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GW0ETF

[K3] Toggle macros

Apologies if this is 'yesterday's news'.......

When I'm S&Ping in a contest with the 2nd receiver in the right ear (A-AB) I like to be able to switch quickly to sub in both ears (AB-AB); often it makes it easier to copy a weaker signal.

I've been doing this with 2 macros to switch the L-MIX-R menu item, one allocated to M4 TAP and the other to M4 HOLD. After reading the recent posts on the K3 Triple Macro ('self modifying code') for cycling power levels I realised I should be able to set up the audio mixing macro on just one button as a true toggle switch, and the following 2 macros both allocated to M4 TAP does just that and now releases the M4 HOLD for another macro.

MACRO 5 AB AB MN111;MP003;MN110;SWT29;SWT39;SWT14;
MACRO 6 A AB MN111;MP001;MN110;SWT27;SWT39;SWT14;

Thanks to whoever thought of all this, it's pretty neat. The first 2 fields (MN111;MP003;etc) switch the L-MIX-R and were originally allocated to tap and hold separately; the other fields reset the macro as in the 'Triple Macro' examples.

As an aside, it would be great to be able to comment the macros (in K3 Utility?) especially when they're a bit involved like this; I've not found this is possible. Presumably this won't work unless the 'comments' are stored in the K3's EEPROM....with the inevitable space issues?

73,

Stewart, GW0ETF

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: [K3] Toggle macros

Given the usability of these "multi state macros" it would be valuable
if Wayne would extend the number of macro slots that can be assigned
to K3 switches. In effect each of these "toggle" or "tri-state" macros
is two or three individual macros that remap the key on each step -
with at least 10 assignable keys (M1-M4 tap, M1-M4 hold, PF1, PF2)
if each key were used for a multi-state application the number of
required macro slots could easily exceed 20 if each key were used
for a toggle function.

If one does not use DVK/CW/FSK memories, the number of available keys
(10) already exceeds the number of assignable macro slots (8).

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/11/2012 8:17 AM, GW0ETF wrote:

> Apologies if this is 'yesterday's news'.......
>
> When I'm S&Ping in a contest with the 2nd receiver in the right ear (A-AB) I
> like to be able to switch quickly to sub in both ears (AB-AB); often it
> makes it easier to copy a weaker signal.
>
> I've been doing this with 2 macros to switch the L-MIX-R menu item, one
> allocated to M4 TAP and the other to M4 HOLD. After reading the recent posts
> on the K3 Triple Macro ('self modifying code') for cycling power levels I
> realised I should be able to set up the audio mixing macro on just one
> button as a true toggle switch, and the following 2 macros both allocated to
> M4 TAP does just that and now releases the M4 HOLD for another macro.
>
> MACRO 5 AB AB MN111;MP003;MN110;SWT29;SWT39;SWT14;
> MACRO 6 A AB MN111;MP001;MN110;SWT27;SWT39;SWT14;
>
> Thanks to whoever thought of all this, it's pretty neat. The first 2 fields
> (MN111;MP003;etc) switch the L-MIX-R and were originally allocated to tap
> and hold separately; the other fields reset the macro as in the 'Triple
> Macro' examples.
>
> As an aside, it would be great to be able to comment the macros (in K3
> Utility?) especially when they're a bit involved like this; I've not found
> this is possible. Presumably this won't work unless the 'comments' are
> stored in the K3's EEPROM....with the inevitable space issues?
>
> 73,
>
> Stewart, GW0ETF
>
>
>
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Jim N7US

Re: [K3] Toggle macros

In reply to this post by GW0ETF

I agree it's very cool to be able to program a toggle macro. I just wanted
to mention that the same can be accomplished in DXLab's Commander rig
control module, with which you can have either eight or sixteen
"user-defined controls."

I have two that each switch between a mic on the front panel jack and one on
the rear and also select the desired VOX gain, mic gain, compression, TX EQ,
and set the gain at high or low. Another switches between two power levels,
and others turn on/off speakers, audio mute, VOX, and spot. They use color
"LEDs" to indicate the state.

The user-defined controls are in the files folder of the DXLab Yahoo
reflector,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlab/files/Command%20Sequences%20%26%20Slider
s/Elecraft/ .

Commander's UDCs have the ability to have a comment line for each line of
the macro, as Stewart described below.

73, Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----

Apologies if this is 'yesterday's news'.......

When I'm S&Ping in a contest with the 2nd receiver in the right ear (A-AB) I
like to be able to switch quickly to sub in both ears (AB-AB); often it
makes it easier to copy a weaker signal.

I've been doing this with 2 macros to switch the L-MIX-R menu item, one
allocated to M4 TAP and the other to M4 HOLD. After reading the recent posts
on the K3 Triple Macro ('self modifying code') for cycling power levels I
realised I should be able to set up the audio mixing macro on just one
button as a true toggle switch, and the following 2 macros both allocated to
M4 TAP does just that and now releases the M4 HOLD for another macro.

MACRO 5 AB AB MN111;MP003;MN110;SWT29;SWT39;SWT14;
MACRO 6 A AB MN111;MP001;MN110;SWT27;SWT39;SWT14;

Thanks to whoever thought of all this, it's pretty neat. The first 2 fields
(MN111;MP003;etc) switch the L-MIX-R and were originally allocated to tap
and hold separately; the other fields reset the macro as in the 'Triple
Macro' examples.

As an aside, it would be great to be able to comment the macros (in K3
Utility?) especially when they're a bit involved like this; I've not found
this is possible. Presumably this won't work unless the 'comments' are
stored in the K3's EEPROM....with the inevitable space issues?

73,

Stewart, GW0ETF

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Rick Prather-2

Re: [K3] Toggle macros

I'd also like to mention that for Mac users DL2RUM's RUMLog also has K3 Macro support.

In the K3 control panel there is space for 12 Macros.

Now that I think about it I will have to try some of these "triple macros" in a couple of the slots I have left over.

Rick
K6LE

On 7/11/2012, at 8:31 , Jim N7US <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I agree it's very cool to be able to program a toggle macro. I just wanted
> to mention that the same can be accomplished in DXLab's Commander rig
> control module, with which you can have either eight or sixteen
> "user-defined controls."
>
> I have two that each switch between a mic on the front panel jack and one on
> the rear and also select the desired VOX gain, mic gain, compression, TX EQ,
> and set the gain at high or low. Another switches between two power levels,
> and others turn on/off speakers, audio mute, VOX, and spot. They use color
> "LEDs" to indicate the state.
>
> The user-defined controls are in the files folder of the DXLab Yahoo
> reflector,
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlab/files/Command%20Sequences%20%26%20Slider
> s/Elecraft/ .
>
> Commander's UDCs have the ability to have a comment line for each line of
> the macro, as Stewart described below.
>
> 73, Jim N7US

K2GN

Re: [K3] Toggle macros

This thread is one of the best threads I've seen in a long on the reflector.
Thanks to whoever started it and to those that commented.
It's got a lot of wheels turning on things to do with macros and the K3.
Larry/K2GN - http://k2gn.com

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k1htv

Re: [K3] Toggle macros

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Joe,
Yes, more macro slots would be helpful. It would be great to be able to
transfer not only Macros 1-8 in the K3 Utility, but also Macros 9-16, which
presently can NOT be sent to the K3.

But, once the macros are assigned from the present 8 K3 memories to specific
keys in the K3, there is not reason why these memories can not be written over
for the next batch of 8 different macros to be assigned as multiple macros to
other 1-8 or PF keys.

73,
Rich - K1HTV

= = =

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 14:13
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Toggle macros

Given the usability of these "multi state macros" it would be valuable if Wayne
would extend the number of macro slots that can be assigned to K3 switches. In
effect each of these "toggle" or "tri-state" macros is two or three individual
macros that remap the key on each step - with at least 10 assignable keys (M1-M4
tap, M1-M4 hold, PF1, PF2) if each key were used for a multi-state application
the number of required macro slots could easily exceed 20 if each key were used
for a toggle function.

If one does not use DVK/CW/FSK memories, the number of available keys
(10) already exceeds the number of assignable macro slots (8).

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/11/2012 8:17 AM, GW0ETF wrote:

> Apologies if this is 'yesterday's news'.......
>
> When I'm S&Ping in a contest with the 2nd receiver in the right ear
> (A-AB) I like to be able to switch quickly to sub in both ears
> (AB-AB); often it makes it easier to copy a weaker signal.
>
> I've been doing this with 2 macros to switch the L-MIX-R menu item,
> one allocated to M4 TAP and the other to M4 HOLD. After reading the
> recent posts on the K3 Triple Macro ('self modifying code') for
> cycling power levels I realised I should be able to set up the audio
> mixing macro on just one button as a true toggle switch, and the
> following 2 macros both allocated to
> M4 TAP does just that and now releases the M4 HOLD for another macro.
>
> MACRO 5 AB AB MN111;MP003;MN110;SWT29;SWT39;SWT14;
> MACRO 6 A AB MN111;MP001;MN110;SWT27;SWT39;SWT14;
>
> Thanks to whoever thought of all this, it's pretty neat. The first 2
> fields
> (MN111;MP003;etc) switch the L-MIX-R and were originally allocated to
> tap and hold separately; the other fields reset the macro as in the
> 'Triple Macro' examples.
>
> As an aside, it would be great to be able to comment the macros (in K3
> Utility?) especially when they're a bit involved like this; I've not
> found this is possible. Presumably this won't work unless the
> 'comments' are stored in the K3's EEPROM....with the inevitable space issues?
>
> 73,
>
> Stewart, GW0ETF
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: [K3] Toggle macros

Rich,

> But, once the macros are assigned from the present 8 K3 memories to
> specific keys in the K3, there is not reason why these memories can
> not be written over for the next batch of 8 different macros to be
> assigned as multiple macros to other 1-8 or PF keys.

There's the rub ... if you load new values to Macro 1 - Macro 8 your
multi-state macro *will no longer work correctly*. The multi-state
macros work by *assigning new values* to the key every time you press
it. If you change the contents of Macro 1 - Macro 8 the new value
of Macro 'n' will be assigned to the key - not what is expected by the
multi-state macro.
73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/11/2012 2:47 PM, Rich - K1HTV wrote:

> Joe,
> Yes, more macro slots would be helpful. It would be great to be able to
> transfer not only Macros 1-8 in the K3 Utility, but also Macros 9-16, which
> presently can NOT be sent to the K3.
>
> But, once the macros are assigned from the present 8 K3 memories to specific
> keys in the K3, there is not reason why these memories can not be written over
> for the next batch of 8 different macros to be assigned as multiple macros to
> other 1-8 or PF keys.
>
> 73,
> Rich - K1HTV
>
> = = =
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 14:13
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Toggle macros
>
>
> Given the usability of these "multi state macros" it would be valuable if Wayne
> would extend the number of macro slots that can be assigned to K3 switches. In
> effect each of these "toggle" or "tri-state" macros is two or three individual
> macros that remap the key on each step - with at least 10 assignable keys (M1-M4
> tap, M1-M4 hold, PF1, PF2) if each key were used for a multi-state application
> the number of required macro slots could easily exceed 20 if each key were used
> for a toggle function.
>
> If one does not use DVK/CW/FSK memories, the number of available keys
> (10) already exceeds the number of assignable macro slots (8).
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
> On 7/11/2012 8:17 AM, GW0ETF wrote:
>> Apologies if this is 'yesterday's news'.......
>>
>> When I'm S&Ping in a contest with the 2nd receiver in the right ear
>> (A-AB) I like to be able to switch quickly to sub in both ears
>> (AB-AB); often it makes it easier to copy a weaker signal.
>>
>> I've been doing this with 2 macros to switch the L-MIX-R menu item,
>> one allocated to M4 TAP and the other to M4 HOLD. After reading the
>> recent posts on the K3 Triple Macro ('self modifying code') for
>> cycling power levels I realised I should be able to set up the audio
>> mixing macro on just one button as a true toggle switch, and the
>> following 2 macros both allocated to
>> M4 TAP does just that and now releases the M4 HOLD for another macro.
>>
>> MACRO 5 AB AB MN111;MP003;MN110;SWT29;SWT39;SWT14;
>> MACRO 6 A AB MN111;MP001;MN110;SWT27;SWT39;SWT14;
>>
>> Thanks to whoever thought of all this, it's pretty neat. The first 2
>> fields
>> (MN111;MP003;etc) switch the L-MIX-R and were originally allocated to
>> tap and hold separately; the other fields reset the macro as in the
>> 'Triple Macro' examples.
>>
>> As an aside, it would be great to be able to comment the macros (in K3
>> Utility?) especially when they're a bit involved like this; I've not
>> found this is possible. Presumably this won't work unless the
>> 'comments' are stored in the K3's EEPROM....with the inevitable space issues?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Stewart, GW0ETF
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Toggle-macros-tp7558974.html
>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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mzilmer

Re: [K3] Toggle macros

Oh Gawd, doubly indirect self-modifying code.....

Matt Zilmer
Consultant - Product Management Dept.
Magellan Navigation / MiTAC Digital Corp.
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Cell: (909) 730-6552
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:15 PM
To: Rich - K1HTV
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Toggle macros

Rich,

> But, once the macros are assigned from the present 8 K3 memories to
> specific keys in the K3, there is not reason why these memories can
> not be written over for the next batch of 8 different macros to be
> assigned as multiple macros to other 1-8 or PF keys.

There's the rub ... if you load new values to Macro 1 - Macro 8 your multi-state macro *will no longer work correctly*. The multi-state macros work by *assigning new values* to the key every time you press it. If you change the contents of Macro 1 - Macro 8 the new value of Macro 'n' will be assigned to the key - not what is expected by the multi-state macro.
73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/11/2012 2:47 PM, Rich - K1HTV wrote:

> Joe,
> Yes, more macro slots would be helpful. It would be great to be
> able to transfer not only Macros 1-8 in the K3 Utility, but also
> Macros 9-16, which presently can NOT be sent to the K3.
>
> But, once the macros are assigned from the present 8 K3 memories to
> specific keys in the K3, there is not reason why these memories can
> not be written over for the next batch of 8 different macros to be
> assigned as multiple macros to other 1-8 or PF keys.
>
> 73,
> Rich - K1HTV
>
> = = =
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 14:13
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Toggle macros
>
>
> Given the usability of these "multi state macros" it would be valuable
> if Wayne would extend the number of macro slots that can be assigned
> to K3 switches. In effect each of these "toggle" or "tri-state"
> macros is two or three individual macros that remap the key on each
> step - with at least 10 assignable keys (M1-M4 tap, M1-M4 hold, PF1,
> PF2) if each key were used for a multi-state application the number of
> required macro slots could easily exceed 20 if each key were used for a toggle function.
>
> If one does not use DVK/CW/FSK memories, the number of available keys
> (10) already exceeds the number of assignable macro slots (8).
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
> On 7/11/2012 8:17 AM, GW0ETF wrote:
>> Apologies if this is 'yesterday's news'.......
>>
>> When I'm S&Ping in a contest with the 2nd receiver in the right ear
>> (A-AB) I like to be able to switch quickly to sub in both ears
>> (AB-AB); often it makes it easier to copy a weaker signal.
>>
>> I've been doing this with 2 macros to switch the L-MIX-R menu item,
>> one allocated to M4 TAP and the other to M4 HOLD. After reading the
>> recent posts on the K3 Triple Macro ('self modifying code') for
>> cycling power levels I realised I should be able to set up the audio
>> mixing macro on just one button as a true toggle switch, and the
>> following 2 macros both allocated to
>> M4 TAP does just that and now releases the M4 HOLD for another macro.
>>
>> MACRO 5 AB AB MN111;MP003;MN110;SWT29;SWT39;SWT14;
>> MACRO 6 A AB MN111;MP001;MN110;SWT27;SWT39;SWT14;
>>
>> Thanks to whoever thought of all this, it's pretty neat. The first 2
>> fields
>> (MN111;MP003;etc) switch the L-MIX-R and were originally allocated to
>> tap and hold separately; the other fields reset the macro as in the
>> 'Triple Macro' examples.
>>
>> As an aside, it would be great to be able to comment the macros (in
>> K3
>> Utility?) especially when they're a bit involved like this; I've not
>> found this is possible. Presumably this won't work unless the
>> 'comments' are stored in the K3's EEPROM....with the inevitable space issues?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Stewart, GW0ETF
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Toggle-macros-tp7558974.html
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>
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k6dgw

Re: [K3] Toggle macros

Now I remember why self-modifying code became very unpopular long ago. :-)

Fred K6DGW
On 7/11/2012 1:24 PM, Matthew Zilmer wrote:
> Oh Gawd, doubly indirect self-modifying code.....
>
> Matt Zilmer

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Guy, K2AV

Re: [K3] Toggle macros

Self-modifying code is like an idiot doing brain surgery on himself. Has
to be an EXTREMELY well trained idiot. 73, Guy.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Now I remember why self-modifying code became very unpopular long ago. :-)
>
> Fred K6DGW
> On 7/11/2012 1:24 PM, Matthew Zilmer wrote:
> > Oh Gawd, doubly indirect self-modifying code.....
> >
> > Matt Zilmer
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k1htv

Re: [K3] Toggle macros

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Joe,
Thanks for pointing that out...........duh. So the answer is, as you
suggested is to extend the number of macro slots. I wonder if that is simply a
software issue or if the K3 has a hardware restriction which would prohibit the
addition of macro slots. I guess that is why the Elecraft software brains in the
white lab coats get paid the big bucks :-).

73,
Rich - K1HTV

= = =

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 20:15
To: Rich - K1HTV
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Toggle macros

Rich,

> But, once the macros are assigned from the present 8 K3 memories to
> specific keys in the K3, there is not reason why these memories can
> not be written over for the next batch of 8 different macros to be
> assigned as multiple macros to other 1-8 or PF keys.

There's the rub ... if you load new values to Macro 1 - Macro 8 your
multi-state macro *will no longer work correctly*. The multi-state macros work
by *assigning new values* to the key every time you press it. If you change the
contents of Macro 1 - Macro 8 the new value of Macro 'n' will be assigned to the
key - not what is expected by the multi-state macro.
73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/11/2012 2:47 PM, Rich - K1HTV wrote:

function.

>
> If one does not use DVK/CW/FSK memories, the number of available keys
> (10) already exceeds the number of assignable macro slots (8).
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
> On 7/11/2012 8:17 AM, GW0ETF wrote:
>> Apologies if this is 'yesterday's news'.......
>>
>> When I'm S&Ping in a contest with the 2nd receiver in the right ear
>> (A-AB) I like to be able to switch quickly to sub in both ears
>> (AB-AB); often it makes it easier to copy a weaker signal.
>>
>> I've been doing this with 2 macros to switch the L-MIX-R menu item,
>> one allocated to M4 TAP and the other to M4 HOLD. After reading the
>> recent posts on the K3 Triple Macro ('self modifying code') for
>> cycling power levels I realised I should be able to set up the audio
>> mixing macro on just one button as a true toggle switch, and the
>> following 2 macros both allocated to
>> M4 TAP does just that and now releases the M4 HOLD for another macro.
>>
>> MACRO 5 AB AB MN111;MP003;MN110;SWT29;SWT39;SWT14;
>> MACRO 6 A AB MN111;MP001;MN110;SWT27;SWT39;SWT14;
>>
>> Thanks to whoever thought of all this, it's pretty neat. The first 2
>> fields
>> (MN111;MP003;etc) switch the L-MIX-R and were originally allocated to
>> tap and hold separately; the other fields reset the macro as in the
>> 'Triple Macro' examples.
>>
>> As an aside, it would be great to be able to comment the macros (in
>> K3
>> Utility?) especially when they're a bit involved like this; I've not
>> found this is possible. Presumably this won't work unless the
>> 'comments' are stored in the K3's EEPROM....with the inevitable space issues?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Stewart, GW0ETF
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