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(K3) Mode change with band unpredictible

Terry Schieler
My K3 (#474) seems to be all over the board when it comes to changing bands
and ending up with the expected or desired mode for that frequency.  I can
be on 14.030 CW, go to 10 meters SSB and then back to 14.030 and the mode
will be USB or LSB there.  There seems to be no rhyme nor reason to the mode
it ends up on.  My old FT-1000MP always went back to the last mode used in
the sub-band.  It would always go to the right band, freq and mode when I'd
click spots on my loggers spotting list.  I've shut off mode control on my
logging program (N3FJP ACLog) as I thought it may be sending conflicting
Mode commands to the rig.  No fix.  

 

I can't seem find a solution in my manual (v. D-2) but seem to remember
reading here that a solid fix for "mode by frequency" or "mode by last used
on a band" had been implemented.  If so, I obviously missed it.  Is this
related to the missing "band stack" in the K3?  

 

Running 3.79 .  Can anyone help me get this set up properly once and for
all?  Thanks.

 

73, Terry, W0FM

 

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Re: (K3) Mode change with band unpredictible

Brendan Minish
Try this without having any software running and see if you have the
same issue ?  

(very?) old kenwood radios needed the mode to be set before the
frequency, this does not work so well on modern radios that remember
mode on a per band basis

On Dxbase I fixed this in the K3 radio configuration file by ensuring
that the mode was sent AFTER the frequency rather than in the default
order of mode then frequency

On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 14:25 -0500, Terry Schieler wrote:

> My K3 (#474) seems to be all over the board when it comes to changing bands
> and ending up with the expected or desired mode for that frequency.  I can
> be on 14.030 CW, go to 10 meters SSB and then back to 14.030 and the mode
> will be USB or LSB there.  There seems to be no rhyme nor reason to the mode
> it ends up on.  My old FT-1000MP always went back to the last mode used in
> the sub-band.  It would always go to the right band, freq and mode when I'd
> click spots on my loggers spotting list.  I've shut off mode control on my
> logging program (N3FJP ACLog) as I thought it may be sending conflicting
> Mode commands to the rig.  No fix.  
>
>  
>
> I can't seem find a solution in my manual (v. D-2) but seem to remember
> reading here that a solid fix for "mode by frequency" or "mode by last used
> on a band" had been implemented.  If so, I obviously missed it.  Is this
> related to the missing "band stack" in the K3?  
>
>  
>
> Running 3.79 .  Can anyone help me get this set up properly once and for
> all?  Thanks.
>
>  
>
> 73, Terry, W0FM
>
>  
>
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Brendan EI6IZ

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Re: (K3) Mode change with band unpredictible

wb5tuf
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What logging software are you using?


-----Original Message-----

>From: Terry Schieler <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Mar 22, 2010 2:25 PM
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Mode change with band unpredictible
>
>My K3 (#474) seems to be all over the board when it comes to changing bands
>and ending up with the expected or desired mode for that frequency.  I can
>be on 14.030 CW, go to 10 meters SSB and then back to 14.030 and the mode
>will be USB or LSB there.  There seems to be no rhyme nor reason to the mode
>it ends up on.  My old FT-1000MP always went back to the last mode used in
>the sub-band.  It would always go to the right band, freq and mode when I'd
>click spots on my loggers spotting list.  I've shut off mode control on my
>logging program (N3FJP ACLog) as I thought it may be sending conflicting
>Mode commands to the rig.  No fix.  
>
>
>
>I can't seem find a solution in my manual (v. D-2) but seem to remember
>reading here that a solid fix for "mode by frequency" or "mode by last used
>on a band" had been implemented.  If so, I obviously missed it.  Is this
>related to the missing "band stack" in the K3?  
>
>
>
>Running 3.79 .  Can anyone help me get this set up properly once and for
>all?  Thanks.
>
>
>
>73, Terry, W0FM
>
>
>
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Re: (K3) Mode change with band unpredictible

wb5tuf
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Sorry, I should have read more carefully...I've never used N3FJP software, but I have the same problem with Logic 8. In my case it's not the K3, its the software.


-----Original Message-----

>From: [hidden email]
>Sent: Mar 22, 2010 5:22 PM
>To: Terry Schieler <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K3) Mode change with band unpredictible
>
>What logging software are you using?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Terry Schieler <[hidden email]>
>>Sent: Mar 22, 2010 2:25 PM
>>To: [hidden email]
>>Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Mode change with band unpredictible
>>
>>My K3 (#474) seems to be all over the board when it comes to changing bands
>>and ending up with the expected or desired mode for that frequency.  I can
>>be on 14.030 CW, go to 10 meters SSB and then back to 14.030 and the mode
>>will be USB or LSB there.  There seems to be no rhyme nor reason to the mode
>>it ends up on.  My old FT-1000MP always went back to the last mode used in
>>the sub-band.  It would always go to the right band, freq and mode when I'd
>>click spots on my loggers spotting list.  I've shut off mode control on my
>>logging program (N3FJP ACLog) as I thought it may be sending conflicting
>>Mode commands to the rig.  No fix.  
>>
>>
>>
>>I can't seem find a solution in my manual (v. D-2) but seem to remember
>>reading here that a solid fix for "mode by frequency" or "mode by last used
>>on a band" had been implemented.  If so, I obviously missed it.  Is this
>>related to the missing "band stack" in the K3?  
>>
>>
>>
>>Running 3.79 .  Can anyone help me get this set up properly once and for
>>all?  Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>73, Terry, W0FM
>>
>>
>>
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Re: (K3) Mode change with band unpredictible

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Most logging software uses the Kenwood process of sending mode
before frequency.  With the K3, the mode is stored with band
so sending mode then changing frequency (to another band) will
result in the mode being unpredictable since you are setting
mode on the old band, changing bands where you will inherit
whatever mode was last used on that band!  

To make things even more confusing, changing modes will cause
frequency to shift slightly depending on mode.  Logging  
software should really send frequency, mode, and frequency
again when changing bands and mode followed by frequency when
changing modes.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 6:26 PM
> To: [hidden email]; Terry Schieler; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K3) Mode change with band unpredictible
>
>
> Sorry, I should have read more carefully...I've never used
> N3FJP software, but I have the same problem with Logic 8. In
> my case it's not the K3, its the software.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: [hidden email]
> >Sent: Mar 22, 2010 5:22 PM
> >To: Terry Schieler <[hidden email]>,
> >[hidden email]
> >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K3) Mode change with band unpredictible
> >
> >What logging software are you using?
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Terry Schieler <[hidden email]>
> >>Sent: Mar 22, 2010 2:25 PM
> >>To: [hidden email]
> >>Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Mode change with band unpredictible
> >>
> >>My K3 (#474) seems to be all over the board when it comes
> to changing
> >>bands and ending up with the expected or desired mode for that
> >>frequency.  I can be on 14.030 CW, go to 10 meters SSB and
> then back
> >>to 14.030 and the mode will be USB or LSB there.  There
> seems to be no
> >>rhyme nor reason to the mode it ends up on.  My old
> FT-1000MP always
> >>went back to the last mode used in the sub-band.  It would
> always go
> >>to the right band, freq and mode when I'd click spots on my loggers
> >>spotting list.  I've shut off mode control on my logging program
> >>(N3FJP ACLog) as I thought it may be sending conflicting
> Mode commands to the rig.  No fix.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I can't seem find a solution in my manual (v. D-2) but seem to
> >>remember reading here that a solid fix for "mode by frequency" or
> >>"mode by last used on a band" had been implemented.  If so, I
> >>obviously missed it.  Is this related to the missing "band
> stack" in the K3?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Running 3.79 .  Can anyone help me get this set up properly
> once and
> >>for all?  Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>73, Terry, W0FM
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: (K3) Mode change with band unpredictible

Terry Schieler
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Brendan,

That might be the issue here.  The "Kenwood" selection in my logging software worked perfectly with my K2 and the FT1000MP.  Now there is a specific "Elecraft" radio interface selection and it might be a bit different than that for the K2.  

Thanks.  (Nice to hear you on the net!)

Terry, W0FM

-----Original Message-----
From: Brendan Minish [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:07 PM
To: Terry Schieler
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K3) Mode change with band unpredictible

Try this without having any software running and see if you have the
same issue ?  

(very?) old kenwood radios needed the mode to be set before the
frequency, this does not work so well on modern radios that remember
mode on a per band basis

On Dxbase I fixed this in the K3 radio configuration file by ensuring
that the mode was sent AFTER the frequency rather than in the default
order of mode then frequency



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