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Dick Dickinson

K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

Yesterday, I downloaded the new version of the K3 Utility program. In
trying to install it on my Windows 7 system, I get a message

Setup was unable to create the directory
"C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Local\Temp\is-6E...tmp."

Error 5: Access is denied.

The final (.tmp) file name varies each time I attempt it. The message comes
up as soon as the setup program is run.

I've not had this problem before with the K3 Utility Setup and suspect it is
related to settings in Windows 7...which I haven't changed in a while.
Attempting to execute older versions of the K3 Utility Setup currently usher
forth the same error message.

Feel free to contact me off list with comments.

73,
Dick -KA5KKT

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Doug Person

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

The solution for this is to right-click on the program and select "Run
as administrator". Windows 7 has tighter security than good old Windows
XP. The OS won't let just anybody create directories. Almost anytime
you run an install program it is wise to run it as Administrator.

73, Doug -- KØDXV

On 8/4/2010 11:45 AM, Edward Dickinson, III wrote:

> Yesterday, I downloaded the new version of the K3 Utility program. In
> trying to install it on my Windows 7 system, I get a message
>
> Setup was unable to create the directory
> "C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Local\Temp\is-6E...tmp."
>
> Error 5: Access is denied.
>
> The final (.tmp) file name varies each time I attempt it. The message comes
> up as soon as the setup program is run.
>
> I've not had this problem before with the K3 Utility Setup and suspect it is
> related to settings in Windows 7...which I haven't changed in a while.
> Attempting to execute older versions of the K3 Utility Setup currently usher
> forth the same error message.
>
> Feel free to contact me off list with comments.
>
>
> 73,
> Dick -KA5KKT
>
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Dick Dievendorff

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

Only the K3 setup program (the installer) needs to be run as an
administrator. Like many installation programs, the program files are
installed in the Program Files folder, which is shared across all users.

Once the K3 Utility is installed, administrative privileges are NOT required
to use the K3 Utility program.

Dick, K6KR

-----Original Message-----

> The solution for this is to right-click on the program and select "Run
as administrator". Windows 7 has tighter security than good old Windows
XP. The OS won't let just anybody create directories. Almost anytime
you run an install program it is wise to run it as Administrator.

On 8/4/2010 11:45 AM, Edward Dickinson, III wrote:
> Yesterday, I downloaded the new version of the K3 Utility program. In
> trying to install it on my Windows 7 system, I get a message
>
> Setup was unable to create the directory
> "C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Local\Temp\is-6E...tmp."
>
> Error 5: Access is denied.
>

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Dick Dickinson

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

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Hi Doug, and thanks.

Running the Setup program as Administrator does not help.

73,
Dick - KA5KKT
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The solution for this is to right-click on the program and select "Run
as administrator". Windows 7 has tighter security than good old Windows
XP. The OS won't let just anybody create directories. Almost anytime
you run an install program it is wise to run it as Administrator.

73, Doug -- KØDXV

On 8/4/2010 11:45 AM, Edward Dickinson, III wrote:
> Yesterday, I downloaded the new version of the K3 Utility program. In
> trying to install it on my Windows 7 system, I get a message
>
> Setup was unable to create the directory
> "C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Local\Temp\is-6E...tmp."
>
> Error 5: Access is denied.
>
> The final (.tmp) file name varies each time I attempt it. The message
comes
> up as soon as the setup program is run.
>
> I've not had this problem before with the K3 Utility Setup and suspect it
is
> related to settings in Windows 7...which I haven't changed in a while.
> Attempting to execute older versions of the K3 Utility Setup currently
usher
> forth the same error message.
>
> Feel free to contact me off list with comments.
>
>
> 73,
> Dick -KA5KKT

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Mike Reublin

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

Dick,

I just ran the install on my Win7 Home Premium box with no problems, and I did not
have to run as admin.

There is a permission problem. Try going to

"C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Local\Temp\" and see if it's marked "read only" or if Win7 prohibits you access. Try to copy something there.

That should normally be a writable directory. Win7 just REALLY doesn't want to have updatable files (ie a database or configuration file) under Program Files.

Mike NF4L

On 8/4/2010 2:33 PM, Edward Dickinson, III wrote:

> Hi Doug, and thanks.
>
> Running the Setup program as Administrator does not help.
>
>
> 73,
> Dick - KA5KKT
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
>
> The solution for this is to right-click on the program and select "Run
> as administrator". Windows 7 has tighter security than good old Windows
> XP. The OS won't let just anybody create directories. Almost anytime
> you run an install program it is wise to run it as Administrator.
>
> 73, Doug -- KØDXV
>
> On 8/4/2010 11:45 AM, Edward Dickinson, III wrote:
>> Yesterday, I downloaded the new version of the K3 Utility program. In
>> trying to install it on my Windows 7 system, I get a message
>>
>> Setup was unable to create the directory
>> "C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Local\Temp\is-6E...tmp."
>>
>> Error 5: Access is denied.
>>
>> The final (.tmp) file name varies each time I attempt it. The message
> comes
>> up as soon as the setup program is run.
>>
>> I've not had this problem before with the K3 Utility Setup and suspect it
> is
>> related to settings in Windows 7...which I haven't changed in a while.
>> Attempting to execute older versions of the K3 Utility Setup currently
> usher
>> forth the same error message.
>>
>> Feel free to contact me off list with comments.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Dick -KA5KKT
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Dick Dievendorff

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

My temp directory is also marked R/O and I can create files in there and setup builds a temp file in there without complaint. I don't quite understand what is going on...

Dick, K6KR

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Mike <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Dick,
>
> I just ran the install on my Win7 Home Premium box with no problems, and I did not
> have to run as admin.
>
> There is a permission problem. Try going to
>
> "C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Local\Temp\" and see if it's marked "read only" or if Win7 prohibits you access. Try to copy something there.
>
> That should normally be a writable directory. Win7 just REALLY doesn't want to have updatable files (ie a database or configuration file) under Program Files.
>
> Mike NF4L
>
>
>
> On 8/4/2010 2:33 PM, Edward Dickinson, III wrote:
>> Hi Doug, and thanks.
>>
>> Running the Setup program as Administrator does not help.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Dick - KA5KKT
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----------
>>
>> The solution for this is to right-click on the program and select "Run
>> as administrator". Windows 7 has tighter security than good old Windows
>> XP. The OS won't let just anybody create directories. Almost anytime
>> you run an install program it is wise to run it as Administrator.
>>
>> 73, Doug -- KØDXV
>>
>> On 8/4/2010 11:45 AM, Edward Dickinson, III wrote:
>>> Yesterday, I downloaded the new version of the K3 Utility program. In
>>> trying to install it on my Windows 7 system, I get a message
>>>
>>> Setup was unable to create the directory
>>> "C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Local\Temp\is-6E...tmp."
>>>
>>> Error 5: Access is denied.
>>>
>>> The final (.tmp) file name varies each time I attempt it. The message
>> comes
>>> up as soon as the setup program is run.
>>>
>>> I've not had this problem before with the K3 Utility Setup and suspect it
>> is
>>> related to settings in Windows 7...which I haven't changed in a while.
>>> Attempting to execute older versions of the K3 Utility Setup currently
>> usher
>>> forth the same error message.
>>>
>>> Feel free to contact me off list with comments.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dick -KA5KKT
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Mike Reublin

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

Hmmmmmm..... My directory comes up with RO also, and I can also write there. Thanks
Microsoft.......

I use InnoSetup for my installs, and it has a constant that will put writable files
in the proper directory, and I am pretty sure it unpacks the install (by default)
into temp. No problems with it so far on WIn7.

I'm puzzled.

Mike

On 8/4/2010 8:32 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

> My temp directory is also marked R/O and I can create files in there and setup builds a temp file in there without complaint. I don't quite understand what is going on...
>
> Dick, K6KR
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Mike<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Dick,
>>
>> I just ran the install on my Win7 Home Premium box with no problems, and I did not
>> have to run as admin.
>>
>> There is a permission problem. Try going to
>>
>> "C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Local\Temp\" and see if it's marked "read only" or if Win7 prohibits you access. Try to copy something there.
>>
>> That should normally be a writable directory. Win7 just REALLY doesn't want to have updatable files (ie a database or configuration file) under Program Files.
>>
>> Mike NF4L
>>
>>

Guy, K2AV

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

I believe that "trusted installer" can write in RO directories. Also
there are setting in the UAC (User Access Control) that modify these
behaviors.

73, Guy.

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Mike <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hmmmmmm..... My directory comes up with RO also, and I can also write there. Thanks
> Microsoft.......
>
> I use InnoSetup for my installs, and it has a constant that will put writable files
> in the proper directory, and I am pretty sure it unpacks the install (by default)
> into temp. No problems with it so far on WIn7.
>
> I'm puzzled.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On 8/4/2010 8:32 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>> My temp directory is also marked R/O and I can create files in there and setup builds a temp file in there without complaint. I don't quite understand what is going on...
>>
>> Dick, K6KR
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Mike<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Dick,
>>>
>>> I just ran the install on my Win7 Home Premium box with no problems, and I did not
>>> have to run as admin.
>>>
>>> There is a permission problem. Try going to
>>>
>>> "C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Local\Temp\" and see if it's marked "read only" or if Win7 prohibits you access. Try to copy something there.
>>>
>>> That should normally be a writable directory. Win7 just REALLY doesn't want to have updatable files (ie a database or configuration file) under Program Files.
>>>
>>> Mike NF4L
>>>
>>>
>
>
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Dick Dievendorff

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

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I'm using InnoSetup as well for the K3, P3, W2, and K144XV utilities. I've never heard of this problem before today. I've been using Windows 7 64-bit for a few months now, and I know I have a fair number of Windows 7 customers.

Dick

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:29 PM
To: Dick Dievendorff
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

Hmmmmmm..... My directory comes up with RO also, and I can also write there. Thanks
Microsoft.......

I use InnoSetup for my installs, and it has a constant that will put writable files
in the proper directory, and I am pretty sure it unpacks the install (by default)
into temp. No problems with it so far on WIn7.

I'm puzzled.

Mike

On 8/4/2010 8:32 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

ab2tc

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

In reply to this post by Mike Reublin

Hi,

I am using XP. When I view properties for *any* directory it shows Read Only although they are not. Maybe technically a directory (which is a file) is read only meaning that application software cannot write to them directly, only the OS can. That doesn't mean that applications cannot create and write files in that directory.

AB2TC - Knut

Mike-14-3 wrote

Hmmmmmm..... My directory comes up with RO also, and I can also write there. Thanks
Microsoft.......

I use InnoSetup for my installs, and it has a constant that will put writable files
in the proper directory, and I am pretty sure it unpacks the install (by default)
into temp. No problems with it so far on WIn7.

I'm puzzled.

Mike

<snip>

Mike Reublin

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

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A shot in the dark.
What anti-virus are you using? Try turning it off, and run the install.

Mike NF4L

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Dick Dickinson

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

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Hi Mike,

I'm using Microsoft Security Essentials.

However, this morning I opened an email from Dick Dievendorff asking 'What
happens if you attempt a direct install from the download source live (not
saved file)?' I attempted that and the K3 Utility seems to have installed
fine.

For what it's worth, last evening's K3 Memory Editor installed fine from an
adjacent parallel folder.

If I have the problem again, I'll try shutting down MSE. Thanks for the
suggestion.

73,
Dick - KA5KKT

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A shot in the dark.
What anti-virus are you using? Try turning it off, and run the install.

Mike NF4L

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Doug Person

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

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You're looking at the properties of the directory. Not the files in
the directory or other directories within the directory. Every object
has its own access rights properties. Rights may or may not be
inherited from the next level higher object. The Users directory is a
system directory. It would be disastrous to rename it. If you look at
a file in the directory with the same name as your userid, you will see
that it probably is not Read-Only.

Doug -- K0DXV

On 8/4/2010 9:29 PM, Mike wrote:

> Hmmmmmm..... My directory comes up with RO also, and I can also write there. Thanks
> Microsoft.......
>
> I use InnoSetup for my installs, and it has a constant that will put writable files
> in the proper directory, and I am pretty sure it unpacks the install (by default)
> into temp. No problems with it so far on WIn7.
>
> I'm puzzled.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On 8/4/2010 8:32 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>> My temp directory is also marked R/O and I can create files in there and setup builds a temp file in there without complaint. I don't quite understand what is going on...
>>
>> Dick, K6KR
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Mike<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Dick,
>>>
>>> I just ran the install on my Win7 Home Premium box with no problems, and I did not
>>> have to run as admin.
>>>
>>> There is a permission problem. Try going to
>>>
>>> "C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Local\Temp\" and see if it's marked "read only" or if Win7 prohibits you access. Try to copy something there.
>>>
>>> That should normally be a writable directory. Win7 just REALLY doesn't want to have updatable files (ie a database or configuration file) under Program Files.
>>>
>>> Mike NF4L
>>>
>>>
>
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Doug Person

Re: K3 Utility Installation Problem (somewhat OT)

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A directory is not a file. It is only an item in the file control
system table. You're assuming that the properties of the directory
dictate the access control level of the files associated with it. This
isn't the case. You can't write to a directory the same way you can
write to a file. Therefore, it is read-only. A directory looks like a
container but its not. It is an association or an attribute of a file.

Doug -- K0DXV

On 8/5/2010 5:58 AM, ab2tc wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am using XP. When I view properties for *any* directory it shows Read Only
> although they are not. Maybe technically a directory (which is a file) is
> read only meaning that application software cannot write to them directly,
> only the OS can. That doesn't mean that applications cannot create and write
> files in that directory.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> Mike-14-3 wrote:
>> Hmmmmmm..... My directory comes up with RO also, and I can also write
>> there. Thanks
>> Microsoft.......
>>
>> I use InnoSetup for my installs, and it has a constant that will put
>> writable files
>> in the proper directory, and I am pretty sure it unpacks the install (by
>> default)
>> into temp. No problems with it so far on WIn7.
>>
>> I'm puzzled.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> <snip>
>>