[K3] Lack of audio punch

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[K3] Lack of audio punch

Barry
Hi all,
I listened to my QSOs with GW4BLE in the ARRL DX SSB test via his web
applet (very cool!) at http://gw4ble.dxlist.co.uk/index.php

IMO,  my audio lacks punch.  I'm using the MH-2 mic with comp at 26. TX
EQ settings: -16 -16 -12 0 0 +6 +6 +4.

Any thoughts on how to improve the punch?

My callsign was pre-recorded and stored in the K3 DVR.  When listening
thru the MON, live audio sounds much better than the DVR playback of my
callsign.  Does recorded audio in the DVR go through the TX EQ filters
either when recorded or during playback?  How about compression?

Tnx,
Barry W2UP

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Re: [K3] Lack of audio punch

M0XDF
I believe that MH2 needs bias - I assume you had that set ?
73 de M0XDF
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On 20 Mar 2011, at 21:06, Barry wrote:

> Hi all,
> I listened to my QSOs with GW4BLE in the ARRL DX SSB test via his web
> applet (very cool!) at http://gw4ble.dxlist.co.uk/index.php
>
> IMO,  my audio lacks punch.  I'm using the MH-2 mic with comp at 26. TX
> EQ settings: -16 -16 -12 0 0 +6 +6 +4.
>
> Any thoughts on how to improve the punch?
>
> My callsign was pre-recorded and stored in the K3 DVR.  When listening
> thru the MON, live audio sounds much better than the DVR playback of my
> callsign.  Does recorded audio in the DVR go through the TX EQ filters
> either when recorded or during playback?  How about compression?

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Re: [K3] Lack of audio punch

Barry
Yes.
Barry W2UP

On 3/20/2011 3:39 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
> I believe that MH2 needs bias - I assume you had that set ?
> 73 de M0XDF

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Barry Kutner, W2UP             Lakewood, CO

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Re: [K3] Lack of audio punch

Don Wilhelm-4
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  Barry,

How far up is the ALC meter "kicking".  It should be showing 5 to 7
bars.  If it is lower than that, go back to the beginning and adjust
your mic gain - first set compression to zero, then set TX TEST so you
don't bother others on the air, and adjust the mic gain until you
illuminate ALC to 5 to 7 bars with normal speech.  Then add compression
as you wish (you can use the monitor to judge that).

With the MH2, there is already some high frequency peaking, so you may
do well to set all of the TX EQ bands to 0 except for the two lowest
bands.  No guarantees, but it is worth a try.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/20/2011 5:06 PM, Barry wrote:

> Hi all,
> I listened to my QSOs with GW4BLE in the ARRL DX SSB test via his web
> applet (very cool!) at http://gw4ble.dxlist.co.uk/index.php
>
> IMO,  my audio lacks punch.  I'm using the MH-2 mic with comp at 26. TX
> EQ settings: -16 -16 -12 0 0 +6 +6 +4.
>
> Any thoughts on how to improve the punch?
>
> My callsign was pre-recorded and stored in the K3 DVR.  When listening
> thru the MON, live audio sounds much better than the DVR playback of my
> callsign.  Does recorded audio in the DVR go through the TX EQ filters
> either when recorded or during playback?  How about compression?
>
> Tnx,
> Barry W2UP
>
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KK7P
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Hello Barry!

> Any thoughts on how to improve the punch?

Different voices have different amplitude levels at the pitches that
penetrate, so the appropriate settings are all a matter of testing and
adjusting and testing again.

> My callsign was pre-recorded and stored in the K3 DVR.  When listening
> thru the MON, live audio sounds much better than the DVR playback of my
> callsign.  Does recorded audio in the DVR go through the TX EQ filters
> either when recorded or during playback?  How about compression?


DVR audio is substituted in the path instead of mic audio.  So, sending
a DVR message you can then adjust TX  EQ and CMP and hear the effect of
the adjustments.

Using TX TEST mode, you can do this without radiating a signal or
warming your dummy load.

73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: [K3] Lack of audio punch

Jim Brown-10
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On 3/20/2011 3:28 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> ow far up is the ALC meter "kicking".  It should be showing 5 to 7
> bars.  If it is lower than that, go back to the beginning and adjust
> your mic gain - first set compression to zero, then set TX TEST so you
> don't bother others on the air, and adjust the mic gain until you
> illuminate ALC to 5 to 7 bars with normal speech.  Then add compression
> as you wish (you can use the monitor to judge that).

YES.   VERY often, I hear audio that is so badly distorted that it is
muffled and hard to copy. The fix is VERY simple -- TURN DOWN THE AUDIO
GAIN!  The directions Don has given you (and that are in the Elecraft
manual) are exactly the right way to get there. As to compression,  I
like to see no more than about 10 dB of compression on voice peaks. Use
the meter display that allows you to see ALC and COMP.  The NUMBER that
you need to get there doesn't matter. What matters is how high the COMP
meter goes.

> With the MH2, there is already some high frequency peaking, so you may
> do well to set all of the TX EQ bands to 0 except for the two lowest
> bands.  No guarantees, but it is worth a try.

All of the Heil mics I've heard have been harsh, so the last thing I
would do is add high peaking (that is, boosting the higher bands).  I
WOULD roll off the lower two or three bands the maximum amount.

BTW -- you should ALWAYS adjust TXEQ BEFORE setting Mic Gain and COMP,
because TXEQ can have a HUGE effect on those settings.

73, Jim Brown K9YC.

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Re: [K3] Lack of audio punch

Barry
Thanks for all the comments, on and off list.

I did a little tweaking and am happy with the live mic audio as I listen to it with headphones.  I also, re-recorded my DVR message.  It still sounds much weaker than the live mic audio.  Am I missing an AF gain setting, or something else, for the DVR?

Tnx,
barry W2UP