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Ken817821

K3: Key down, Operator trouble, etc.

I am afraid this will lead us to need a reminder function to alert the operator to possibly lock bands. This will only sound when the date coincides with a contest. Then we will need another facility to select only the contests we need to be reminded of so we can possibly lock the band change. Then we will need a reminder for where we left the manual since we will have forgotten how to do it.

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>>>I thought of another feature to help fix the stupid user issue. How
about a lock that doesn't allow a band change. Such as a special way to
use the lock button that doesn't lock one out from QSYing but doesn't
allow them to move off of say 40 meters. We had a death to a band pass
filter cause some one turned their equipment over to a new ham on
another one of the stations and a feature that locks from going to
another band could have prevented that. Also would be useful for when
you don't have the tuner nor an external and your antenna is only good
on one band.

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alsopb

Re: K3: Key down, Operator trouble, etc.

In my opinion you don't want to burden the radio with this.

The preferred way is to use any contesting program for logging and set
it up to be a single band operation.

Trying to make the radio so "smart" that it compensates for operator
error is inappropriate.
The op makes a mistake, tough. Perhaps he will learn from it and move on.

73 de Brian/K3KO

Kenneth Waites wrote:

>I am afraid this will lead us to need a reminder function to alert the operator to possibly lock bands. This will only sound when the date coincides with a contest. Then we will need another facility to select only the contests we need to be reminded of so we can possibly lock the band change. Then we will need a reminder for where we left the manual since we will have forgotten how to do it.
>
>....................................................................................................
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>
>
>
>>>>I thought of another feature to help fix the stupid user issue. How
>>>>
>>>>
>about a lock that doesn't allow a band change. Such as a special way to
>use the lock button that doesn't lock one out from QSYing but doesn't
>allow them to move off of say 40 meters. We had a death to a band pass
>filter cause some one turned their equipment over to a new ham on
>another one of the stations and a feature that locks from going to
>another band could have prevented that. Also would be useful for when
>you don't have the tuner nor an external and your antenna is only good
>on one band.
>
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Alexandr Kobranov

Re: K3: Key down, Operator trouble, etc.

Yes, one thing is not to make radis so "smart" and second one is how
much cost all around which can be destroyed by some stupid mistake.

Such option - locking band - is not critical one but can help also in
transverter mode, when only selected transverter band will be "permitted".
In case when transverter is driven by standard ANT port with let say
0,2W max out, switching to some standrd HF band with standard output
power (12W max resp. 100W max) and short attempt to TX can destroy TX
line in transverter I suppose. (Not tested - yet - :))

There is no way how to rely on PC control if BAND up/down button is
still active and human being is operating station... Especially
inmultioperator enviroment with different operators and skills.

73!
Lexa, ok1dst

Brian Alsop napsal(a):

> In my opinion you don't want to burden the radio with this.
>
> The preferred way is to use any contesting program for logging and set
> it up to be a single band operation.
>
> Trying to make the radio so "smart" that it compensates for operator
> error is inappropriate. The op makes a mistake, tough. Perhaps he will
> learn from it and move on.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
> Kenneth Waites wrote:
>
>> I am afraid this will lead us to need a reminder function to alert
>> the operator to possibly lock bands. This will only sound when the
>> date coincides with a contest. Then we will need another facility to
>> select only the contests we need to be reminded of so we can possibly
>> lock the band change. Then we will need a reminder for where we left
>> the manual since we will have forgotten how to do it.
>>
>> ....................................................................................................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> I thought of another feature to help fix the stupid user issue. How
>>>>>
>> about a lock that doesn't allow a band change. Such as a special way to
>> use the lock button that doesn't lock one out from QSYing but doesn't
>> allow them to move off of say 40 meters. We had a death to a band pass
>> filter cause some one turned their equipment over to a new ham on
>> another one of the stations and a feature that locks from going to
>> another band could have prevented that. Also would be useful for when
>> you don't have the tuner nor an external and your antenna is only good
>> on one band.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3: Key down, Operator trouble, etc.

There was discussion of a future firmware change that would allow
different confgurations to be loaded - such as only 80, 40, 20, 15, and
10 for a specific contest. Once implemented, and when taken to extreme,
the K3 could be configured for only one band. In my opinion, a
configuration like that is much more acceptable than a button (like the
VFO LOCK) to lock the K3 on one band.

73,
Don W3FPR

Alexandr Kobranov wrote:

> Yes, one thing is not to make radis so "smart" and second one is how
> much cost all around which can be destroyed by some stupid mistake.
>
> Such option - locking band - is not critical one but can help also in
> transverter mode, when only selected transverter band will be "permitted".
> In case when transverter is driven by standard ANT port with let say
> 0,2W max out, switching to some standrd HF band with standard output
> power (12W max resp. 100W max) and short attempt to TX can destroy TX
> line in transverter I suppose. (Not tested - yet - :))
>
> There is no way how to rely on PC control if BAND up/down button is
> still active and human being is operating station... Especially
> inmultioperator enviroment with different operators and skills.
>
> 73!
> Lexa, ok1dst
>
> Brian Alsop napsal(a):
>> In my opinion you don't want to burden the radio with this.
>>
>> The preferred way is to use any contesting program for logging and set
>> it up to be a single band operation.
>>

ac0h

Re: K3: Key down, Operator trouble, etc.

In reply to this post by alsopb

Bravo! Excellent post!

There are some things which just go with being an Amateur, like,
learning how to use the rig WAAAY before the contest or DXpedition,
making sure an antenna is hooked up, knowing what frequency you're
transmitting on before you transmit, etc....

I think it's a bad idea to rely on software in the radio to do the basic
"radio" stuff that we should already know how to do. So what if you lose
a couple 3 Q's per hour, or, heaven forbid have to wait another 5
minutes to get that rare one in the log because you have to manually
check that the antenna, frequency on the radio and amp all match up?

This is one of the reasons I'm all for Ham Radio newby's buying old
hybrid rigs like the 530/830S or one of the Yaesu's as a first rig.
There is a process required that forces the operator to slow down and
pay attention.

Off my box, carry on.

Brian Alsop wrote:
> In my opinion you don't want to burden the radio with this.
>
> The preferred way is to use any contesting program for logging and set
> it up to be a single band operation.
>
> Trying to make the radio so "smart" that it compensates for operator
> error is inappropriate. The op makes a mistake, tough. Perhaps he
> will learn from it and move on.

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Alexandr Kobranov

Re: K3: Key down, Operator trouble, etc.

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Yes, you are right, Don.

I do not believe that this is possible by one button, maybe in CONFIG:
BAND ENABLE yes/no as band specific option. Then in any stored profile
simply recalled.
But talking about "contest setup" is more specific as there are some
segments per mode according IARU etc..
(just joking but having sometimes SSB stations on low part of 160 or
40m during contest is not good experience - maybe some rigid profiles
can "cure" this...:-)
73!
L. -dst-

Don Wilhelm napsal(a):

> There was discussion of a future firmware change that would allow
> different confgurations to be loaded - such as only 80, 40, 20, 15, and
> 10 for a specific contest. Once implemented, and when taken to extreme,
> the K3 could be configured for only one band. In my opinion, a
> configuration like that is much more acceptable than a button (like the
> VFO LOCK) to lock the K3 on one band.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Alexandr Kobranov wrote:
>> Yes, one thing is not to make radis so "smart" and second one is how
>> much cost all around which can be destroyed by some stupid mistake.
>>
>> Such option - locking band - is not critical one but can help also in
>> transverter mode, when only selected transverter band will be
>> "permitted".
>> In case when transverter is driven by standard ANT port with let say
>> 0,2W max out, switching to some standrd HF band with standard output
>> power (12W max resp. 100W max) and short attempt to TX can destroy TX
>> line in transverter I suppose. (Not tested - yet - :))
>>
>> There is no way how to rely on PC control if BAND up/down button is
>> still active and human being is operating station... Especially
>> inmultioperator enviroment with different operators and skills.
>>
>> 73!
>> Lexa, ok1dst
>>
>> Brian Alsop napsal(a):
>>> In my opinion you don't want to burden the radio with this.
>>>
>>> The preferred way is to use any contesting program for logging and
>>> set it up to be a single band operation.
>>>
>

Brett Howard

Re: K3: Key down, Operator trouble, etc.

In reply to this post by alsopb

I was thinking it would be nice for the owner of the radio. Cause if
the op isn't the owner and the op makes a mistake the owner is out. But
ok I'm an idiot.

On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 12:44 +0000, Brian Alsop wrote:

> In my opinion you don't want to burden the radio with this.
>
> The preferred way is to use any contesting program for logging and set
> it up to be a single band operation.
>
> Trying to make the radio so "smart" that it compensates for operator
> error is inappropriate.
> The op makes a mistake, tough. Perhaps he will learn from it and move on.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
> Kenneth Waites wrote:
>
> >I am afraid this will lead us to need a reminder function to alert the operator to possibly lock bands. This will only sound when the date coincides with a contest. Then we will need another facility to select only the contests we need to be reminded of so we can possibly lock the band change. Then we will need a reminder for where we left the manual since we will have forgotten how to do it.
> >
> >....................................................................................................
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>I thought of another feature to help fix the stupid user issue. How
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >about a lock that doesn't allow a band change. Such as a special way to
> >use the lock button that doesn't lock one out from QSYing but doesn't
> >allow them to move off of say 40 meters. We had a death to a band pass
> >filter cause some one turned their equipment over to a new ham on
> >another one of the stations and a feature that locks from going to
> >another band could have prevented that. Also would be useful for when
> >you don't have the tuner nor an external and your antenna is only good
> >on one band.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Brett Howard

Re: K3: Key down, Operator trouble, etc.

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Agreed this is a very interesting proposition.

On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 10:00 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> There was discussion of a future firmware change that would allow
> different confgurations to be loaded - such as only 80, 40, 20, 15, and
> 10 for a specific contest. Once implemented, and when taken to extreme,
> the K3 could be configured for only one band. In my opinion, a
> configuration like that is much more acceptable than a button (like the
> VFO LOCK) to lock the K3 on one band.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Alexandr Kobranov wrote:
> > Yes, one thing is not to make radis so "smart" and second one is how
> > much cost all around which can be destroyed by some stupid mistake.
> >
> > Such option - locking band - is not critical one but can help also in
> > transverter mode, when only selected transverter band will be "permitted".
> > In case when transverter is driven by standard ANT port with let say
> > 0,2W max out, switching to some standrd HF band with standard output
> > power (12W max resp. 100W max) and short attempt to TX can destroy TX
> > line in transverter I suppose. (Not tested - yet - :))
> >
> > There is no way how to rely on PC control if BAND up/down button is
> > still active and human being is operating station... Especially
> > inmultioperator enviroment with different operators and skills.
> >
> > 73!
> > Lexa, ok1dst
> >
> > Brian Alsop napsal(a):
> >> In my opinion you don't want to burden the radio with this.
> >>
> >> The preferred way is to use any contesting program for logging and set
> >> it up to be a single band operation.
> >>
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