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Terry Schieler

[K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

If anyone has been successful in finding a way to send DX spot rig command strings *smoothly* from N3FJP's ACLog to a K3, would you please email me with the software settings you've used. I have not been able to get ACLog to interface well with my K3 (#474) since I bought the rig (the software worked fine with my FT1000MP). The software reads the K3 data just fine. But DX spot clicks seem to go very slowly and the mode, band and frequency changes seem to be all mixed up. Scott, N3FJP, told me that Elecraft sends the commands to the K3 in a "non-standard" format but claims to "generally support" the Elecraft line. The command string references I have found in the K3 manual have not been successful, but I don't rule out an error on my part there.

Other than recommending other logging programs can anyone offer an ACLog command solution. I'm not a contester and have tried all the popular logging/rig control offerings that many of you use. Most programs offer WAY too many features for my needs. Many thanks.

73,

Terry, W0FM

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David Gilbert

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

Most of those other programs actually work, though.

Programs like Logger32 (free and well supported) are modular and easily
tailored to be as simple as you want them to be. And did I mention that
they actually work like they're supposed to? I was a registered user of
ACLog for a while but got fed up with it's faults and shortcomings, got
tired of N3FJP's excuses for the problems that other programs didn't
have, and abandoned it long ago. I realize you don't intend to do that,
but in my opinion it's a self inflicted wound.

73,
Dave AB7E

On 6/2/2012 6:19 PM, Terry Schieler wrote:
>
> Other than recommending other logging programs can anyone offer an ACLog command solution. I'm not a contester and have tried all the popular logging/rig control offerings that many of you use. Most programs offer WAY too many features for my needs. Many thanks.
>
> 73,
>
> Terry, W0FM
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Kevin Stover

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

In reply to this post by Terry Schieler

That's as good as it's going to get.
N3FJP has said he has no intention of fixing the program for the K3 and
other radios.
This is a software problem and not an K3 problem.
It's probably time to move up in the logging world, like a lot of other
people have done.

On 06/02/2012 08:19 PM, Terry Schieler wrote:
> If anyone has been successful in finding a way to send DX spot rig command strings *smoothly* from N3FJP's ACLog to a K3, would you please email me with the software settings you've used. I have not been able to get ACLog to interface well with my K3 (#474) since I bought the rig (the software worked fine with my FT1000MP).

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AC0H

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Charles Johnson

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

In reply to this post by David Gilbert

I second that opinion. Worst software I actually paid good money for.

73, Charlie, K4ZRJ

On Jun 3, 2012, at 12:54 AM, David Gilbert wrote:

>
>
> Most of those other programs actually work, though.
>
> Programs like Logger32 (free and well supported) are modular and easily
> tailored to be as simple as you want them to be. And did I mention that
> they actually work like they're supposed to? I was a registered user of
> ACLog for a while but got fed up with it's faults and shortcomings, got
> tired of N3FJP's excuses for the problems that other programs didn't
> have, and abandoned it long ago. I realize you don't intend to do that,
> but in my opinion it's a self inflicted wound.
>
> 73,
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
> On 6/2/2012 6:19 PM, Terry Schieler wrote:
>>
>> Other than recommending other logging programs can anyone offer an ACLog command solution. I'm not a contester and have tried all the popular logging/rig control offerings that many of you use. Most programs offer WAY too many features for my needs. Many thanks.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Terry, W0FM
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N5GE-2

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

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I've never understood why Yaesu handles command codes the way they do.

On the other hand long before I got my K3 I was writing radio control
applications (for personal use) for my Kenwood rigs. The Kenwood control
language is easy to work with since it uses commands that are semicolon
delimited strings whose text gives a hint as to what they do.

I never could remember the binary commands used by Yaesu. That made necessary
to keep the programming manual on the desk top all of the time. There are those
who believe things are "non-standard" simply because they don't use them...

Thank goodness Elecraft chose to base their commands on the Kenwood command set!
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
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On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 20:19:00 -0500, Terry Schieler
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[snip]
>Scott, N3FJP, told me that Elecraft sends the commands to the K3 in a "non-standard" format but claims to "generally support" the Elecraft line.
[snip]

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Terry Schieler

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

In reply to this post by David Gilbert

Well, a point to you, Dave. I am not against moving on from ACLog, it's just that I'd become so accustomed to it that I had preferred to "tough it out" until *someone* figured it out. But, from the responses I've seen here, my hope is dashed. So, I will continue my search for a replacement program. I have a half dozen or so loaded onto my shack computer and I'm ready to move on.

Thanks to all.

73, Terry, W0FM

-----Original Message-----
From: David Gilbert [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

Most of those other programs actually work, though.

Programs like Logger32 (free and well supported) are modular and easily tailored to be as simple as you want them to be. And did I mention that they actually work like they're supposed to? I was a registered user of ACLog for a while but got fed up with it's faults and shortcomings, got tired of N3FJP's excuses for the problems that other programs didn't have, and abandoned it long ago. I realize you don't intend to do that, but in my opinion it's a self inflicted wound.

73,
Dave AB7E

On 6/2/2012 6:19 PM, Terry Schieler wrote:
>
> Other than recommending other logging programs can anyone offer an ACLog command solution. I'm not a contester and have tried all the popular logging/rig control offerings that many of you use. Most programs offer WAY too many features for my needs. Many thanks.
>
> 73,
>
> Terry, W0FM

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Nate Bargmann

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

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* On 2012 03 Jun 13:34 -0500, N5GE wrote:
>
> I've never understood why Yaesu handles command codes the way they do.
>
> On the other hand long before I got my K3 I was writing radio control
> applications (for personal use) for my Kenwood rigs. The Kenwood control
> language is easy to work with since it uses commands that are semicolon
> delimited strings whose text gives a hint as to what they do.

Beginning with the FT-9000 series, Yaesu chose to use the Kenwood style
command set. Future models should have more commonality between
commands and responses than the older models.

While not perfect, the Hamlib project exists so that program authors can
concentrate on their code and reinventing the radio control wheel.
While we have a mature code base, there is always room for improvement
and we have many contributors who have helped in various ways over the
years. Inquiries and code are welcome.

73, de Nate, N0NB >>

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Jim Low man

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

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I was just looking over the N3FJP software and am glad that I ran across
these comments.
I liked the idea that it would support Field Day, the ARRL VHF contests
and other major contests, as well as many state QSO parties.

Anyone have anything good to say about the software? Alternatives with
the same capabilities?

72/73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 6/3/2012 9:30 AM, Charles Johnson wrote:

> I second that opinion. Worst software I actually paid good money for.
>
> 73, Charlie, K4ZRJ
>
> On Jun 3, 2012, at 12:54 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
>>
>> Most of those other programs actually work, though.
>>
>> Programs like Logger32 (free and well supported) are modular and easily
>> tailored to be as simple as you want them to be. And did I mention that
>> they actually work like they're supposed to? I was a registered user of
>> ACLog for a while but got fed up with it's faults and shortcomings, got
>> tired of N3FJP's excuses for the problems that other programs didn't
>> have, and abandoned it long ago. I realize you don't intend to do that,
>> but in my opinion it's a self inflicted wound.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave AB7E
>>

Kevin Stover

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

Depends what you want in a logging application.
If you're just interested in electronic logging and don't want rig
control it's just fine.

If you want rig control, real time spotting network integration,
flexible award handling and tracking including log database sorting,
integration of LoTW and eQSL, ADIF and Cabrillo import and export, etc,
etc, etc... Look elsewhere.

I use the DX Lab Suite. It's free (I'm cheap) for general logging and
N1MM, also free, for contesting.
Others will sing the praises of Ham Radio Deluxe but it's free days are
numbered if not over and it sometimes sucks the very life out of your
computer (a little buggy).
Still others like Logger32.

If DX Lab wasn't free I'd pay for it.

On 06/03/2012 07:41 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:
> I was just looking over the N3FJP software and am glad that I ran across
> these comments.
> I liked the idea that it would support Field Day, the ARRL VHF contests
> and other major contests, as well as many state QSO parties.
>
> Anyone have anything good to say about the software? Alternatives with
> the same capabilities?
>
> 72/73 de Jim - AD6CW

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Gary K9GS

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

In reply to this post by Jim Low man

Hands down, N1MM

http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php

Does everything N3FJP does and much much more.....

On 6/3/2012 7:41 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:

> I was just looking over the N3FJP software and am glad that I ran across
> these comments.
> I liked the idea that it would support Field Day, the ARRL VHF contests
> and other major contests, as well as many state QSO parties.
>
> Anyone have anything good to say about the software? Alternatives with
> the same capabilities?
>
> 72/73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
> On 6/3/2012 9:30 AM, Charles Johnson wrote:
>> I second that opinion. Worst software I actually paid good money for.
>>
>> 73, Charlie, K4ZRJ
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2012, at 12:54 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>>
>>> Most of those other programs actually work, though.
>>>
>>> Programs like Logger32 (free and well supported) are modular and easily
>>> tailored to be as simple as you want them to be. And did I mention that
>>> they actually work like they're supposed to? I was a registered user of
>>> ACLog for a while but got fed up with it's faults and shortcomings, got
>>> tired of N3FJP's excuses for the problems that other programs didn't
>>> have, and abandoned it long ago. I realize you don't intend to do that,
>>> but in my opinion it's a self inflicted wound.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dave AB7E
>>>
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N0AZZ

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

In reply to this post by Kevin Stover

I wanted a logging program that did everything one should and be very
customizable and advanced in features. I tried them all free and purchased
and after a year made a decision on one that was head and shoulders above
the others that being Logic8 now 9. That was 5 years ago and would hate to
ever have to change the main reason you have phone and email access to the
developer for problems and help if you need it. If you have a problem you
can't get resolved yourself he can logon to your computer and work on the
program to fix or add whatever needs to be done. He responds in real time
and updates come as soon as a problem is found or a new feature needs to be
added to the program.

It does all of the things named in this thread and adds too them with
support for most all contests, QSO parties, Field Day and so on. Award
tracking and needed entries by band and mode not confirmed can be setup with
voice announce. The best way to check the Best Logger out is go to
hosenose.com then go to Logic9 and download a full working version for a 30
day trial and judge for you. A really good logging program is big deals in
our shacks now with all they do and even the most costly of them are one of
the cheapest things we do in the hobby. So why not choose the best?

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:04 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

Depends what you want in a logging application.
If you're just interested in electronic logging and don't want rig control
it's just fine.

If you want rig control, real time spotting network integration, flexible
award handling and tracking including log database sorting, integration of
LoTW and eQSL, ADIF and Cabrillo import and export, etc, etc, etc... Look
elsewhere.

I use the DX Lab Suite. It's free (I'm cheap) for general logging and N1MM,
also free, for contesting.
Others will sing the praises of Ham Radio Deluxe but it's free days are
numbered if not over and it sometimes sucks the very life out of your
computer (a little buggy).
Still others like Logger32.

If DX Lab wasn't free I'd pay for it.

On 06/03/2012 07:41 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:
> I was just looking over the N3FJP software and am glad that I ran
> across these comments.
> I liked the idea that it would support Field Day, the ARRL VHF
> contests and other major contests, as well as many state QSO parties.
>
> Anyone have anything good to say about the software? Alternatives
> with the same capabilities?
>
> 72/73 de Jim - AD6CW

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Lu Romero - W4LT

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

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I will say something "nice" about ACLog/N3FJP.

For a casual operator, its probably the best log package out
there for all its capabilities. It will take a while to
outgrow and a while to find all its "compromises". But it
does a lot with a rather flat learning curve. Its the most
powerful casual operator log around!

I have been a user since version 2, which I paid a whopping
$20 for. Every update to date has been free. You load it,
and you instinctively know what to do... It looks like a
cross between a paper log and an Excel spreadsheet. Scott
has done a great job of documenting functions within the
program itself. Add to this the simplicity of use, and you
dont even need a help file or a manual to do any of the
everyday logging chores that a casual operator might want to
do.

The ACLog LoTW integration is paperclip simple and hockey
puck reliable. One button does it all!

An earlier thread spoke about LOGic 8/9. Most of my local
friends have this $125 software along with their IC7800'ds
and PW-1's. Setting aside that Logic is written in FoxPro,
a DBMS that has been obsolete for almost 10 years now, a
casual operator can do 95% of what Logic can do on ACLog for
$100 less, much in the same way that I can hear and work
anything my 7800/PW1 owning friends can hear and work on my
K3/P3/ALS600 rig for $9,000 less than their huge Icom rigs
can, given equivalent aluminum, and I can "take it with me"
in a 9.5lb portable package that I can lift to and from my
desk alone.

My club also purchased Logic for, frankly, no other reason
than because "it is the best" as advised by the above 7800
owners. It has trouble dealing with multiple users on
multiple computers (a probable limitation in the FoxPro
tuple locking code, in my professional opinion, Dennis has
had to make several workaround to it with some success, but
its still not working well). This has been so much of a
pain that we have dispensed with trying to run it on all 5
logging computers and run N1MM on 4 of them, exporting ADIF
logs to Logic for upload to LoTW. And even that could be
covered by ACLog, however, Logic is "paid for" and the QSL
manager likes it, and I dont need another job to do at the
club, so I let sleeping dogs lie :)

Does ACLog have limitations? For more "advanced" users,
certainly. It did have issues with rig control of K3,
mostly when clicking on a spot; it didnt deal with mode
settings correctly. I hear that has been fixed with V3.2,
but I still have 3.0 installed. Even with V3.0, how hard is
it to reach up and hit the MODE button every once in a while
when ACLog fails to correctly deal with the mode switch from
a spot?

Do I still use ACLog? No, I outgrew it when I moved to an
SO2R capable station configuration. I use Logger32 now
because, even with its own variable limitations, I like the
look of it (it resembles N1MM, which I use for contesting)
and the bandmap and the included world maps and its ability
to deal with two rigs (one at a time; ACLog is not SO2R
capable in ANY situaton). But admittedly, it is a complex
software package that has a learning curve. I dont use a lot
of its capability, but what I do use I now feel comfortable
with. It also has integrated RTTY, something ACLog does not
have (you can add the K7RE plug in, but its a bit clunky).

DXLabs, which I have also installed, is complex as well, but
works wonderfully in SO2R and does just about anything...
But I dont like the looks of it and I dont like how much
screen realestate it wants to look "right" for me. It, too,
has a steep learning curve, and I would rather spend my time
operating than configuring software... I do enough of that
at work.

For a casual operator, its hard to beat ACLog. It grows on
you with its elegant simplicity (much like a K1 does!) and
is really simple to deal with. I've yet to find a better
LoTW implementation than the drop dead simple one Scott
created for ACLog... So much so that I currently export my
Logger32 LoTW submissions to ACLog and confirm them using
that program instead of bothering with Logger32's LoTW
setup. Im not doing that forever though, and as I climb up
the Logger32 learning curve, Im sure I will stop.

But in retrospect, I do miss the simplicity and efficiency
of ACLog. Again, for Casual Operators, the feature set and
useability of this package is very hard to beat at any
price. I know that Elecraft owners can relate to that
paradigm.

Lu Romero - W4LT
K3/P3/MFJ998/AL600 - The "AL K-Line"

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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:52:58 -0500
From: Terry Schieler <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?
To: 'David Gilbert' <[hidden email]>
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Well, a point to you, Dave. I am not against moving on from
ACLog, it's just that
I'd become so accustomed to it that I had preferred to
"tough it out" until
*someone* figured it out. But, from the responses I've seen
here, my hope is dashed.
So, I will continue my search for a replacement program. I
have a half dozen or so
loaded onto my shack computer and I'm ready to move on.

Thanks to all.

73, Terry, W0FM

-----Original Message-----
From: David Gilbert [[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:54 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

Most of those other programs actually work, though.

Programs like Logger32 (free and well supported) are modular
and easily tailored to
be as simple as you want them to be. And did I mention that
they actually work like
they're supposed to? I was a registered user of ACLog for a
while but got fed up
with it's faults and shortcomings, got tired of N3FJP's
excuses for the problems that
other programs didn't have, and abandoned it long ago. I
realize you don't intend to
do that, but in my opinion it's a self inflicted wound.

73,
Dave AB7E

On 6/2/2012 6:19 PM, Terry Schieler wrote:
>
> Other than recommending other logging programs can anyone
offer an ACLog command
solution. I'm not a contester and have tried all the popular
logging/rig control
offerings that many of you use. Most programs offer WAY too
many features for my
needs. Many thanks.
>
> 73,
>
> Terry, W0FM

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David Inger-2

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

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Hi Jim,

I have been using ACLog for about 2 years now. I find it simple, easy to
use, and without a lot of complex features that are of no value...to me. I
am a DX'er and an extremely casual contester (for the DX value). ACLog
reports K3's band and exact frequency; which is all I really want it to do
for logging purposes. I don't use it to control a rotator (since my wire
antennas and vertical don't need rotators!) and I don't use it to report DX
spots; I use the standalone DX cluster program DX Summit for that. I also
find the program easy to use for my LoTW uploads.

I have tried several other logging programs such as logger32, Ham Radio
Deluxe (which I use for general rig control and digimodes), DX Keeper, etc.
I find them all too bloated with features I have no use for, and which
require a learning curve that I don't have the time for. One good thing
about ACLog (which is true of many logging programs) is that it will export
your log in ADIF format. If you chose to switch to another logger, it is
relatively painless to export from ACLog and import into your new logger of
choice.

These are my experiences for what it's worth.....

73 de K6SBA
David in Santa Barbara

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Terry Schieler

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

David,

Your comments about the ease of use of the ACLog program for "casual" users is EXACTLY why I was hoping to find a fix for the DX spotting issue I have with ACLog and my K3. I didn't want to give up the simplicity of ACLog, but had hoped to make it work *fully* with the K3. It does everything I need (and intuitively) except a smooth spot. I am resistant to change with something I've used for so many years. But, I guess one can't have everything.

Terry, W0FM

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Hi Jim,

I have been using ACLog for about 2 years now. I find it simple, easy to use, and without a lot of complex features that are of no value...to me. I am a DX'er and an extremely casual contester (for the DX value). ACLog reports K3's band and exact frequency; which is all I really want it to do for logging purposes. I don't use it to control a rotator (since my wire antennas and vertical don't need rotators!) and I don't use it to report DX spots; I use the standalone DX cluster program DX Summit for that. I also find the program easy to use for my LoTW uploads.

I have tried several other logging programs such as logger32, Ham Radio Deluxe (which I use for general rig control and digimodes), DX Keeper, etc.
I find them all too bloated with features I have no use for, and which require a learning curve that I don't have the time for. One good thing about ACLog (which is true of many logging programs) is that it will export your log in ADIF format. If you chose to switch to another logger, it is relatively painless to export from ACLog and import into your new logger of choice.

These are my experiences for what it's worth.....

73 de K6SBA
David in Santa Barbara

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Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

If you are using a USB converter rather than a rs-232 connection it may be your problem as many of the USB converters do not give you a full featured connection.

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On Jun 4, 2012, at 11:13, Terry Schieler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> David,
>
> Your comments about the ease of use of the ACLog program for "casual" users is EXACTLY why I was hoping to find a fix for the DX spotting issue I have with ACLog and my K3. I didn't want to give up the simplicity of ACLog, but had hoped to make it work *fully* with the K3. It does everything I need (and intuitively) except a smooth spot. I am resistant to change with something I've used for so many years. But, I guess one can't have everything.
>
> Terry, W0FM
>
>
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>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I have been using ACLog for about 2 years now. I find it simple, easy to use, and without a lot of complex features that are of no value...to me. I am a DX'er and an extremely casual contester (for the DX value). ACLog reports K3's band and exact frequency; which is all I really want it to do for logging purposes. I don't use it to control a rotator (since my wire antennas and vertical don't need rotators!) and I don't use it to report DX spots; I use the standalone DX cluster program DX Summit for that. I also find the program easy to use for my LoTW uploads.
>
> I have tried several other logging programs such as logger32, Ham Radio Deluxe (which I use for general rig control and digimodes), DX Keeper, etc.
> I find them all too bloated with features I have no use for, and which require a learning curve that I don't have the time for. One good thing about ACLog (which is true of many logging programs) is that it will export your log in ADIF format. If you chose to switch to another logger, it is relatively painless to export from ACLog and import into your new logger of choice.
>
> These are my experiences for what it's worth.....
>
> 73 de K6SBA
> David in Santa Barbara
>
>
>
>
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Nate Bargmann

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

* On 2012 04 Jun 11:45 -0500, Willis wrote:
> If you are using a USB converter rather than a rs-232 connection it may be your problem as many of the USB converters do not give you a full featured connection.

All that is needed for K3 control are TXD, RXD, and Ground. DTR and RTS
are used for PTT and Key-in (see page 18 of the manual), not serial
communications. The problem, as described earlier, is that the program
is setting the mode first and then the frequency. I've asked other
program authors to reverse those two commands and they have willingly
complied. The sequence is important on the K3 as mode is retained on a
per band/VFO basis and it acts on commands as autonomous units. To me
it seems as though setting the freq first and then the mode should be
the proper sequence for all rigs, not just the K3. Perhaps programs
should be smarter (and some likely are) where after changing the
frequency the mode is polled and then changed only if necessary.

The only problem with USB to serial adapters when controlling the K3 is
apparently with drivers on certain legacy operating systems. I've used
a couple of Prolific based converters on my Linux machines with nary an
issue.

Sent from my Linux computer!

73, de Nate, N0NB >>

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Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

In reply to this post by Kevin Stover

Agree all the way. For daily logging and superb tracking (there are gobs of
awards that can be tracked and user-defined fields if you need even more),
I also have used DXLabs for quite some time (five or six years). There *is*
somewhat of a learning curve. The author of the suite (who also co-hosts an
excellent forum) recommends learning a specific piece, then learning
another one and so forth.

If you're only interested in single-op situations, N1MM is also free and is
pretty easy to set up. If you want to get involved in multi-rig or multi-op
situations, it can be somewhat more complex. In either case, the N1MM forum
has participation from the authors and is very, very well supported.

Art - N4PJ

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Kevin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Depends what you want in a logging application.
> If you're just interested in electronic logging and don't want rig
> control it's just fine.
>
> If you want rig control, real time spotting network integration,
> flexible award handling and tracking including log database sorting,
> integration of LoTW and eQSL, ADIF and Cabrillo import and export, etc,
> etc, etc... Look elsewhere.
>
> I use the DX Lab Suite. It's free (I'm cheap) for general logging and
> N1MM, also free, for contesting.
> Others will sing the praises of Ham Radio Deluxe but it's free days are
> numbered if not over and it sometimes sucks the very life out of your
> computer (a little buggy).
> Still others like Logger32.
>
> If DX Lab wasn't free I'd pay for it.
>
>
> On 06/03/2012 07:41 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:
> > I was just looking over the N3FJP software and am glad that I ran across
> > these comments.
> > I liked the idea that it would support Field Day, the ARRL VHF contests
> > and other major contests, as well as many state QSO parties.
> >
> > Anyone have anything good to say about the software? Alternatives with
> > the same capabilities?
> >
> > 72/73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
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Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

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On 6/4/2012 12:27 PM, Arthur Burke wrote:

> Agree all the way. For daily logging and superb tracking (there are gobs of
> awards that can be tracked and user-defined fields if you need even more),
> I also have used DXLabs for quite some time (five or six years). There *is*
> somewhat of a learning curve. The author of the suite (who also co-hosts an
> excellent forum) recommends learning a specific piece, then learning
> another one and so forth.
>
> If you're only interested in single-op situations, N1MM is also free and is
> pretty easy to set up. If you want to get involved in multi-rig or multi-op
> situations, it can be somewhat more complex. In either case, the N1MM forum
> has participation from the authors and is very, very well supported.
>
> Art - N4PJ
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Kevin<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Depends what you want in a logging application.
>> If you're just interested in electronic logging and don't want rig
>> control it's just fine.
>>
>> If you want rig control, real time spotting network integration,
>> flexible award handling and tracking including log database sorting,
>> integration of LoTW and eQSL, ADIF and Cabrillo import and export, etc,
>> etc, etc... Look elsewhere.
>>
>> I use the DX Lab Suite. It's free (I'm cheap) for general logging and
>> N1MM, also free, for contesting.
>> Others will sing the praises of Ham Radio Deluxe but it's free days are
>> numbered if not over and it sometimes sucks the very life out of your
>> computer (a little buggy).
>> Still others like Logger32.
>>
>> If DX Lab wasn't free I'd pay for it.
>>
>>
>> On 06/03/2012 07:41 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:
>>> I was just looking over the N3FJP software and am glad that I ran across
>>> these comments.
>>> I liked the idea that it would support Field Day, the ARRL VHF contests
>>> and other major contests, as well as many state QSO parties.
>>>
>>> Anyone have anything good to say about the software? Alternatives with
>>> the same capabilities?
>>>
>>> 72/73 de Jim - AD6CW
>>
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Jim Low man

Re: [K3] N3FJP rig control settings?

In reply to this post by Jim Low man

Thanks to everyone who took the time to post some positive thoughts
on the N3FJP software suite.

I see that I should have added some parameters initially. I'm a casual
operator and
contester due to using QRP power levels for the most part, and simple
antennas.
About the only time that I operate with a group is Field Day, so I can
find out what
logging software that the group uses in advance and be sure that I know
how to use
it.

I also don't do spotting - DX or otherwise. That seemed to be the only
limitation that
I saw mentioned.

72/73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 6/3/2012 5:41 PM, Jim Lowman wrote: