K3 MCU 1.75 Firmware Revision
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The new NORM values ALT1 and ALT2 do not show up as I or II on the display when saved. Once the bandwidth has been saved into ALT1and ALT2, holding down the NORM knob and turning it to the desired bandwidth does not change the I or II icon in the display. I suspect this is because holding the I/II knob down has nothing to do with the bandwidth memories entered and saved via the NORM knob. In other words, ALT1 and ALT2 are not the same thing as I/II. I hope I understand this correctly. Roy Morris W4WFB K3 #323
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I think of it as follows: 1. NORM settings are fixed by the factory and not alterable by the user. 2. ALT1 and ALT2 are set by the user and are alterable (if new settings are saved). 3. I/II are "scratchpad" memories that recall the last setting they were set to. 73, Bill W4ZV |
Re: K3 MCU 1.75 Firmware Revision
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In reply to this post by Roy Morris-6
Hi Roy:
>The new NORM values ALT1 and ALT2 do not show up as I or II on the >display when saved. Once the bandwidth has been saved into ALT1and >ALT2, holding down the NORM knob and turning it to the desired >bandwidth does not change the I or II icon in the display. I >suspect this is because holding the I/II knob down has nothing to do >with the bandwidth memories entered and saved via the NORM knob. In >other words, ALT1 and ALT2 are not the same thing as I/II. I hope I >understand this correctly. Roy Morris W4WFB K3 #323 I don't believe it was intended that the I/II reflect these new settings. I believe they may have reserved for the 'non-sticky' presets accessed by holding the WIDTH button. 73, Tom N0SS _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 MCU 1.75 Firmware Revision
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In reply to this post by Roy Morris-6
The new filter setup is going to take me some getting used to.
The ALT 1 and ALT2 are fixed - you set them by setting the filter the way you want it then holding down the NORM button for three seconds and then rotating it to select ALT1 or ALT2 to store the setting. To return to that setting, you hold down the NORM button for 1/2 second and rotate it to select ALT1 or ALT2. I would have preferred calling it WIDE vs NARROW but I suppose other people will use it differently. The I/II simply remembers whatever you had the filter at the last time you used it. Since you won't remember what setting the filter was the last time, this control is a bit of a crap shoot and frankly I don't understand why it done this way. k4ia Craig "Buck" Fredericksburg, Virginia USA **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: K3 MCU 1.75 Firmware Revision
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> The new filter setup is going to take me some getting used to.
> > The ALT 1 and ALT2 are fixed - you set them by setting the > filter the way you want it then holding down the NORM button > for three seconds and then > rotating it to select ALT1 or ALT2 to store the setting. To > return to that > setting, you hold down the NORM button for 1/2 second and > rotate it to select ALT1 or ALT2. I would have preferred > calling it WIDE vs NARROW but I suppose other people will > use it differently. Yes, ALT1 and ALT2 are just two additional "NORM" settings whose parameters can be set to what the user prefers for each mode. > The I/II simply remembers whatever you had the filter at the > last time you > used it. Since you won't remember what setting the filter > was the last time, > this control is a bit of a crap shoot and frankly I don't > understand why it done this way. Well, I and a lot of the field testers felt the same way. Even though I don't use PRESETs I and II for the reason you state, there are some who really like them. The use model is different. It allows you to set up two temporary filters settings and be able to quickly toggle between them while operating. But, for most of us, this is like a "scratchpad" filter memory because we will never trust that they stay on any particular value since all they do is remember what the filter settings were when you EXIT that PRESET. 73, Ed - W0YK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Roy Morris-6
Now if we could convince K3 to just swap this function to I/II and vice versa.
K3KO
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On 080309 13:41 , "K3KO" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Now if we could convince K3 to just swap this function to I/II and vice > versa. > K3KO > > Roy Morris-6 wrote: > > The new NORM values ALT1 and ALT2 do not show up as I or II on the display > when saved. Yes, yes, yes! I support this suggestion! And please make the K3 remember filter choice and width settings when swapping between bands. Now it sometimes forget the settings for a particular band when returning from another band. 73 de Björn /SM0MDG _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 MCU 1.75 Firmware Revision
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ALT1 and ALT2 do NOT show bring up the "I"/"II" indicators when saved.
Try it and see, at least they do not on my K3. ALT1 and ALT2 are different than Preset I and Preset II. If you consider that you now have 3 'initial DSP settings' (NORM, ALT1, and ALT2) to work with, and two of those you can set for yourself (NORM is glued in place by the firmware), you I believe you have the correct picture. Preset I and Preset II have not changed - they work the same as before, the last used setting can be recalled. Let's say you start at your ALT1 setting, and Preset II had already been selected when you choose (or save) ALT1 - the display stays with the II indication. If you then change the DSP settings, listen for a while, and then switch to PRESET I to listen for a while - when you return to PRESET II, it will be just as you had left it. In my mind, the Presets are now a bit redundant with the introduction of ALT1 and ALT2 (remember the Norm on Steroids discussion), but they are added function, not a replacement for the Presets. I personally find the Presets a bit confusing to use (I could not remember where they were last set because they changed all the time), so I prefer using ALT1, ALT2 and NORM - at least they provide starting points that I can adjust away from as I operate - it matches my thinking more clearly, but YMMV. 73, Don W3FPR Björn Mohr wrote: > On 080309 13:41 , "K3KO" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > >> Now if we could convince K3 to just swap this function to I/II and vice >> versa. >> K3KO >> >> Roy Morris-6 wrote: >> >> The new NORM values ALT1 and ALT2 do not show up as I or II on the display >> when saved. >> > > Yes, yes, yes! I support this suggestion! > > And please make the K3 remember filter choice and width settings when > swapping between bands. Now it sometimes forget the settings for a > particular band when returning from another band. > > > 73 de Björn /SM0MDG > > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Bjorn
The problem with this implementation is that the front panel has no markings (like I/II) and the display doesn't show any indication like I/II. What would you call them anyway 1/2 ?
I really doubt that there will be a new front panel showing these filter "fixed presets" for some time to come. All the more reason to swap these to the I/II controls. It would be especially fitting for those who like the variable presets not to have panel labels-- because you never know what they set for anyhow. HI Brian
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RE: K3 MCU 1.75 Firmware Revision
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> The problem with this implementation is that the front panel
> has no markings (like I/II) and the display doesn't show any > indication like I/II. What would you call them anyway 1/2 ? When ALT1 or ALT2 are invoked, there are "wings" added to the bandwidth display. This does not distinguish between ALT1 and ALT2. It only indicates that one or the other is in place. The LCD hardware is fixed with the first 'I' of the I/II icon always on. That is, it is on all the time when the K3 is powered up; the firmware cannot turn it off. Therefore, these display icons cannot be used for the ALT1 & ALT2 indicator. They were expressly designed to support the PRESET I & II function and need to stay with that function. > I really doubt that there will be a new front panel showing > these filter "fixed presets" for some time to come. All the > more reason to swap these to > the I/II controls. It would be especially fitting for those > who like the > variable presets not to have panel labels-- because you never > know what they set for anyhow. This is not true (that PRESET shouldn't have labels). And, it is why either 'I' or 'II' is always displayed. This tells you that the current filter settings will be saved as PRESET I or PRESET II when you select the other preset. Or, another perspective is that you are changing the displayed PRESET values as you change filter settings and they are "saved" when you then select the other PRESET. It is designed as a quick, convenient way to have two temporary filter settings to toggle between on a signal. (It would be cumbersome to do this use case with the NORM & ALT1/2 feature because of the required SAVe.) NORM has a different purpose and ALT1 & ALT2 were added to allow user definition of these stable starting points for filter settings in each mode. They do not change until the user explicitly does a SAVe operation, so they can be depended on to remain stable. If you've twiddled the filter settings (or, are not sure what they all are) and want to quickly get to a known starting point, use NORM or one of your saved ALT1/2 settings. This use case is not addressed with the PRESET feature. Think precisely about how you would like to use filter setting memories and then select one of these two features to match each use case. For different uses, one or the other is best suited. That's why there is a choice. Many people will use both features, at different times, depending on what they are trying to do with the radio. 73, Ed - W0YK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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