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K3 S9 calibration?

Phil Salas
I see in the Yahoo K3 User's Group that Bob Sherwood just discussed filter
performance with the K3 he has been testing.  He commented that S9 at 50uV
is with the preamp off.  According to my manual, you should cal S9 at 50uV
with the preamp on.  I cal'd as stated in the manual, but I wonder if this
is really the right way to do this.  Comments?

Phil - AD5X

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Re: K3 S9 calibration?

Don Wilhelm-4
Phil,

There is no right or wrong way to do it - S-meter readings are arbitrary
given the S-meter response set into a variety of 'competitors'
transceivers .  Take your pick and realize the consequences of your
actions.  If you calibrate it with the preamp off ( which is what I
would suggest on 40 meters), then the S-meter will be a bit more
'lively' with the preamp on.  This choice is merely a matter of
reference.  Bob Sherwood chose to set it with the preamp off, but you
may like it better with the preamp on - the choice is yours - just
remember which way you did it so you can interpret your S-meter readings
appropriately.

73,
Don W3FPR

Phil & Debbie Salas wrote:
> I see in the Yahoo K3 User's Group that Bob Sherwood just discussed
> filter performance with the K3 he has been testing.  He commented that
> S9 at 50uV is with the preamp off.  According to my manual, you should
> cal S9 at 50uV with the preamp on.  I cal'd as stated in the manual,
> but I wonder if this is really the right way to do this.  Comments?
>
> Phil - AD5X
>
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Re: K3 S9 calibration?

Bill W4ZV
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Phil & Debbie Salas wrote
I see in the Yahoo K3 User's Group that Bob Sherwood just discussed filter
performance with the K3 he has been testing.  He commented that S9 at 50uV
is with the preamp off.  According to my manual, you should cal S9 at 50uV
with the preamp on.  I cal'd as stated in the manual, but I wonder if this
is really the right way to do this.  Comments?
You can calibrate it either way.  If you normally operate with preamp off as Rob does then calibrating it with premap off makes sense.  If you normally operate with preamp on then follow the manual.

73,  Bill  W4ZV
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RE: K3 S9 calibration?

Joe Subich, W4TV-3

To ask the obvious question ... since the S-meter is derived
from the DSP and the DSP/controller should know if the preamp is
on or off, why are there not two sets of calibrations so 50 uV
at the antenna input is S9 whether the preamp is on or off?  

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 

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> Phil & Debbie Salas wrote:
> >
> > I see in the Yahoo K3 User's Group that Bob Sherwood just
> > discussed  filter performance with the K3 he has been
> > testing.  He commented that S9 at 50uV is with the preamp
> > off.  According to my manual, you should cal S9 at 50uV
> > with the preamp on.  I cal'd as stated in the manual, but
> > I wonder if this is really the right way to do this.  
> > Comments?
> >
> >
>
> You can calibrate it either way.  If you normally operate
> with preamp off as Rob does then calibrating it with premap
> off makes sense.  If you normally operate with preamp on then
> follow the manual.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
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Re: K3 S9 calibration?

Vic K2VCO
Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> To ask the obvious question ... since the S-meter is derived
> from the DSP and the DSP/controller should know if the preamp is
> on or off, why are there not two sets of calibrations so 50 uV
> at the antenna input is S9 whether the preamp is on or off?  

This was discussed among field testers. Some of them (me included)
wanted the s-meter setting to be independent of preamp setting, but
apparently the arguments that "people will think the preamp doesn't
work" and "other radios don't do this" were more persuasive.

I suspect (but don't know for sure) that it would be possible to change
this in firmware and maybe someday there will be an option to allow it
to work this way.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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K3 S9 calibration?

Phil Salas
In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
"To ask the obvious question ... since the S-meter is derived
from the DSP and the DSP/controller should know if the preamp is
on or off, why are there not two sets of calibrations so 50 uV
at the antenna input is S9 whether the preamp is on or off?  73, Joe, W4TV "

According to Rob Sherwood, this is exactly what is done in the TenTec Omni
VII.
Phil - AD5X

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