews seem
                                      to be either at, or near, 5/5 or
                                      0/5. I

                                      > think both of the reviews I
                                      mentioned answer why that is.  I
                                      will keep

                                      > my experience mute and let
                                      you glean aye/nay from the
                                      reviews. Whether

                                      > you approve of digital voice
                                      or not, the K3/K3s is a natural
                                      for using

                                      > it, and it's fun.  (As always
                                      with digital modes, be kind to
                                      your finals.)

                                      >

                                      > FYI,

                                      > Dick, n0ce

                                      >

                                      >

                                     

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Re: K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV

Matthew Cook
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I'd wait until David VK5DGR gets the FreeDV bit rate lower which will
improve the Eb/n0 requirements and bring the performance closer to that of
SSB.  If you're not already following along on David's blog it's worth a
read (http://www.rowetel.com/) his writing style is easy going and he
explains things well.

His current work on Codec2 700C surpassing MELP 600 in performance along
with some new modem ideas will push the limits of what's possible with
Digital voice on HF.  It will not be long and the performance of FreeDV
will be equal too if not surpass SSB on a standard HF channel.  Yes this
can be done already, however you do end up sounding like donald duck and a
bit robotic for my liking on current technology.  The work on Codec2 will
change this.

While the FreeDV code base (Modem + Codec2) is open source the integration
work is not insignificant.  The current FreeDV codebase in the SM1000 runs
on a STM32V405xxx 32-bit ARM core clocked at 168MHz with a real FPU and no
RTOS it runs bare metal.  That is some serious beans in terms of DSP
processing !!!  The effort involved in bringing this into any product
should not be underestimated, there is still some very serious work to do
which results in $$$ spent.

While FreeDV is under active development interfacing a linux based laptop
to the K3 and using this to keep up with the Jones's is perhaps the best
course of action.  Those with the K3s are already ahead of those with a
stock K3 since they already have the internal USB sound card.  However
making cables for laptops and PTT cct's isn't hard either.

Once the performance of FreeDV surpasses that of standard SSB then would it
be time for internal integration work to begin.  I'm fingers crossed that
the processors and DSP in the next iteration of the K-line will have enough
processing beans to "answer the meaning of life the universe and
everything" in real time.  As David tells me on the local repeater most
mornings "MIPS are cheap".  That is about the time frame I'd expect both of
these technologies to collide.

YMMV.

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

On 28 March 2017 at 04:40, Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Greetings to all,
>
> The K3/K3s is an excellent radio for digital modes due to the ease of
> interfacing with a computer if desired.  A computer is not even needed
> for some digital modes, and I have tried that successfully.
>
> I have mentioned in the past that I had tried the free software for
> digital voice on HF called 'FreeDV'.  I had worked a Canadian ham a few
> times using it and he has been keeping in contact with me via email
> encouraging me to get back into it.  I am starting to get up to date
> again, and I found accurate reviews of it on
> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11016   by K2RWF and WA0TPN.  I think
> you will find the reviews interesting and informative.
>
> Notice that the reviews seem to be either at, or near, 5/5 or 0/5. I
> think both of the reviews I mentioned answer why that is.  I will keep
> my experience mute and let you glean aye/nay from the reviews. Whether
> you approve of digital voice or not, the K3/K3s is a natural for using
> it, and it's fun.  (As always with digital modes, be kind to your finals.)
>
> FYI,
> Dick, n0ce
>
>
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Re: K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV

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I second this! I've played with FreeDV too and it has some great possibilities. The only issue run into is there's only a small group of people using it so it's often hard to find someone else on to talk to. I find It works best on the higher (and quieter) frequencies such as 20m and up. So you have to catch an opening and find people that are the right distance away and monitoring in FreeDV mode.

I really hope we can get more people interested in FreeDV and if it could be added into the K and KX series firmware update that would help it grow.

Brian ve3bwp

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 16:08:16 -0700
From: Bob Nielsen <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

While the mcHF has some digital audio circuitry, I don't believe it
provides a digital voice mode.

FreeDV is a very narrow-band (1.1 kHz) digital voice mode using the
open-source Codec2, developed by VK5DGR.  One can run FreeDV without a
computer using the Rowetel SM1000 adapter
(https://www.tindie.com/products/edwin/sm1000-freedv-adpapter/). This
should work nicely with a KX2 or KX3 for portable FreeDV operation.  I
haven't tried doing that but it looks fairly straightforward.

Bob, N7XY


On 3/27/17 2:28 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

>  I would like to see Elecraft built it into their firmware.
> I have a mcHF QRP radio that has Digital Voice in it
>
>       From: Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]>
>  To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
>  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:13 PM
>  Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
>
> Greetings to all,
>
> The K3/K3s is an excellent radio for digital modes due to the ease of
> interfacing with a computer if desired.  A computer is not even needed
> for some digital modes, and I have tried that successfully.
>
> I have mentioned in the past that I had tried the free software for
> digital voice on HF called 'FreeDV'.  I had worked a Canadian ham a few
> times using it and he has been keeping in contact with me via email
> encouraging me to get back into it.  I am starting to get up to date
> again, and I found accurate reviews of it on
> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11016   by K2RWF and WA0TPN.  I think
> you will find the reviews interesting and informative.
>
> Notice that the reviews seem to be either at, or near, 5/5 or 0/5. I
> think both of the reviews I mentioned answer why that is.  I will keep
> my experience mute and let you glean aye/nay from the reviews. Whether
> you approve of digital voice or not, the K3/K3s is a natural for using
> it, and it's fun.  (As always with digital modes, be kind to your finals.)
>
> FYI,
> Dick, n0ce
>
>



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I had my mcHF sitting here monitoring 14.236 in FreeDV Mode and one day it started talking.
At the time I was on the phone with a coworker who also was a ham so he understood my Nerd Out moment of excitement.



      From: Brian Pietrzyk <[hidden email]>
 To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
 Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
   
I second this! I've played with FreeDV too and it has some great possibilities. The only issue run into is there's only a small group of people using it so it's often hard to find someone else on to talk to. I find It works best on the higher (and quieter) frequencies such as 20m and up. So you have to catch an opening and find people that are the right distance away and monitoring in FreeDV mode.

I really hope we can get more people interested in FreeDV and if it could be added into the K and KX series firmware update that would help it grow.

Brian ve3bwp

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 16:08:16 -0700
From: Bob Nielsen <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

While the mcHF has some digital audio circuitry, I don't believe it
provides a digital voice mode.

FreeDV is a very narrow-band (1.1 kHz) digital voice mode using the
open-source Codec2, developed by VK5DGR.  One can run FreeDV without a
computer using the Rowetel SM1000 adapter
(https://www.tindie.com/products/edwin/sm1000-freedv-adpapter/). This
should work nicely with a KX2 or KX3 for portable FreeDV operation.  I
haven't tried doing that but it looks fairly straightforward.

Bob, N7XY


On 3/27/17 2:28 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

>  I would like to see Elecraft built it into their firmware.
> I have a mcHF QRP radio that has Digital Voice in it
>
>      From: Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]>
>  To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
>  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:13 PM
>  Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV
>
> Greetings to all,
>
> The K3/K3s is an excellent radio for digital modes due to the ease of
> interfacing with a computer if desired.  A computer is not even needed
> for some digital modes, and I have tried that successfully.
>
> I have mentioned in the past that I had tried the free software for
> digital voice on HF called 'FreeDV'.  I had worked a Canadian ham a few
> times using it and he has been keeping in contact with me via email
> encouraging me to get back into it.  I am starting to get up to date
> again, and I found accurate reviews of it on
> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11016   by K2RWF and WA0TPN.  I think
> you will find the reviews interesting and informative.
>
> Notice that the reviews seem to be either at, or near, 5/5 or 0/5. I
> think both of the reviews I mentioned answer why that is.  I will keep
> my experience mute and let you glean aye/nay from the reviews. Whether
> you approve of digital voice or not, the K3/K3s is a natural for using
> it, and it's fun.  (As always with digital modes, be kind to your finals.)
>
> FYI,
> Dick, n0ce
>
>



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Re: K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV

Richard Fjeld-2
In reply to this post by ve3bwp
Another fellow about 125 miles away experimented with me on 75 meters
during a summer evening in conditions we would not have wanted to
operate in otherwise.  We were surprised to find that fading was more of
a problem.

Dick, n0ce


On 3/28/2017 10:57 AM, Brian Pietrzyk wrote:
> I second this! I've played with FreeDV too and it has some great possibilities. The only issue run into is there's only a small group of people using it so it's often hard to find someone else on to talk to. I find It works best on the higher (and quieter) frequencies such as 20m and up. So you have to catch an opening and find people that are the right distance away and monitoring in FreeDV mode.
>
> I really hope we can get more people interested in FreeDV and if it could be added into the K and KX series firmware update that would help it grow.
>
> Brian ve3bwp
>
>
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Re: K3/K3s; Digital modes, specifically DV

Matt Zilmer-3
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I loaded FreeDV today, on an Ubuntu i5-64bit laptop. It works quite
well.  I heard no calls on 14.236 MHZ, but the receive function is
working.  I'm having the usual fun setting up PTT, but it will come
along over time.

Tried doing the same thing on the Windoze 7-64 box, and Panda AV decided
it was a virus and sidetracked it, meaning it IS a virus.   That would
be the installer program.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Just
curious. I've had other programs trigger Panda to flush them, but
nothing like this.

Thanks and 73,

matt W6NIA


On 3/27/2017 11:10 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote:

> Greetings to all,
>
> The K3/K3s is an excellent radio for digital modes due to the ease of
> interfacing with a computer if desired.  A computer is not even needed
> for some digital modes, and I have tried that successfully.
>
> I have mentioned in the past that I had tried the free software for
> digital voice on HF called 'FreeDV'.  I had worked a Canadian ham a few
> times using it and he has been keeping in contact with me via email
> encouraging me to get back into it.  I am starting to get up to date
> again, and I found accurate reviews of it on
> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11016   by K2RWF and WA0TPN.  I think
> you will find the reviews interesting and informative.
>
> Notice that the reviews seem to be either at, or near, 5/5 or 0/5. I
> think both of the reviews I mentioned answer why that is.  I will keep
> my experience mute and let you glean aye/nay from the reviews. Whether
> you approve of digital voice or not, the K3/K3s is a natural for using
> it, and it's fun.  (As always with digital modes, be kind to your finals.)
>
> FYI,
> Dick, n0ce
>
>

--
"A delay is better than a disaster."
-- unknonwn

Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
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Richard Fjeld-2
There are several FreeDV videos on YouTube.  Here is one that is a quick
start guide.  I don't know if there are restrictions for posting links.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zijJ556cs08

Dick, n0ce



On 3/28/2017 8:00 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote:

> I loaded FreeDV today, on an Ubuntu i5-64bit laptop. It works quite
> well.  I heard no calls on 14.236 MHZ, but the receive function is
> working.  I'm having the usual fun setting up PTT, but it will come
> along over time.
>
> Tried doing the same thing on the Windoze 7-64 box, and Panda AV
> decided it was a virus and sidetracked it, meaning it IS a virus.  
> That would be the installer program.  Has anyone else had this
> problem?  Just curious. I've had other programs trigger Panda to flush
> them, but nothing like this.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
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