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Ian Kahn, KM4IK

[K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

All,

After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the last few
years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies special event
stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find myself ready to add
a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and in order to minimize desk
clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 s/n 281 as a possible solution.
However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have the
KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer because it
has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission of the recorded
message and dropping transmit at the end of the message. Before I drop $150
on a component that might not be the solution I'm looking for, I would love
to get others' opinions and feedback on their experiences using the KDVR3 as
a voice keyer.

Thanks and 73,

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA EM74ua
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Rick Prather-3

Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Ian,

If you get good at making the recording you can have virtually no delay at
either the beginning or end of the message.

Rick
K6LE

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Ian - Ham <[hidden email]> wrote:

> All,
>
>
>
> After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the last
> few
> years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies special event
> stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find myself ready to
> add
> a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and in order to minimize
> desk
> clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 s/n 281 as a possible solution.
> However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have the
> KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer because it
> has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission of the recorded
> message and dropping transmit at the end of the message. Before I drop $150
> on a component that might not be the solution I'm looking for, I would love
> to get others' opinions and feedback on their experiences using the KDVR3
> as
> a voice keyer.
>
>
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
>
>
> --Ian
>
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA EM74ua
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
>
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
>
>
>
>
>
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charlie carroll

Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

In reply to this post by Ian Kahn, KM4IK

Ian:
I agree with the observations about the delay times when using the
KDVR3. If you're a S&P, 1 QSO/hr kind of operator, then it's probably
not a big deal. At 200+ Qs/hr, the delays are noticeable (and
aggravating). On March 11th of this year, I sent a feature request to
the reflector asking for some method to get around these delays.
Unfortunately, I never heard any response from Elecraft.

You can reduce the initiate delay by being "fast on the buttons," but,
as I found, it's not something I want to do during a contest.

The KDVR3 is nice that it's integrated into the K3 so that another box
and cables don't have to be thrown into my bag when traveling.

73 charlie, k1xx/vp2mmf

On 7/20/2016 6:29 PM, Ian - Ham wrote:

> All,
>
>
>
> After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the last few
> years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies special event
> stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find myself ready to add
> a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and in order to minimize desk
> clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 s/n 281 as a possible solution.
> However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have the
> KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer because it
> has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission of the recorded
> message and dropping transmit at the end of the message. Before I drop $150
> on a component that might not be the solution I'm looking for, I would love
> to get others' opinions and feedback on their experiences using the KDVR3 as
> a voice keyer.
>
>
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
>
>
> --Ian
>
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA EM74ua
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
>
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
>
>
>
>
>
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Clay Autery

Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

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Yep... I don't have any delay at all at the beginning OR end... Just
a matter of timing the REC button pushes.

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On 7/20/2016 6:17 PM, Rick Prather wrote:
> Ian,
>
> If you get good at making the recording you can have virtually no delay at
> either the beginning or end of the message.
>
> Rick
> K6LE

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Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

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Ian,

I agree! I have two K3 with KDVRs and two without. But All four of my K3
are using external Microham Microkeyers II because the internal KDVK is not
responsive enough for high rate contesting.

I would love for this to be address by Elecraft so the investment can be
used every day and not just on dxpeditions when packing space is limited.

73 Bill W4RM

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
charlie carroll
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 8:03 PM
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Ian:
I agree with the observations about the delay times when using the KDVR3.
If you're a S&P, 1 QSO/hr kind of operator, then it's probably not a big
deal. At 200+ Qs/hr, the delays are noticeable (and aggravating). On March
11th of this year, I sent a feature request to the reflector asking for some
method to get around these delays.
Unfortunately, I never heard any response from Elecraft.

You can reduce the initiate delay by being "fast on the buttons," but, as I
found, it's not something I want to do during a contest.

The KDVR3 is nice that it's integrated into the K3 so that another box and
cables don't have to be thrown into my bag when traveling.

73 charlie, k1xx/vp2mmf

On 7/20/2016 6:29 PM, Ian - Ham wrote:
> All,
>
>
>
> After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the
> last few years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies
> special event stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find
> myself ready to add a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and
> in order to minimize desk clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 s/n
281 as a possible solution.

> However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have
> the
> KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer
> because it has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission
> of the recorded message and dropping transmit at the end of the
> message. Before I drop $150 on a component that might not be the
> solution I'm looking for, I would love to get others' opinions and
> feedback on their experiences using the KDVR3 as a voice keyer.
>
>
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
>
>
> --Ian
>
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA EM74ua
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
>
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
>
>
>
>
>
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Nr4c

Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

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I use my K3DVR a lot. It is useful for contests as well as day-to-day DXing, Who enjoys calling “CQ CQ” for hours or, repeating your call when trying to break tha pileup on K1N, etc?

Get it.

…bill nr4c

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Ian - Ham <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> All,
>
>
>
> After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the last few
> years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies special event
> stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find myself ready to add
> a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and in order to minimize desk
> clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 s/n 281 as a possible solution.
> However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have the
> KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer because it
> has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission of the recorded
> message and dropping transmit at the end of the message. Before I drop $150
> on a component that might not be the solution I'm looking for, I would love
> to get others' opinions and feedback on their experiences using the KDVR3 as
> a voice keyer.
>
>
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
>
>
> --Ian
>
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA EM74ua
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
>
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
>
>
>
>
>
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Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W

Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Hi guys,
I have my KDVR installed since my first K3.
My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in
particular if you're going to be low power.
No delays for me. Just need to be quick when you press the buttons, as the
recording starts immediately. The same applies for ending the
recording...usually after a few tries you get used to this.

I only miss two features:
- uploading and downloading audio from the PC would be great;
- Setting the repeat delay resolution to 1/10th of a second would be better
than the current setting of 1 second resolution (even 0.5s would be ok)

Just my 2 cents

Ciao,
Fabio
IZ4AFW / IO4W / NZ1W

2016-07-21 5:24 GMT+02:00 Bill Conkling <[hidden email]>:

> I use my K3DVR a lot. It is useful for contests as well as day-to-day
> DXing, Who enjoys calling “CQ CQ” for hours or, repeating your call when
> trying to break tha pileup on K1N, etc?
>
> Get it.
>
> …bill nr4c
>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Ian - Ham <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > All,
> >
> >
> >
> > After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the last
> few
> > years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies special event
> > stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find myself ready to
> add
> > a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and in order to minimize
> desk
> > clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 s/n 281 as a possible
> solution.
> > However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have the
> > KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer because
> it
> > has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission of the
> recorded
> > message and dropping transmit at the end of the message. Before I drop
> $150
> > on a component that might not be the solution I'm looking for, I would
> love
> > to get others' opinions and feedback on their experiences using the
> KDVR3 as
> > a voice keyer.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks and 73,
> >
> >
> >
> > --Ian
> >
> > Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> > Roswell, GA EM74ua
> > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> >
> > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
> >
> > PODXS 070 #1962
> > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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N2TK

Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

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I agree. Once you get the knack of it there is not an issue at high run
rates.
73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick
Prather
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:17 PM
Cc: Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Ian,

If you get good at making the recording you can have virtually no delay at
either the beginning or end of the message.

Rick
K6LE

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Ian - Ham <[hidden email]> wrote:

> All,
>
>
>
> After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the
> last few years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies
> special event stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find
> myself ready to add a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and
> in order to minimize desk clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3
> s/n 281 as a possible solution.
> However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have
> the
> KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer
> because it has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission
> of the recorded message and dropping transmit at the end of the
> message. Before I drop $150 on a component that might not be the
> solution I'm looking for, I would love to get others' opinions and
> feedback on their experiences using the KDVR3 as a voice keyer.
>
>
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
>
>
> --Ian
>
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA EM74ua
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
>
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
>
>
>
>
>
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Charlie T, K3ICH

Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

In reply to this post by Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W

Who exactly IS K3DVR ?

Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator" antenna
and changed his call when his company went public?

There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now.

73, Charlie k3ICH

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 AM
Cc: elecraft <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Hi guys,
I have my KDVR installed since my first K3.
My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in particular if you're going to be low power.
[hidden email]

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N2TK

Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Actually he is a guy that seems to repeat himself a lot. And it is the same
thing over and over. He can be very tiring but at the same time he gives you
some relief so you can keep your mouth shut.

N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Charlie T, K3ICH
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:47 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Who exactly IS K3DVR ?

Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator"
antenna and changed his call when his company went public?

There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now.

73, Charlie k3ICH

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fabio
IZ4AFW / NZ1W
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 AM
Cc: elecraft <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Hi guys,
I have my KDVR installed since my first K3.
My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in
particular if you're going to be low power.
[hidden email]

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Administrator

Actually, the correct name for the DVR option on the K3 and K3S is, drum roll..
'KDVR3' (not K3DVR) .

As noted by several other KDVR3 users, if the recording audio starts immediately
after pressing the button to start recording, and ended immediately after the
audio stops by pressing the button, there should be no delay on playback.

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 7/21/2016 5:09 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote:

> Actually he is a guy that seems to repeat himself a lot. And it is the same
> thing over and over. He can be very tiring but at the same time he gives you
> some relief so you can keep your mouth shut.
>
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Charlie T, K3ICH
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:47 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR
>
> Who exactly IS K3DVR ?
>
> Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator"
> antenna and changed his call when his company went public?
>
> There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fabio
> IZ4AFW / NZ1W
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 AM
> Cc: elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR
>
> Hi guys,
> I have my KDVR installed since my first K3.
> My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in
> particular if you're going to be low power.
> [hidden email]
>
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Ian Kahn, KM4IK

Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

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Charlie,

I meant KDVR3. I changed the nomenclature reference in the body of the
email, but forgot to change the subject line. My apologies for the
confusion.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA EM74ua
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10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Charlie T, K3ICH
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:47 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Who exactly IS K3DVR ?

Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator"
antenna and changed his call when his company went public?

There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now.

73, Charlie k3ICH

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fabio
IZ4AFW / NZ1W
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 AM
Cc: elecraft <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Hi guys,
I have my KDVR installed since my first K3.
My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in
particular if you're going to be low power.
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Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

OK. I'll admit to being confused. If there is no delay (Press and HOLD M!
if that is where I placed my voice recording) why would you NOT want a
delay, which is adjustable?

If there is no delay, how do I answer your call?....you will be
transmitting again so will not hear me?

When contesting, I set my time between Play-receive-play at 4 seconds to
allow me to hear somebody calling me. Am I missing something here?

Maybe this explains some stations not allowing enough delay or receive time
between calls so that i can't get my call out quick enough for them to hear
me before they transmit again.

Just curious.

To me the KDVR3 is essential for me, had it since day one 8 years ago.

Gary

On 22 July 2016 at 01:37, Ian - Ham <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Charlie,
>
> I meant KDVR3. I changed the nomenclature reference in the body of the
> email, but forgot to change the subject line. My apologies for the
> confusion.
>
> 73 de,
>
> --Ian
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Charlie T, K3ICH
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:47 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR
>
> Who exactly IS K3DVR ?
>
> Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator"
> antenna and changed his call when his company went public?
>
> There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Gary,

The delay I referred to originally is not between message cycles. It referred to the following: Press M1 to play CQ message -> Wait 1 second -> Message finally plays -> Wait another second -> DVR releases transmit so you can hear answering stations on receive.

I apologize if my original request caused confusion.

Thanks and 73,

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From: Gary Gregory [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:37 PM
To: Ian - Ham <[hidden email]>
Cc: Charlie T, K3ICH <[hidden email]>; Elecraft List <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

OK. I'll admit to being confused. If there is no delay (Press and HOLD M! if that is where I placed my voice recording) why would you NOT want a delay, which is adjustable?

If there is no delay, how do I answer your call?....you will be transmitting again so will not hear me?

When contesting, I set my time between Play-receive-play at 4 seconds to allow me to hear somebody calling me. Am I missing something here?

Maybe this explains some stations not allowing enough delay or receive time between calls so that i can't get my call out quick enough for them to hear me before they transmit again.

Just curious.

To me the KDVR3 is essential for me, had it since day one 8 years ago.

Gary

On 22 July 2016 at 01:37, Ian - Ham <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > wrote:

Charlie,

I meant KDVR3. I changed the nomenclature reference in the body of the
email, but forgot to change the subject line. My apologies for the
confusion.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
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-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> ] On Behalf Of

Charlie T, K3ICH
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:47 AM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Who exactly IS K3DVR ?

Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator"
antenna and changed his call when his company went public?

There's no listing on QRZ.COM <http://QRZ.COM> for that call, so I assume he's an SK now.

73, Charlie k3ICH

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Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Hi guys,
I have my KDVR installed since my first K3.
My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in
particular if you're going to be low power.
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Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

In reply to this post by Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

So, Eric, does that mean that, if I purchase a KDVR3, and it doesn't provide
the solution I'm looking for (for whatever reason), you'll buy it back from
me? :-)

Thanks for the feedback.

73 de,

--Ian
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Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:32 AM
To: N2TK, Tony <[hidden email]>; 'Charlie T, K3ICH'
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Actually, the correct name for the DVR option on the K3 and K3S is, drum
roll..
'KDVR3' (not K3DVR) .

As noted by several other KDVR3 users, if the recording audio starts
immediately after pressing the button to start recording, and ended
immediately after the audio stops by pressing the button, there should be no
delay on playback.

73,

Eric
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On 7/21/2016 5:09 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote:

> Actually he is a guy that seems to repeat himself a lot. And it is the
> same thing over and over. He can be very tiring but at the same time
> he gives you some relief so you can keep your mouth shut.
>
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Charlie T, K3ICH
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:47 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR
>
> Who exactly IS K3DVR ?
>
> Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator"
> antenna and changed his call when his company went public?
>
> There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
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Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

In reply to this post by Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

I find that the delay at the beginning and end of a K3 DVR recording is
100% controllable by me and with a minor amount of practice can be set
where needed to incorporate a proper "breath pause" to make concatenated
messages sound natural, or start and end right at the waveform edges.

Since I use N1MM to control the repeat timing, something which really needs
to be adjusted as the contest goes on, the K3 timing is not an issue. The
N1MM repeat delay is a function key input, extremely handy and fast. To me
anyway, using MM for controlling repeat time is far superior than anything
you could put in the radio. Alt+R and Ctrl+R work spiffy and don't involve
moving my fingers off the keyboard, or putting a pause in my transmissions
that could lose my run frequency.

Though I will say that I rarely use anything shorter than the K3's default
repeat timing. Any longer pause can be created by a little extra pause
before and after in the recording, so I really don't get what the fuss is
on that score.

For SSB contesting, I record everything, except numbers and letters for
call signs and serial numbers, in the eight memories used by the DVR. The
N1MM function key strings include K3 DVR invocation strings. These are
eight simple ones I always have loaded in N1MM SSB function key
definitions, and leave in the four primary memories for casual DX when I
don't have MM running.

###################
# RUN Messages
###################
f1m1 CQ,{CATA1ASC SWT21;}
f2m2 Exch,{CATA1ASC SWT31;}
f3m4 73,{CATA1ASC SWT39;}
f4m3 K2AV,{CATA1ASC SWT35;}

.....

###################
# S&P Messages
###################
f1 Spare,-
f2m2 Exch,{CATA1ASC SWT31;}
f3 Spare,-
f4m3 K2AV,{CATA1ASC SWT35;}

I got used to the K3 memory key contents before I started using the
CATA1ASC commands, and that's why the F key numbers and the Memory key
numbers aren't the same. When things get busy, I remember all of that by
position, not number, more of a muscle memory thing. So I put the M key
numbers in the MM F key button texts.

It's seamless and I find voice to mic, to K3, with K3 voice processing
saved in the memories, from listener comments, to be superior in
non-distorted-sounding punch to anything else I have ever used with my
simply-awful-for-radio soft voice with muted sibilants. They say me over
the K3 doesn't sound like me at all AND that me-over-the-K3 is much easier
to understand and listen to :>). I'll take that. Certainly seems to work in
the contests.

One of my PVRC acquaintances, hearing this for the first time in the SS
SSB, remarked over the air, "Your computer voice keying sounds really
great, much better than you in person."

As usual, YMMV.

73, Guy K2AV

On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Actually, the correct name for the DVR option on the K3 and K3S is, drum
> roll.. 'KDVR3' (not K3DVR) .
>
> As noted by several other KDVR3 users, if the recording audio starts
> immediately after pressing the button to start recording, and ended
> immediately after the audio stops by pressing the button, there should be
> no delay on playback.
>
> 73,
>
> Eric
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>
>

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Re: [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR

Thanks to everyone for the feedback on the KDVR3. Looks like I'll be placing
an order with the gang in Aptos soon! I might even start upgrading those
parts of my old K3 that can be upgraded to K3S standard!

73 de,

--Ian
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