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I am somewhat new to list and definitely a new K3 owner just having completed the build of #6663. I understand this may be turning over dirt that has been worked many times before - but didn't really find what I was looking for in archives.
- I understand that if I want to use my exisiting Heil GM-5 or ProSetPlus I will need to use the front panel mic connection. - My question is what types or brands, models are K3 owners using with the rear panel mic connection on the KIO3 panel ? Tnx and 73 Paul kc2nyu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Yamaha CM-500 is one that gets rave reviews here but it's not my favorite mic. I just don't use the back input.
On Aug 13, 2012, at 1:50 PM, paul ecker <[hidden email]> wrote: > I am somewhat new to list and definitely a new K3 owner just having completed the build of #6663. I understand this may be turning over dirt that has been worked many times before - but didn't really find what I was looking for in archives. > - I understand that if I want to use my exisiting Heil GM-5 or ProSetPlus I will need to use the front panel mic connection. > - My question is what types or brands, models are K3 owners using with the rear panel mic connection on the KIO3 panel ? > > Tnx and 73 > Paul > kc2nyu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:50 AM, paul ecker <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I am somewhat new to list and definitely a new K3 owner just having completed the build of #6663. I understand this may be turning over dirt that has been worked many times before - but didn't really find what I was looking for in archives. > - I understand that if I want to use my exisiting Heil GM-5 or ProSetPlus I will need to use the front panel mic connection. Not necessarily. You may need to construct an adapter for the GM-5 (I don't know what sort of cable it comes with), but the ProSet Plus should work fine when connected directly to the rear-panel MIC input. 73, ~iain / N6ML ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Yamaha CM500 works great. And just about anything else. If you can plug it in it'll prob work
...bill nr4c Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid -----Original message----- From: paul ecker <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 18:50:19 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Mics I am somewhat new to list and definitely a new K3 owner just having completed the build of #6663. I understand this may be turning over dirt that has been worked many times before - but didn't really find what I was looking for in archives. - I understand that if I want to use my exisiting Heil GM-5 or ProSetPlus I will need to use the front panel mic connection. - My question is what types or brands, models are K3 owners using with the rear panel mic connection on the KIO3 panel ? Tnx and 73 Paul kc2nyu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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The Pro-set Plus connects directly to the rear inputs. You don't use an adapter; you just
plug the two small phone plugs directly into the appropriate back-panel jacks. On 8/13/2012 11:50 AM, paul ecker wrote: > I am somewhat new to list and definitely a new K3 owner just having completed the build > of #6663. I understand this may be turning over dirt that has been worked many times > before - but didn't really find what I was looking for in archives. - I understand that > if I want to use my exisiting Heil GM-5 or ProSetPlus I will need to use the front > panel mic connection. - My question is what types or brands, models are K3 owners using > with the rear panel mic connection on the KIO3 panel ? > > Tnx and 73 Paul kc2nyu ______________________________________________________________ -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 8/13/2012 11:50 AM, paul ecker wrote:
> My question is what types or brands, models are K3 owners using with the rear panel mic connection The Yamaha CM500 boom mic headset is VERY popular, is quite comfortable to wear, and both the mic and headphones sound great with the K3. Using TXEQ and the K3's excellent audio processing, it's quite easy to make the sound anything from full range to highly processed for competitive contesting and DX chasing, and all the settings sound really good unless you do something really dumb. :) Cost is about $45 with free shipping from amazon and several other online sources. BTW -- I'm a retired audio professional, and still own a bunch of very high quality recording and broadcast mics, but the CM500 has been my only ham mic since a neighbor ham (also and audio pro) told me about it three years ago. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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GM-5 works fine with the rear panel connection - you just need to make your own cable as none of the Heil cables are designed to work with a 3.5mm mono jack. The GM-5 has a 4 pin XLR - you will need to break it out like this: XLR 1 mic return 3.5mm sleeve 2 Mic "hot" 3.5mm tip 3 PTT RCA tip 4 PTT RCA shell The 3.5mm connects to the rear panel mic jack and the RCA connects to the rear panel PTT jack. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/13/2012 2:50 PM, paul ecker wrote: > I am somewhat new to list and definitely a new K3 owner just having completed the build of #6663. I understand this may be turning over dirt that has been worked many times before - but didn't really find what I was looking for in archives. > - I understand that if I want to use my exisiting Heil GM-5 or ProSetPlus I will need to use the front panel mic connection. > - My question is what types or brands, models are K3 owners using with the rear panel mic connection on the KIO3 panel ? > > Tnx and 73 > Paul > kc2nyu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 8/13/2012 12:02 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:
> but the ProSet Plus > should work fine when connected directly to the rear-panel MIC input. Mine does. The front panel mic jack is empty. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Paul,
If you want to use the K3 front panel jack with Heil mics, order their Kenwood adapter for that microphone. Most any computer microphone can be plugged into the rear panel jacks - the Yamaha CM-500 is a good choice IMHO - the earpieces are comfortable and the microphone works great. It was apparently designed to appeal to the audio pros who would use it on a computer soundcard. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/13/2012 2:50 PM, paul ecker wrote: > I am somewhat new to list and definitely a new K3 owner just having completed the build of #6663. I understand this may be turning over dirt that has been worked many times before - but didn't really find what I was looking for in archives. > - I understand that if I want to use my exisiting Heil GM-5 or ProSetPlus I will need to use the front panel mic connection. > - My question is what types or brands, models are K3 owners using with the rear panel mic connection on the KIO3 panel ? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I have been using a computer style headset and mic bought from a rally
for about £2. Reports have been very complimentary and it even has its own volume control. I just bought another one as a spare for £1. Can't get better value than that! Graham On 19:59, paul ecker wrote: > - My question is what types or brands, models are K3 owners using with the rear panel mic connection on the KIO3 panel ? > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I can never understand why people spend hundreds of pounds on Heil
headsets and similar when inexpensive computer headsets give such good results. 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, Graham Kimbell G3TCT <[hidden email]> writes >I have been using a computer style headset and mic bought from a rally >for about £2. Reports have been very complimentary and it even has its >own volume control. I just bought another one as a spare for £1. Can't >get better value than that! -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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David,
Yes this is a very interesting phenomenon. Add external gazillion band equalizers, compressors, noise gates, $30 connectors, fancy mike mounting hardware et al to the mix. All to massage an under 3KHz bandwidth signal. However it isn't just the phone guys. Some CW guys spent many hundreds of dollars for a paddle. All it does is close two contacts. I suspect in both cases the point of diminishing returns is reached far earlier than these price levels. However, it is good for the economy. Like an OT said; If you want to feel your have a strong signal, turn up the monitor level. In other words, it's often an in the head game. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 8/15/2012 10:04, David Pratt wrote: > I can never understand why people spend hundreds of pounds on Heil > headsets and similar when inexpensive computer headsets give such good > results. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > In a recent message, Graham Kimbell G3TCT<[hidden email]> writes >> I have been using a computer style headset and mic bought from a rally >> for about £2. Reports have been very complimentary and it even has its > >> own volume control. I just bought another one as a spare for £1. Can't >> get better value than that! > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5201 - Release Date: 08/14/12 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I'm not going to try to "sell" anyone on the idea of buying a "premium" audio chain, but...
I agree the K3 provides "good" results with about any mic that can be attached to it. It has a good compressor, useful TX equalizer, bandwidth control and a noise gate. I have obtained "good" results with a Yamaha CM500 and, without processing, my Heil PR40 doesn't sound substantially different from the PR40 on the K3. But I do use audio processing on the K3 and my other transmitters, for several reasons. Probably the main reason is that I can make myself sound, within the previously noted 3 kHz bandwidth, sound "casually loud": optimized intelligibility without undue harshness. My station is, as are many people's, a collection of compromises controlled primarily by where I live. This is something I can "tweak", and thus I am gonna tweak it... Another factor is that I like to be able to switch TX audio properties quickly to suit operating conditions. I can switch very quickly between "casually loud" and "best-effort pile-up busting" very quickly, even as a DX station is responding to me so that I can go back to "normal" for the exchange. I adjust my transceivers "to" the rack, allowing me to switch between radios very quickly and still get the same "sound" from all of my transmitters. This is important as every phone transmitter I have every used has subtle (sometime not-so-subtle) differences in the way they sound on the air. Finally...I just want control over this set of parameters. I probably wouldn't make the investment if it were substantially more than what I spent, but as it is I'm very happy with the price/performance ratio. And that, at the end of the day, is what counts. I can't help but notice that this isn't the "cat's whisker and carbon mic" mailing list, so everyone here is making some kind of price-to-performance decision and I suggest that no-one's decisions in this hobby are un-assailable. Mike Alexander - N8MSA [hidden email] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Alsop" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:49:48 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Mics David, Yes this is a very interesting phenomenon. Add external gazillion band equalizers, compressors, noise gates, $30 connectors, fancy mike mounting hardware et al to the mix. All to massage an under 3KHz bandwidth signal. However it isn't just the phone guys. Some CW guys spent many hundreds of dollars for a paddle. All it does is close two contacts. I suspect in both cases the point of diminishing returns is reached far earlier than these price levels. However, it is good for the economy. Like an OT said; If you want to feel your have a strong signal, turn up the monitor level. In other words, it's often an in the head game. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 8/15/2012 10:04, David Pratt wrote: > I can never understand why people spend hundreds of pounds on Heil > headsets and similar when inexpensive computer headsets give such good > results. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > In a recent message, Graham Kimbell G3TCT<[hidden email]> writes >> I have been using a computer style headset and mic bought from a rally >> for about £2. Reports have been very complimentary and it even has its > >> own volume control. I just bought another one as a spare for £1. Can't >> get better value than that! > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5201 - Release Date: 08/14/12 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 8/15/2012 3:04 AM, David Pratt wrote:
> I can never understand why people spend hundreds of pounds on Heil > headsets and similar when inexpensive computer headsets give such good > results. Better sound through marketing! 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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>Better sound through marketing! > >73, Jim K9YC think about it.... an offshore company builds a microphone or actually buys an electret element and just stuffs it into a case... ( which could screw up the response and/or cause other issues) none of which would bother it's use in our stringent application./... So now we have a $.45 element .... a nice fancy cabinet/shell.. $ 3.-4 :.still NO engineering or MARKETING expense,,, a cable with a plug ( add .$70)...if a headset , add two earpieces if a headset....... and tada enter " cyberguys"... who is selling a "DCT FACTORY" headset for$ 7.89. so also Amazon....( newegg $19.95) go figure .... http://www.cyberguys.com/product-details/?productid=2427 As with all generic stuff,...once the generics hit the market, the branded stuff has to figure how to compete with the guy who may be making it for him....OMG,,, generics have no 40% to market the product,,but since they will sell to anyone, the marketplace discovers it. Do we really think a yamaha factory makes that headset ??? wrongo,..they market it. I have not ordered those 8$ headsets , since i bought three generics at dayton.. I think 3 for 9$.... I WAS lucky and they worked great ,....at field day on k3 ...and mobile on the kx3.... just make certain that you get 3.5mm plugs for both the headphone & the mic,.,,, someone else can try ... bill ny9h/3 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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There are many other reasons that some people will purchase more
expensive components. The cheapo computer headsets may work as well but some will buy the Heil just because. Yes two wires touched together will key your rig but some like the beauty of a high end paddle such as the Begali or the N3ZN. Nice to look at just sitting on the desk. And yes, some people have more money than good sense. 73, Tony W7GO On 8/15/2012 4:49 AM, Brian Alsop wrote: > David, > > Yes this is a very interesting phenomenon. Add external gazillion band > equalizers, compressors, noise gates, $30 connectors, fancy mike > mounting hardware et al to the mix. All to massage an under 3KHz > bandwidth signal. > > However it isn't just the phone guys. Some CW guys spent many hundreds > of dollars for a paddle. All it does is close two contacts. > > I suspect in both cases the point of diminishing returns is reached far > earlier than these price levels. However, it is good for the economy. > > > > > Like an OT said; If you want to feel your have a strong signal, turn up > the monitor level. In other words, it's often an in the head game. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > On 8/15/2012 10:04, David Pratt wrote: >> I can never understand why people spend hundreds of pounds on Heil >> headsets and similar when inexpensive computer headsets give such good >> results. >> >> 73 de David G4DMP >> >> In a recent message, Graham Kimbell G3TCT<[hidden email]> writes >>> I have been using a computer style headset and mic bought from a rally >>> for about £2. Reports have been very complimentary and it even has its >>> own volume control. I just bought another one as a spare for £1. Can't >>> get better value than that! > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5201 - Release Date: 08/14/12 > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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