K3 Sidetone

[Lou Kolb]

Susan,

I'm surprised you find the CW mode so noisy.  I find that one of the best
things about the DSP in CW mode is that the more you narrow it, the more the
noise disappears.  If the signal is strong enough, I can get rid of the
noise completely.  Lou WA3MIX
----- Original Message -----
From: "ussv dharma" <[hidden email]>
To: "W5UXH" <[hidden email]>; "Guy Olinger K2AV"
<[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Sidetone


Guy....dont complain, I have to use usb to copy cw as the cw mode is
entirely too noisy.

susan

If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!!
Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm AFA9SM USSV DHARMA


--- On Fri, 9/17/10, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Sidetone
> To: "W5UXH" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 8:17 AM
> Yes, it has been debated.
> But....
>
> I've gotten used to CW REV for audio higher = frequency
> higher. I *CAN* set
> the radio so audio freq higher = RF frequency higher on
> CW. I have gotten
> used to making sure that logging programs reset to CW REV,
> not CW, so I
> don't constantly have to hit MODE ALT during a contest to
> return to audio
> freq higher = RF freq higher. And YES I DO sometimes
> flip to CW, open up
> the bandwidth and scan higher frequency to lower frequency
> so that new stuff
> rolls in higher to lower audio, just to get away from the
> crowd that is
> scanning low to high frequency using their CW USB.
> And yes, I still think
> CW USB and CW LSB is a better label, and USB is really
> "normal", and no, it
> doesn't mean a thing to me that the K2 has a USB/LSB that
> flips on high
> bands and IT has REV. A K2 is a K2, which is a
> wonderful compactness and
> function with minimal parts. After all it only has15
> buttons. How much can
> one expect...
>
>  But I've gotten used to all the CW REV stuff.
>
> But I've never gotten used to the K3's clunky, "stop
> everything in a contest
> and guess the right sidetone level while the RX audio is
> cut off" sidetone
> adjustment. It STILL bothers me and I have not found a way
> around it.
> Actually it bothers me more now because so much other stuff
> has been fixed,
> added, adjusted so neatly.
>
> I've never gotten used to it, and I really don't think
> Elecraft has this one
> right. I'm not sure how to implement it, but I need
> to be able to adjust
> the level while I'm transmitting, while sending CW, and I
> need to do both
> MON and PITCH without turning off RX, and it really is a
> by-band adjustment.
> I think an option CW MON ADJ:TX ONLY to go with CW MON
> ADJ:NOR would do it.
> Currently hitting MON in TX **cuts off the RX
> audio**. That makes it
> useless during a contest, because I have to find a space of
> time when I'm
> not RX OR TX. Which means the current setup is
> strictly
> set-it-in-advance-and-live-with-it. I don't care
> whether "NOR" is something
> I can't use. It's like CW REV. This MON adjustment
> clunker on the
> irritating scale is more like CW with no way to do CW REV.
>
> If one wanted to get crazy, you could just switch how it
> works based upon
> whether the rig is in CW and has transmitted in the last
> second.
>
> Can we please get this one on the list? Every time I
> have to come to a
> complete halt to adjust sidetone level, its just like the
> faucet dripping in
> the sink at night.
>
> I think that the reason it is done this way and no joy yet,
> is because Wayne
> is using code wrapped around the PITCH function code to do
> both that and
> MON, and will have to code the blend to make it happen like
> an analog radio,
> one of these simple-to-say-dickens-to-code things.
>
> 73, Guy.
>
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, W5UXH <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I just had my first qso with a K3 and Steve's point
> was one of the very
> > first
> > things that jumped out at me. I would like to be
> able to adjust the
> > sidetone level easily while in qso. I could
> probably get used to the
> > push/hold step if the tone was only present when I
> key, but having the
> > steady tone will probably drive me crazy along with
> Steve. Identifying the
> > "best" level for given band conditions (full qsk of
> course) is best done
> > while sending. With lots of band noise, I need a
> higher level of sidetone
> > but with quiet condx, I tend to want a lower
> level. It would be nice if I
> > could magically remove the compression function and
> replace it with
> > sidetone
> > level (but no tone if key up). I would then
> leave that knob set to the
> > "sidetone level" state except when I need to change
> power.
> >
> > Chuck, W5UXH
> >
> >
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