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Roy Morris-6

K3 Noise Reduction Performance

I have two K3s and the NR is the same on both. If I had to identify a feature on the K3 that needs improvement, I would have to say it is the NR. I cannot find a noise reduction setting that is suitable to me. I realize this is a subjective, and you would have to compare the K3s noise reduction with that of another radio. I have owned the Ten-Tec Omni VII which in my opinion has the best NR on SSB without a doubt. I believe it is all in the NR programming and how the algorithms are set up. There has been considerable improvement from the time the K3 was introduced, but I believe there is still room for further improvement. I would like to see noise reduction with a minimum loss of signal fidelity. Roy Morris W4WFB
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The Smiths

Re: K3 Noise Reduction Performance

I have to disagree. I have serious QRM at my location and when I use settings 2-5 with Med 2 IF on my NR, it cleans up ALL of the electrical noise in my area. I ALWAYS drop at least 3 S-Units of noise each time I turn mine on. However, if there can be even more improvement than I'm all for it.

T. Smith

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> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 16:27:56 -0500
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Noise Reduction Performance
>
> I have two K3s and the NR is the same on both. If I had to identify a feature on the K3 that needs improvement, I would have to say it is the NR. I cannot find a noise reduction setting that is suitable to me. I realize this is a subjective, and you would have to compare the K3s noise reduction with that of another radio. I have owned the Ten-Tec Omni VII which in my opinion has the best NR on SSB without a doubt. I believe it is all in the NR programming and how the algorithms are set up. There has been considerable improvement from the time the K3 was introduced, but I believe there is still room for further improvement. I would like to see noise reduction with a minimum loss of signal fidelity. Roy Morris W4WFB
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K2QI

Re: K3 Noise Reduction Performance

NB works well... It's the NR that could use improvement.

Tnx,
Jim K2QI
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:26:29
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Noise Reduction Performance

I have to disagree. I have serious QRM at my location and when I use settings 2-5 with Med 2 IF on my NR, it cleans up ALL of the electrical noise in my area. I ALWAYS drop at least 3 S-Units of noise each time I turn mine on. However, if there can be even more improvement than I'm all for it.

T. Smith

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3 Noise Reduction Performance

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Where is your real name and call as required by the list policy?

N6MQL
ARETSKY, MICHAEL A
5543 TIERRA GARDENS LN
CARMICHAEL, CA 95608

On 11/29/2010 12:26 AM, The Smiths wrote:
>

> I have to disagree. I have serious QRM at my location and when I use
settings 2-5 with Med 2 IF on my NR, it cleans up ALL of the electrical
noise in my area. I ALWAYS drop at least 3 S-Units of noise each time I
turn mine on. However, if there can be even more improvement than I'm
all for it.

> T. Smith
>
>> From: [hidden email]
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 16:27:56 -0500
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Noise Reduction Performance
>>
>> I have two K3s and the NR is the same on both. If I had to identify a feature on the K3 that needs improvement, I would have to say it is the NR. I cannot find a noise reduction setting that is suitable to me. I realize this is a subjective, and you would have to compare the K3s noise reduction with that of another radio. I have owned the Ten-Tec Omni VII which in my opinion has the best NR on SSB without a doubt. I believe it is all in the NR programming and how the algorithms are set up. There has been considerable improvement from the time the K3 was introduced, but I believe there is still room for further improvement. I would like to see noise reduction with a minimum loss of signal fidelity. Roy Morris W4WFB
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David Herring-3

Re: K3 Noise Reduction Performance

So, as a matter of curiosity and not defending anyone's behavior or meaning to stir up trouble, how is it that we have come to know T. Smith's identity as N6MQL?

David
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On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:09 AM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Where is your real name and call as required by the list policy?
>
> N6MQL
> ARETSKY, MICHAEL A
> 5543 TIERRA GARDENS LN
> CARMICHAEL, CA 95608
>
>
>
> On 11/29/2010 12:26 AM, The Smiths wrote:
>>
>
>> I have to disagree. I have serious QRM at my location and when I use
> settings 2-5 with Med 2 IF on my NR, it cleans up ALL of the electrical
> noise in my area. I ALWAYS drop at least 3 S-Units of noise each time I
> turn mine on. However, if there can be even more improvement than I'm
> all for it.
>
>> T. Smith
>>
>>> From: [hidden email]
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 16:27:56 -0500
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Noise Reduction Performance
>>>
>>> I have two K3s and the NR is the same on both. If I had to identify a feature on the K3 that needs improvement, I would have to say it is the NR. I cannot find a noise reduction setting that is suitable to me. I realize this is a subjective, and you would have to compare the K3s noise reduction with that of another radio. I have owned the Ten-Tec Omni VII which in my opinion has the best NR on SSB without a doubt. I believe it is all in the NR programming and how the algorithms are set up. There has been considerable improvement from the time the K3 was introduced, but I believe there is still room for further improvement. I would like to see noise reduction with a minimum loss of signal fidelity. Roy Morris W4WFB
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: K3 Noise Reduction Performance

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Michael and Joe,

Please refrain from posting any more emails to the list regarding how
another is mis-identified, or verbally attacking one another. It is not
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As moderator, please notify me if you have concerns or problems. There
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Lastly, let me clarify the posting identification standard for the list.
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: K3 Noise Reduction Performance

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Clarification on #3:

3. It is -not- appropriate to use a false name, or -false- callsign, or to post
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3 Noise Reduction Performance

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Micheal,

>> First off I would like to point out to the group that Joe has just
>> proven one thing.. He is nothing more than a common BULLY. Plain
>> and simple.

It is you who has acted like a bully for quite some time here - and
previously on multiple other equipment specific e-mail lists - all
the time hiding behind this "privacy" nonsense. The policy of this
list has been to include the poster's real name and call sign but I
don't see that you have done that once in all the time you've been
here. Instead, you use a pseudonym that is about as generic as "J.
Doe" and claim to be an SWL while all the time picking fights with
those who don't agree with your view of the world ... or who point
out that what you say is quite simply and factually incorrect.

It is quite obvious that you do not care to be identified with your
remarks or take any responsibility for them ... otherwise you would
not try to hide behind some curtain with an assumed name, no call
and a "hotmail" e-mail account.

>> I believe that action against Joe should be taken at this time.

Now, who is the *real* bully? If the emperor has no clothes, it is
time someone stepped up and said so. You simply act like one who
leaves an IED on the information super-highway or lobs RPGs into a
public square from a hillside a few km away. Your behavior does
nothing to improve information sharing or or encourage polite
conversation.

>> This harrasment MUST stop.

Agreed! Stop harassing the members of the is list; act like a man,
take responsibility for what you post and sign your e-mail with your
real name and call (or find another sandbox willing to play by your
"rules").

... Joe, W4TV

On 11/29/2010 4:48 PM, The Smiths wrote:

>
> First off I would like to point out to the group that Joe has just proven one thing.. He is nothing more than a common BULLY. Plain and simple.
>
> Second, whether this is my information or not, it is not your place to be posting someone's personal information on the reflector. I'm not sure who made you the police of this group, but it's very unbecoming. I feel sorry for you Joe. You're so damaged that you need to make unprovoked posts like this. I hope that the readers of this reflector see just how disrespectful, rude and self serving you are. You're nothing more than a person that likes to cause conflict with others unprovoked. I hope Eric sees this, and he bans you from the reflector for your inconsideration.
>
> Nothing in my post below refers to you, or even has any negative remarks that would affect others. As matter of fact, I just simply tried to help the other by pointing out that settings 2-5 with Medium 2 IF helps the NB work better. Yet somehow you feel this has caused you so much grief that you need to start a campaign to discredit, expose and bully others. I truly feel sorry for you.
>
> Now, if you feel that this N6MQL IS me, than fine. I see that Jim Rogers has posted that information earlier, where he got that I don't know. However, I'm sure that N6MQL wouldn't be to happy that you've accused him of something, then gone on to post his personal information on the group regardless. I hope you're happy with your actions, and that you feel good about yourself now.
> I believe that action against Joe should be taken at this time. Enough is enough. This harrasment MUST stop.
>
>
> T. Smith
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:09:55 -0500
>> From: [hidden email]
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Noise Reduction Performance
>>
>>
>> Where is your real name and call as required by the list policy?
>>
>> N6MQL
>> ARETSKY, MICHAEL A
>> 5543 TIERRA GARDENS LN
>> CARMICHAEL, CA 95608
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/29/2010 12:26 AM, The Smiths wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> I have to disagree. I have serious QRM at my location and when I use
>> settings 2-5 with Med 2 IF on my NR, it cleans up ALL of the electrical
>> noise in my area. I ALWAYS drop at least 3 S-Units of noise each time I
>> turn mine on. However, if there can be even more improvement than I'm
>> all for it.
>>
>>> T. Smith
>>>
>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 16:27:56 -0500
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Noise Reduction Performance
>>>>
>>>> I have two K3s and the NR is the same on both. If I had to identify a feature on the K3 that needs improvement, I would have to say it is the NR. I cannot find a noise reduction setting that is suitable to me. I realize this is a subjective, and you would have to compare the K3s noise reduction with that of another radio. I have owned the Ten-Tec Omni VII which in my opinion has the best NR on SSB without a doubt. I believe it is all in the NR programming and how the algorithms are set up. There has been considerable improvement from the time the K3 was introduced, but I believe there is still room for further improvement. I would like to see noise reduction with a minimum loss of signal fidelity. Roy Morris W4WFB
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Johnny Siu

K3 Noise Reduction Performance

In reply to this post by The Smiths

Yes, there are a few occasions when the NR in my K3 is effective. However,
there are indeed far many occasions when I have to massage around the 4 x 8 = 32
settings and I do not find it easy to identify one to suit the then situation.

On the other hands, I simply set the NR knot at 10-11 o'clock in my Icom
families. This will suit 90% of the situation with little artifact and less
listening fatigue.
cheers,

Johnny VR2XMC

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主題： Re: [Elecraft] K3 Noise Reduction Performance

I have to disagree. I have serious QRM at my location and when I use settings
2-5 with Med 2 IF on my NR, it cleans up ALL of the electrical noise in my
area. I ALWAYS drop at least 3 S-Units of noise each time I turn mine on.
However, if there can be even more improvement than I'm all for it.

T. Smith

> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 16:27:56 -0500
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Noise Reduction Performance
>
> I have two K3s and the NR is the same on both. If I had to identify a feature
>on the K3 that needs improvement, I would have to say it is the NR. I cannot
>find a noise reduction setting that is suitable to me. I realize this is a
>subjective, and you would have to compare the K3s noise reduction with that of
>another radio. I have owned the Ten-Tec Omni VII which in my opinion has the
>best NR on SSB without a doubt. I believe it is all in the NR programming and
>how the algorithms are set up. There has been considerable improvement from the
>time the K3 was introduced, but I believe there is still room for further
>improvement. I would like to see noise reduction with a minimum loss of signal
>fidelity. Roy Morris W4WFB
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