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Mine is s/n 192, received it as a kit in January 2008. No problem here.
73 Glenn ON4WIX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader > > > Don, > >> The date of manufacture (or shipment) is a much better indicator >> of vintage for K3s during that backlog period. >> >> Mine is of the December 2007 vintage and it has the same behavior >> as Brian's which is June '08. It would appear that many earlier >> K3s do not > > My first unit is between yours an Brian's ... I can't see the > failure as date of manufacture related. S/N 622 was a kit - > staged in the factory in early April 2008 and received almost > exactly one year ago. > > However, out of curiosity, I connected the second K3 (S/N 1450 - > kit, manufactured in August 2008) and updated its firmware. The > second unit exhibits the "failure." Both units have identical > options and all settings are as nearly identical as I can make > them from memory. The "failure" will be a real PITA for RTTY > operator unless one is using AFSK with a non-standard mark > frequency! > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm >> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:07 AM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader >> >> >> Joe and all, >> >> It seems much of Elecraft has gone to Visalia for the >> weekend, so we may >> not get any further ideas until they return. >> >> The serial number is not the best indicator of the K3 vintage until >> after the extreme backlog was cleared last year. If you >> recall, factory >> assembled K3s spent longer at Aptos than the kits, and serial numbers >> were pre-assigned at the time the order was pulled. The date of >> manufacture (or shipment) is a much better indicator of >> vintage for K3s >> during that backlog period. >> >> Mine is of the December 2007 vintage and it has the same behavior as >> Brian's which is June '08. It would appear that many earlier >> K3s do not >> display the same behavior. >> >> *If* the Data mode is stored in EEPROM, then I do have a good >> guess for >> the source, but we will have to wait on Wayne and Lyle for that >> information - patience is good, the problem has been >> identified and it >> will not be ignored. >> >> Many thanks to Brian for spotting this. My data mode stays in DATA A >> normally so I for one would not have noticed in normal operation. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> Perhaps if we knew which S/N's are involved that might also >> >> help unravel what's going on. >> >> >> >> Mine is #1129. Another reported his #980 had it. W3FPR is >> >> seeing it also. I believe he has an even older K3. >> >> >> > >> > I don't understand it either ... I've been TRYING to duplicate >> > the symptoms and can't make the rig come up in anything except >> > FSK D when that's where it was set. S/N is 622 but I've heard >> > of "failures" with both higher and lower s/n. >> > >> > 73, >> > >> > ... Joe, W4TV >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Brian Alsop [mailto:[hidden email]] >> >> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:36 AM >> >> To: [hidden email] >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe, >> >> >> >> There has to be a common failure mode for those of us >> >> experiencing this. >> >> >> >> Rumors have it that some EEPROMs are slow to write for series >> >> of boards. >> >> >> >> Perhaps if we knew which S/N's are involved that might also >> >> help unravel >> >> what's going on. >> >> >> >> Mine is #1129. Another reported his #980 had it. W3FPR is >> >> seeing it >> >> also. I believe he has an even older K3. >> >> >> >> The odd thing is that whatever triggered this, can't be >> >> cured by going >> >> back to older FW versions and older FW loaders. >> >> It's like an EEPROM memory bit is bad or not being written on >> >> shutdown.. >> >> Behaves like what you get when turning off power supply >> rather than >> >> the K3 power switch. >> >> >> >> A mystery indeed. >> >> >> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO >> >> >> >> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Strange ... I'm also running 3.10 loaded with the new utility. I >> >>> loaded 3.10, DSP1 2.15, DSP2, 2.15, FP 1.00 and the data tables >> >>> twice. Power was cycled power between the two uploads. >> >>> >> >>> I have not checked the second K3 ... it's offline at the moment >> >>> waiting for me to make a couple of the updates. >> >>> >> >>> 73, >> >>> >> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -- >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.59/2064 - Release >> Date: 04/17/09 07:08:00 >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Please accept my apologies for asking a question that may have been dealt
with before. My K3 (running version 3.06 software) gives a loud, short, sharp audio burst on turn-on. The sound doesn't seem to last longer than about a half-second, but it is loud. This happens even if the audio gain is turned right down. I don't recall this happening running software version 2.78, which was the last version I had loaded. The rig works normally immediately after the sound disappears. Anything I can do to get rid of this noise (apart from giving away the rig, of course)? Cheers, Alan V31FA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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OK, that shoots down my theory that it is manufacturing date related.
Well, *maybe*, we now have a sample of 2 that do not fail, and several that do. Not really enough for valid conclusions Results to be seen, but at least there are several K3s that a fix can be tested on. 73, Don W3FPR ON4WIX wrote: > Mine is s/n 192, received it as a kit in January 2008. No problem here. > > 73 > Glenn ON4WIX > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3 audio burst on turn-on
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Reload firmware but be sure you have checked "Always load DSP data tables" The noise burst seems to be an initialization issue due to a mismatch between data tables and DSP version. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Alan Slusher > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:41 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio burst on turn-on > > > Please accept my apologies for asking a question that may > have been dealt with before. > > My K3 (running version 3.06 software) gives a loud, short, > sharp audio burst on turn-on. The sound doesn't seem to last > longer than about a half-second, but it is loud. This happens > even if the audio gain is turned right down. I don't recall > this happening running software version 2.78, which was the > last version I had loaded. The rig works normally immediately > after the sound disappears. > > Anything I can do to get rid of this noise (apart from giving > away the rig, of course)? > > Cheers, > > Alan V31FA > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4
Played with both K3's. Using the new loader, if I go back to 3.01 or below I do not have the problem with either rig. If I step forward I get the problem with 3.03. I also tried 3.04, 3.05, 3.06, 3.08, 3.09 and 3.10. All versions exhibit the power on problem changing the data mode to DATA A if I shut down the K3 in either CW or SSB mode. I did not try any other mode. I did not try any of this with the old loader. 73, N2TK, Tony #311 #1435 -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:51 AM To: 'Brian Alsop'; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader > Perhaps if we knew which S/N's are involved that might also > help unravel what's going on. > > Mine is #1129. Another reported his #980 had it. W3FPR is > seeing it also. I believe he has an even older K3. I don't understand it either ... I've been TRYING to duplicate the symptoms and can't make the rig come up in anything except FSK D when that's where it was set. S/N is 622 but I've heard of "failures" with both higher and lower s/n. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Alsop [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:36 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader > > > Joe, > > There has to be a common failure mode for those of us > experiencing this. > > Rumors have it that some EEPROMs are slow to write for series > of boards. > > Perhaps if we knew which S/N's are involved that might also > help unravel > what's going on. > > Mine is #1129. Another reported his #980 had it. W3FPR is > seeing it > also. I believe he has an even older K3. > > The odd thing is that whatever triggered this, can't be > cured by going > back to older FW versions and older FW loaders. > It's like an EEPROM memory bit is bad or not being written on > shutdown.. > Behaves like what you get when turning off power supply rather than > the K3 power switch. > > A mystery indeed. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > >Strange ... I'm also running 3.10 loaded with the new utility. > >I loaded 3.10, DSP1 2.15, DSP2, 2.15, FP 1.00 and the data > >tables twice. Power was cycled power between the two uploads. > > > >I have not checked the second K3 ... it's offline at the moment > >waiting for me to make a couple of the updates. > > > >73, > > > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Don, > OK, that shoots down my theory that it is manufacturing date > related. Well, *maybe*, we now have a sample of 2 that do > not fail, and several that do. Here's one more data point ... I deleted all of the old files from the firmware directory in the K3 Utility, extracted the MCU 2.67/DSP 1.96 package and uploaded it to K3 S/N 1450. The "failure" disappeared after reloading MCU 2.67, DISP 1.96 and FPF 0.02. I then stepped through MCU 2.78/DSP 1.98 and MCU 2.97/DSP 2.02 which also worked fine. When I reached MCU 3.03/DSP 2.10 the "failure" reappeared. Stepping back to MCU 2.97/DSP 2.02 restored normal operation and installing ONLY MCU 3.03 with DSP 2.02 generated the problem. It looks like there is a subtle bug introduced in MCU 3.03 (between 2.99 and 3.03) but I don't understand why my older K3 does not display the same failure. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:47 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader > > > OK, that shoots down my theory that it is manufacturing date > related. > Well, *maybe*, we now have a sample of 2 that do not fail, > and several > that do. Not really enough for valid conclusions Results > to be seen, > but at least there are several K3s that a fix can be tested on. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > ON4WIX wrote: > > Mine is s/n 192, received it as a kit in January 2008. No problem > > here. > > > > 73 > > Glenn ON4WIX > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Joe:
Thank you very much. I followed your suggestion, and it worked perfectly. Cheers, Alan V31FA ------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:05 AM To: 'Alan Slusher'; [hidden email] Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 audio burst on turn-on Reload firmware but be sure you have checked "Always load DSP data tables" The noise burst seems to be an initialization issue due to a mismatch between data tables and DSP version. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > > > > Please accept my apologies for asking a question that may > have been dealt with before. > > My K3 (running version 3.06 software) gives a loud, short, > sharp audio burst on turn-on. The sound doesn't seem to last > longer than about a half-second, but it is loud. This happens > even if the audio gain is turned right down. I don't recall > this happening running software version 2.78, which was the > last version I had loaded. The rig works normally immediately > after the sound disappears. > > Anything I can do to get rid of this noise (apart from giving > away the rig, of course)? > > Cheers, > > Alan V31FA > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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