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Dennis Egan

K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living

Ed

Having done this for several ops, the biggest issue I've faced is
inadequate Internet at the Assisted
Living, Out Patient Care, or Elder care. In 3 cases where I've been
involved in setting one of these
up so an op could work a special DXpedition, the Broadband provided for
the residents did not
have enough bandwidth to support the usage of a Remote Rig unit. If you
paid for your own
broadband service in the Assisted Living section, then, of course, you
should have enough bandwidth
to support this usage, but don't count on the community Internet service
to be enough to use Remote
Ham Radio. We did have one other case where the community Internet
service blocked the ports
we needed, and would not consider opening them for us (and we weren't
able to find unblocked
ports that we could use). In all these cases, we were able to use a "4G
Wifi Hotspot" that gave us
enough bandwidth, but that kind of thing is often missing once you get
out of the big cities.

Dennis W1UE

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Starting a new topic but it was inspired from the 'K3/0 forum' topic.
I'm still thriving from my Alaskan Ham Home,
but know someday (hopefully distant) we will be moving to assisted
living and I'm just musing a bit how I can
continue operating. Most of those institutions to not permit ham
antennas so I wondered how I could continue
having a ham station. Of course a remote station is an obvious solution,
but if on meager funds (which assisted
living will absorb) how to do it? Our local ham club built a mobile
emergency trailer a couple years back completely
outfitted for multi-stations with dual voltage, propane heat, a couple
bunks fold-out from one wall. Basic trailer
was one of the toy-mover models which got wired, insulated and
interior wall and ceiling added plus a nice
exterior signage. That gave me an idea that maybe I could build my
station into a similar trailer all interconnected
for remote control using internet (maybe wifi). And the trailer parked
long-term with power (or solar panels) and
an attached crank-up tower either at a storage lot or friendly ham (who
has room - like a farm or ranch). Thus all
I would need is a computer and K3/0 in assisted living. Might even have
a separate trailer mounted dish for eme?
Ha! Any thoughts on this - any issues that one would face?
73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag
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David Christ

Re: K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living

So how much bandwidth is needed? The complex we are looking at has a 40 Meg fiber connection to their ISP. Would think that latency would be a bigger concern

David K0LUM

> On Oct 12, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Dennis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Ed
>
> Having done this for several ops, the biggest issue I've faced is inadequate Internet at the Assisted
> Living, Out Patient Care, or Elder care. In 3 cases where I've been involved in setting one of these
> up so an op could work a special DXpedition, the Broadband provided for the residents did not
> have enough bandwidth to support the usage of a Remote Rig unit.

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Bill-3

Re: K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living

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I have a bunch of ham friends that no longer have antennas (HOA,
apartments, assisted living, etc.) and we communicate nearly every day
using CQ100.

CQ100 is a looks like , works like, licensed required, ham
communications VOIP system. It does not need super fast Internet
connection. If you can run a browser and watch YouTube - you can run
CQ100. No QRM, QRN, or fade-outs. You also can send pictures (cartoons,
scans, etc.) to those you are in QSO with.

I use HF and CQ100 on a daily basis. It is for communications (nets, rag
chewing, camaraderie, etc.) - and does a fine job. It is not for
contesting. I even operate on one net in the northeast that starts out
on 75 meters, then goes to CQ100 to include some folks down south that
no longer have HF capabilities.

Yeah I know - you don't like it because it isn't real radio. OK - then
go back to your ceramic class and sing-alongs.

For the rest of you, looking to enjoy ham radio when you no longer can
have a real station: http://www.qsonet.com/index.html

CQ100 is a subscription based system, and, for me, the cheapest ham fun
I ever bought.

I get nothing for speaking well about CQ100 - I just happen to believe
in it and its potential.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Jim Bolit

Re: K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living

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I have worked 10 states...............
Rake

-------- Original message --------
From: Bill <[hidden email]>
Date: 10/13/2015 3:45 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living

I have a bunch of ham friends that no longer have antennas (HOA,
apartments, assisted living, etc.) and we communicate nearly every day
using CQ100.

CQ100 is a looks like , works like, licensed required, ham
communications VOIP system. It does not need super fast Internet
connection. If you can run a browser and watch YouTube - you can run
CQ100. No QRM, QRN, or fade-outs. You also can send pictures (cartoons,
scans, etc.) to those you are in QSO with.

I use HF and CQ100 on a daily basis. It is for communications (nets, rag
chewing, camaraderie, etc.) - and does a fine job. It is not for
contesting. I even operate on one net in the northeast that starts out
on 75 meters, then goes to CQ100 to include some folks down south that
no longer have HF capabilities.

Yeah I know - you don't like it because it isn't real radio. OK - then
go back to your ceramic class and sing-alongs.

For the rest of you, looking to enjoy ham radio when you no longer can
have a real station: http://www.qsonet.com/index.html

CQ100 is a subscription based system, and, for me, the cheapest ham fun
I ever bought.

I get nothing for speaking well about CQ100 - I just happen to believe
in it and its potential.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Gary K9GS

Re: K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living

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While I understand the problem with installing antennas, this sounds to
me like nothing more than a specialized type of Skype/VoIP where you use
your radio as a hardware interface.

Interesting yes, but this is not ham radio.

On 10/13/2015 5:44 AM, Bill wrote:

> I have a bunch of ham friends that no longer have antennas (HOA,
> apartments, assisted living, etc.) and we communicate nearly every day
> using CQ100.
>
> CQ100 is a looks like , works like, licensed required, ham
> communications VOIP system. It does not need super fast Internet
> connection. If you can run a browser and watch YouTube - you can run
> CQ100. No QRM, QRN, or fade-outs. You also can send pictures
> (cartoons, scans, etc.) to those you are in QSO with.
>
> I use HF and CQ100 on a daily basis. It is for communications (nets,
> rag chewing, camaraderie, etc.) - and does a fine job. It is not for
> contesting. I even operate on one net in the northeast that starts out
> on 75 meters, then goes to CQ100 to include some folks down south that
> no longer have HF capabilities.
>
> Yeah I know - you don't like it because it isn't real radio. OK - then
> go back to your ceramic class and sing-alongs.
>
> For the rest of you, looking to enjoy ham radio when you no longer can
> have a real station: http://www.qsonet.com/index.html
>
> CQ100 is a subscription based system, and, for me, the cheapest ham
> fun I ever bought.
>
> I get nothing for speaking well about CQ100 - I just happen to believe
> in it and its potential.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
>
>
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Gary Gregory-2

Re: K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living

Bill,

While the Nay Sayers will never agree, the old adage something is better than nothing certainly applies here.

Well done for stating to those of us facing mortality, the obvious.

Just my highly devalued Aussie two Cents worth.

If the Aussie dollar falls much further below the Greenback, us Down Under folks will need either a bailout or a rubber duckie to stay afloat....just sayin :-)

Gary

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living

While I understand the problem with installing antennas, this sounds to
me like nothing more than a specialized type of Skype/VoIP where you use
your radio as a hardware interface.

Interesting yes, but this is not ham radio.

On 10/13/2015 5:44 AM, Bill wrote:

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Deni F5VJC

Re: K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living

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Why not add simulated QRM, QRN, QSB, COPS, LID's etc?
Much more fun...

73, Deni - F5VJC

On 13 October 2015 at 12:44, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have a bunch of ham friends that no longer have antennas (HOA,
> apartments, assisted living, etc.) and we communicate nearly every day
> using CQ100.
>
> CQ100 is a looks like , works like, licensed required, ham communications
> VOIP system. It does not need super fast Internet connection. If you can
> run a browser and watch YouTube - you can run CQ100. No QRM, QRN, or
> fade-outs. You also can send pictures (cartoons, scans, etc.) to those you
> are in QSO with.
>
> I use HF and CQ100 on a daily basis. It is for communications (nets, rag
> chewing, camaraderie, etc.) - and does a fine job. It is not for
> contesting. I even operate on one net in the northeast that starts out on
> 75 meters, then goes to CQ100 to include some folks down south that no
> longer have HF capabilities.
>
> Yeah I know - you don't like it because it isn't real radio. OK - then go
> back to your ceramic class and sing-alongs.
>
> For the rest of you, looking to enjoy ham radio when you no longer can
> have a real station: http://www.qsonet.com/index.html
>
> CQ100 is a subscription based system, and, for me, the cheapest ham fun I
> ever bought.
>
> I get nothing for speaking well about CQ100 - I just happen to believe in
> it and its potential.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
>
>
>
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Gerry Hull

Re: K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living

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Hi David,

It's upload bandwidth that is important. 800 KB/sec (0.8 Mbps) is perfect
for RemoteRig. I use it at K2LE/1 in Vermont, where we have 1.5/.8 DSL
service.

I've operated a M/2 contest station over a 4G LTE cellular modem... so
it's not as much as you would think.

Latency is a factor. Jitter is the bigger killer. I've had many fine QSOs
in contests wth >200mS of latency, but if jitter gets much over 20 or 30mS,
it chops things up pretty badly.
Of course, the more latency, the slower the audio catches up with you
tuning the VFO.

In the Continental US, I see 50-150mS of latency on average, which is
perfect for RemoteRig and K3 work.

73, Gerry W1VE
Remote Op at K2LE/1, VY1JA/VY1AAA, K1TTT, K6ND, VE4EA and others.

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On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:24 PM, David Christ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> So how much bandwidth is needed? The complex we are looking at has a 40
> Meg fiber connection to their ISP. Would think that latency would be a
> bigger concern
>
> David K0LUM
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Dennis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > Having done this for several ops, the biggest issue I've faced is
> inadequate Internet at the Assisted
> > Living, Out Patient Care, or Elder care. In 3 cases where I've been
> involved in setting one of these
> > up so an op could work a special DXpedition, the Broadband provided for
> the residents did not
> > have enough bandwidth to support the usage of a Remote Rig unit.
>
>
>
>
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