K3 Shipment to Dubai

[Ruchan Ozatay]

Hi everybody!

 

I am in the second run. If I ask Elecraft to send my K3 to my friend in Dubai who lives there, to pick it up from him later on, can he get it into Dubai without any trouble?

 

Customs duties are zero in Dubai, but I don't know is there any restriction to get radio transmitters kits there.



I want to do this to avoid from very high customs duties and also import formalities difficulties (K3 did not has any CE marking yet), which we have in our country; K3 is not a cheap instrument. Since I travel often for business purposes, the easiest way for me is to take it with me on my return to the country.

 

I will be in New York, NY at the last week of this mount, but unfortunately this is to early to get it in that time since it is in the second group of shipments.

 

Any information would be appreciated.

 

Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH

Istanbul, Turkey
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[dj7mgq]

Hi Eric,

Ruchan Ozatay wrote:

> K3 did not has any CE marking yet

If I remember correctly you were preparing things for the CE
certification way back in April/May.

Could you let our side of the pond know what the status of the CE
marking for the K3 is? Maybe in your next status update?

Thank you es vy 73 de toby
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[Julian, G4ILO]

Would any delay in this affect the shipment of kits?

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On 10/3/07, Toby Deinhardt <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Could you let our side of the pond know what the status of the CE
> marking for the K3 is? Maybe in your next status update?
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[Julian, G4ILO]

That's what I'm hoping, Lexa.

Actually I don't see any reason for CE marks at all. It's just an
obstacle put in place by EU bureaucrats to help keep them in a job and
make things over here more expensive. I don't know what it was
supposed to achieve but it doesn't seem to have made a difference to
EMC - and I have the QRN levels to prove it!

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On 10/4/07, Alexandr Kobranov <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Julian,
> I do not think there is any reason for any CE marks on kits.
> So no reason for any delay.... (or not related to CE if any...)
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[David Cutter]

Strictly speaking, the CE mark was originally intended to ensure the "free movement of goods" throughout Eu, so that, for instance, one country in the Eu could not prevent goods from being sold from another country because they did not meet certain criteria, eg emc, wheel size, fog horn frequency, you name it.   The upshot is that we have and are gaining a large number of common standards within the Eu to which we all work and these will/are being incorporated into each country's legal system, replacing, for instance British Standards, DIN standards etc.  There are hundreds of standards in each country to be replaced, so it is a big job to get each country to agree to a common standard, but a lot has been done, particularly on emc, safety and the like.  

The CE mark only applies to products not to modules for a kit.  

The CE mark denotes that the "product" complies to "all relevant legislation" for that product, it is not in itself a qualification.  All products offerred for sale in the Eu must carry a CE mark and that applies to amateur radio as much as any other, but not kits because it is not yet a product.

David
G3UNA

>
> From: "Julian G4ILO" <[hidden email]>
> Date: 2007/10/04 Thu AM 09:12:13 BST
> To: elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: K3 CE Marking (was Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shipment to Dubai)
>
> That's what I'm hoping, Lexa.
>
> Actually I don't see any reason for CE marks at all. It's just an
> obstacle put in place by EU bureaucrats to help keep them in a job and
> make things over here more expensive. I don't know what it was
> supposed to achieve but it doesn't seem to have made a difference to
> EMC - and I have the QRN levels to prove it!
>
> --
> Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
> G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
> Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com
>
>
> On 10/4/07, Alexandr Kobranov <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Julian,
> > I do not think there is any reason for any CE marks on kits.
> > So no reason for any delay.... (or not related to CE if any...)
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[dj7mgq]

Hallo Julian & co.,

> supposed to achieve but it doesn't seem to have made a difference to
> EMC - and I have the QRN levels to prove it!

As far as EMC is concerned CE markings don't really seem to help, but in other
areas such as safety or use of toxic materials, one would hope that they do. The
real problem is enforcement of the required standards, because the CE marking is
self-certification by the producer/importer and not the result of independent
(and ongoing) testing.

vy 73 de toby
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[Stewart Baker]

The CE mark also applies to products coming into the EU from elsewhere in the
world. e.g. Switched Mode PSU's from China, although the amount of EMC generated
by them might lead one to believe otherwise !

Putting a CE label on a product is easy, enforcement of standards is not.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
Member RSGB EMC Committee

On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:31:18 +0100, [hidden email] wrote:

> Strictly speaking, the CE mark was originally intended to ensure the "free
> movement of goods" throughout Eu, so that, for instance, one country in the
> Eu could not prevent goods from being sold from another country because they
> did not meet certain criteria, eg emc, wheel size, fog horn frequency, you
> name it.   The upshot is that we have and are gaining a large number of
> common standards within the Eu to which we all work and these will/are being
> incorporated into each country's legal system, replacing, for instance
> British Standards, DIN standards etc.  There are hundreds of standards in
> each country to be replaced, so it is a big job to get each country to agree
> to a common standard, but a lot has been done, particularly on emc, safety
> and the like.
>
> The CE mark only applies to products not to modules for a kit.
>
> The CE mark denotes that the "product" complies to "all relevant legislation"
> for that product, it is not in itself a qualification.  All products offerred
> for sale in the Eu must carry a CE mark and that applies to amateur radio as
> much as any other, but not kits because it is not yet a product.
>
> David
> G3UNA
>
>>
>> From: "Julian G4ILO" <[hidden email]>
>> Date: 2007/10/04 Thu AM 09:12:13 BST
>> To: elecraft <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: K3 CE Marking (was Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shipment to Dubai)
>>
>> That's what I'm hoping, Lexa.
>>
>> Actually I don't see any reason for CE marks at all. It's just an
>> obstacle put in place by EU bureaucrats to help keep them in a job and
>> make things over here more expensive. I don't know what it was
>> supposed to achieve but it doesn't seem to have made a difference to
>> EMC - and I have the QRN levels to prove it!
>>
>> --
>> Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
>> G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
>> Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/07, Alexandr Kobranov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Julian,
>>> I do not think there is any reason for any CE marks on kits.
>>> So no reason for any delay.... (or not related to CE if any...)
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[Julian, G4ILO]

In the last couple of weeks I received an MFJ product from the well
known main importer in the UK. I just checked - there is no trace of
CE marking anywhere on it. A few years ago I bought another MFJ
product from the same dealer, and it came with a CE label torn off
from a reel. I had to peel off the backing paper and stick it on
myself!

Clearly there is no reason to delay the shipment of K3 kits to EU
buyers because of CE certification issues, but it would be nice to
have official confirmation from Elecraft that they won't be delayed.
Whether fully built radios should be delayed for the same reason is
another matter, but it would seem that in the UK at least, nobody
could care less!
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On 10/4/07, Stewart Baker <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The CE mark also applies to products coming into the EU from elsewhere in the
> world. e.g. Switched Mode PSU's from China, although the amount of EMC generated
> by them might lead one to believe otherwise !
>
> Putting a CE label on a product is easy, enforcement of standards is not.
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[dj7mgq]

Hallo Julian

> In the last couple of weeks I received an MFJ product from the well
> known main importer in the UK. I just checked - there is no trace of
> CE marking anywhere on it.

AFAIK, your well known dealer is in all likelihood breaking the law by importing
and selling equipment within the European Union without the CE marking. Kits
seem to be exempt, but as I am not a lawyer, ymmv.

vy 73 de toby
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[David Cutter]

It's up to the "responsible vendor" to assure compliance.  In this case it is the importer.  Tut, someone not doing their job properly (due diligence).  It's not a big issue for most of our stuff, but when safety is an issue, toys, crash helmets, etc it can be critical.

David
G3UNA

>
> From: "Julian G4ILO" <[hidden email]>
> Date: 2007/10/04 Thu AM 11:35:27 BST
> To: elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: Re: K3 CE Marking (was Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shipment to Dubai)
>
> In the last couple of weeks I received an MFJ product from the well
> known main importer in the UK. I just checked - there is no trace of
> CE marking anywhere on it. A few years ago I bought another MFJ
> product from the same dealer, and it came with a CE label torn off
> from a reel. I had to peel off the backing paper and stick it on
> myself!
>
> Clearly there is no reason to delay the shipment of K3 kits to EU
> buyers because of CE certification issues, but it would be nice to
> have official confirmation from Elecraft that they won't be delayed.
> Whether fully built radios should be delayed for the same reason is
> another matter, but it would seem that in the UK at least, nobody
> could care less!
> --
> Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
> G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
> Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com
>
>
> On 10/4/07, Stewart Baker <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > The CE mark also applies to products coming into the EU from elsewhere in the
> > world. e.g. Switched Mode PSU's from China, although the amount of EMC generated
> > by them might lead one to believe otherwise !
> >
> > Putting a CE label on a product is easy, enforcement of standards is not.
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