K3 Mystery Problem
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Hi All,
There are at least two of us here in Tucson with K3's. I have #96, and John, K7SVV, has #148. Recently, my K3 developed a problem where it wouldn't turn off using the power button. At first it would turn off, but cycle back on by itself after a couple of seconds. Then it just wouldn't power off. The LCD display would go blank when you pushed the power button to turn it off, but the backlighting would stay on. The radio had to be disconnected from the power supply in order to completely turn the radio off. When the power supply was re-connected, the K3 would come on immediately. A couple of days later, K7SVV began experiencing the same problem with his K3. Both of us were exchanging emails with Elecraft support, but nothing they suggested seemed to solve or clearly identify the problem. Both of us made successful firmware updates, but that didn't make any difference either. The performance of the radios was not otherwise affected. They both worked just fine. They just wouldn't turn off. Then, as suddenly as the problem appeared, it disappeared! Now, both K3's are working A-O.K. We don't know what caused this problem to start or stop, but one possibility could be static electricity. According to Elecraft support, we are the only two people who have experienced this problem, at least as far as they know. So, my question is this--has anyone else had any problem whatsoever with their K3 not powering up or down correctly? Possibly someone else out there did have the problem, or a similar problem, but perhaps it stopped before you felt the need to report it as a problem. If anyone has experienced any kind of issue like this, we would like to hear about it. It just seems incredibly strange that the only two occurances of this would be with two people only a couple of miles apart. Maybe the Bermuda Triangle has moved! Dave W7AQK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I had this problem with #23, when I initially powered it on you
couldn't power it off with the power switch. The cause turned\out to be that I had turned the sub receiver AF and RF gain controls full clockwise and through some quirk in the firmware, since there was no SUB receiver, the power off function was inhibited. The solution was to turn those controls full CCW. Wayne was the one who spent a lot of time with me solving the problem. So you might want to check that, I haven't tested to see if the problem recurs in mine if I move the controls off CCW. Ah, brings me back to my software/firmware development days. There are NO bugs, only "features" Doug W6JD -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David Yarnes" <[hidden email]> > Hi All, > > There are at least two of us here in Tucson with K3's. I have #96, and > John, K7SVV, has #148. > > Recently, my K3 developed a problem where it wouldn't turn off using the > power button. At first it would turn off, but cycle back on by itself after > a couple of seconds. Then it just wouldn't power off. The LCD display > would go blank when you pushed the power button to turn it off, but the > backlighting would stay on. The radio had to be disconnected from the power > supply in order to completely turn the radio off. When the power supply was > re-connected, the K3 would come on immediately. > > A couple of days later, K7SVV began experiencing the same problem with his > K3. Both of us were exchanging emails with Elecraft support, but nothing > they suggested seemed to solve or clearly identify the problem. Both of us > made successful firmware updates, but that didn't make any difference > either. The performance of the radios was not otherwise affected. They > both worked just fine. They just wouldn't turn off. > > Then, as suddenly as the problem appeared, it disappeared! Now, both K3's > are working A-O.K. We don't know what caused this problem to start or stop, > but one possibility could be static electricity. According to Elecraft > support, we are the only two people who have experienced this problem, at > least as far as they know. > > So, my question is this--has anyone else had any problem whatsoever with > their K3 not powering up or down correctly? Possibly someone else out there > did have the problem, or a similar problem, but perhaps it stopped before > you felt the need to report it as a problem. If anyone has experienced any > kind of issue like this, we would like to hear about it. It just seems > incredibly strange that the only two occurances of this would be with two > people only a couple of miles apart. Maybe the Bermuda Triangle has moved! > > Dave W7AQK > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Just looking over my K3, the front panel assy. says 'Band Limit: USA'
Obviously I what to be able to use UK limits, so does anyone know how to open this rig up. Will this be something I'll be able to do in future? Personally, I'd prefer there to be no limits - I am after all, a full licensed amateur and supposed to be aware of the Licence conditions. -- Do not pray for tasks equal to your powers; pray for powers equal to your tasks. -Phillips Brooks, bishop and orator (1835-1893) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Doug,
Regarding: " Ah, brings me back to my software/firmware development days. There are NO bugs, only "features" Expanding a bit: "There are features and undocumented features. There are known bugs and undetected bugs, but there are always bugs." Most of these are a result of the well known "law of unintended consequences." 73, BILL, W4RK (a hardware / firmware designer from a lot of years ago) -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:55 AM To: David Yarnes; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Mystery Problem I had this problem with #23, when I initially powered it on you couldn't power it off with the power switch. The cause turned\out to be that I had turned the sub receiver AF and RF gain controls full clockwise and through some quirk in the firmware, since there was no SUB receiver, the power off function was inhibited. The solution was to turn those controls full CCW. Wayne was the one who spent a lot of time with me solving the problem. So you might want to check that, I haven't tested to see if the problem recurs in mine if I move the controls off CCW. Ah, brings me back to my software/firmware development days. There are NO bugs, only "features" Doug W6JD -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David Yarnes" <[hidden email]> > Hi All, > > There are at least two of us here in Tucson with K3's. I have #96, and > John, K7SVV, has #148. > > Recently, my K3 developed a problem where it wouldn't turn off using the > power button. At first it would turn off, but cycle back on by itself after > a couple of seconds. Then it just wouldn't power off. The LCD display > would go blank when you pushed the power button to turn it off, but the > backlighting would stay on. The radio had to be disconnected from the power > supply in order to completely turn the radio off. When the power supply was > re-connected, the K3 would come on immediately. > > A couple of days later, K7SVV began experiencing the same problem with his > K3. Both of us were exchanging emails with Elecraft support, but nothing > they suggested seemed to solve or clearly identify the problem. Both of us > made successful firmware updates, but that didn't make any difference > either. The performance of the radios was not otherwise affected. They > both worked just fine. They just wouldn't turn off. > > Then, as suddenly as the problem appeared, it disappeared! Now, both K3's > are working A-O.K. We don't know what caused this problem to start or stop, > but one possibility could be static electricity. According to Elecraft > support, we are the only two people who have experienced this problem, at > least as far as they know. > > So, my question is this--has anyone else had any problem whatsoever with > their K3 not powering up or down correctly? Possibly someone else out there > did have the problem, or a similar problem, but perhaps it stopped before > you felt the need to report it as a problem. If anyone has experienced any > kind of issue like this, we would like to hear about it. It just seems > incredibly strange that the only two occurances of this would be with two > people only a couple of miles apart. Maybe the Bermuda Triangle has moved! > > Dave W7AQK > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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This issue was fixed many firmware revisions ago. :-)
Doug - Make sure you are using the latest release. 73, Eric ---- -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:55 AM > To: David Yarnes; Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Mystery Problem > > I had this problem with #23, when I initially powered it on you > couldn't power it off with the power switch. The cause turned\out to be > that I had turned the sub receiver AF and RF gain controls full > clockwise and through some quirk in the firmware, since there was > no SUB receiver, the power off function was inhibited. The solution > was to turn those controls full CCW. Wayne was the one who spent > a lot of time with me solving the problem. > > So you might want to check that, I haven't tested to see if the problem > recurs in mine if I move the controls off CCW. > > Ah, brings me back to my software/firmware development days. > There are NO bugs, only "features" > > Doug > W6JD > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a recent message "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]>
writes >Just looking over my K3, the front panel assy. says 'Band Limit: USA' >Obviously I what to be able to use UK limits, so does anyone know how to >open this rig up. David - The bands for Region 2 are wider than those for Region 1, so if you have got the USA Band Limit all you need to watch is transmitting outside the UK bands. I am assured by Eric, or was it Wayne, that the different channels for UK 5MHz permit holders will be unaffected. "Opening" the rig up, as you put it, would be unwise as it would enable you to operate high power CB. Now you wouldn't want to do that, would you? 73 David G4DMP _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Yes, I've got 1.49. The new NR is terrific.
I only mentioned the SUB receiver situation since in my case it WAS the problem and it only occured on the initial firmware that came with the radio. 73, Doug -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <[hidden email]> > This issue was fixed many firmware revisions ago. :-) > > Doug - Make sure you are using the latest release. > > 73, Eric > ---- > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [hidden email] > > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:55 AM > > To: David Yarnes; Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Mystery Problem > > > > I had this problem with #23, when I initially powered it on you > > couldn't power it off with the power switch. The cause turned\out to be > > that I had turned the sub receiver AF and RF gain controls full > > clockwise and through some quirk in the firmware, since there was > > no SUB receiver, the power off function was inhibited. The solution > > was to turn those controls full CCW. Wayne was the one who spent > > a lot of time with me solving the problem. > > > > So you might want to check that, I haven't tested to see if the problem > > recurs in mine if I move the controls off CCW. > > > > Ah, brings me back to my software/firmware development days. > > There are NO bugs, only "features" > > > > Doug > > W6JD > > > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Thanks, the difference was kindly pointed out to me in another post, so my
fears were unfounded. On the transmitting out-of-band side of things - no problems, I have a brain that passed the full license, it knows were not to go! On 18/12/07 22:51, "David Pratt" <[hidden email]> sent: > In a recent message "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> > writes >> Just looking over my K3, the front panel assy. says 'Band Limit: USA' >> Obviously I what to be able to use UK limits, so does anyone know how to >> open this rig up. > > David - The bands for Region 2 are wider than those for Region 1, so if > you have got the USA Band Limit all you need to watch is transmitting > outside the UK bands. I am assured by Eric, or was it Wayne, that the > different channels for UK 5MHz permit holders will be unaffected. > "Opening" the rig up, as you put it, would be unwise as it would enable > you to operate high power CB. Now you wouldn't want to do that, would > you? I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. -- Robert McCloskey, State Department spokesman (attributed) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: [K3] #174 band limits
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Please note that the K3 -always- blocks high power TX in the CB band,
regardless of what is programmed in for band TX limits. 73, Eric WA6HHQ ---- David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: >> "Opening" the rig up, as you put it, would be unwise as it would enable >> you to operate high power CB. Now you wouldn't want to do that, would >> you? >> _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
>I have a brain that passed the full license, it knows where not to go! I got one of those brain things too, but by day 2 of a contest it needs all the help it can get. It would be really helpful to have user-configurable frequency points where the rig will emit a warning beep as the operator tunes through. Nothing else, just a discreet warning. For example, I can always use a reminder when crossing the edges of the beacon bands. Another use would be to program a beep at the frequency limits that might be written into the rules of a particular contest. Since other people might have different frequencies of interest, or might not want the facility at all, it would need to be user-configurable. Configuration could be as simple as: 1. Set menu item 2. Tune to a frequency 3. Press something to toggle beep on/off. Obviously not urgent, but maybe worth considering for the longer term. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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