K3 Utility settings transfer
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I use the K3 Utility on two PCs - the shack desktop, and a laptop for
portable operation. Is there a way to transfer the K3 Utility settings between the two PCs, other than manual re-typing? 73 Chris, MØPSK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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You can use the registry editor (regedit) to export the registry key
HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/Elecraft/K3 Utility to a .reg file, copy the file to the other machine and import it there. I would examine the .reg file with anotepad before importing it for reasonableness. The reg file should contain only keys and values for the key named above. Normal Regedit dire warnings apply, it is a powerful tool. Dick, K6KR Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:38 AM, Chris M0PSK <[hidden email]> wrote: > I use the K3 Utility on two PCs - the shack desktop, and a laptop for > portable operation. Is there a way to transfer the K3 Utility > settings > between the two PCs, other than manual re-typing? > > > 73 Chris, MØPSK > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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At 12:06 PM 09/10/09, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>You can use the registry editor (regedit) to export the registry key If the software used a config or an .ini file, then one qould not have to do the registry dance. 73, Thom k3hrn ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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.ini files have their own problems, that's why they have long been
deprecated for new application development. Raymond Chen explains why in http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2007/11/26/6523907.aspx. There are issues with the Registry as well, but it's the solution a whole lot of software authors choose for rapid hierarchal access to configuration data. If I were writing the K3 Utility with extensive library support (pick your run-time library, VBRUN, .Net, Java, RealBasic, Qt, whatever), I might have used an XML configuration file, as I did with K3 Voice. One of the constraints I accepted for the K3 Utility was a relatively small download size (currently it's just over a megabyte, and about 2/3 of that is help text and help file images), and to avoid prerequisite downloads and installation issues commonly referred to as the "DLL Hell" problem. Writing XML configuration files when things change is quite slow when compared with registry writes as controls change. YMMV for the software you write, Thom. Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Thom LaCosta [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:19 PM To: Dick Dievendorff; Chris M0PSK Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility settings transfer At 12:06 PM 09/10/09, Dick Dievendorff wrote: >You can use the registry editor (regedit) to export the registry key If the software used a config or an .ini file, then one qould not have to do the registry dance. 73, Thom k3hrn ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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How many lines of code would it take to write a "script" to accomplish this process behind the UI? Would this significantly add to the download overhead of the Utility application? Would it take an inordinate ammount of time to develop? I use a Laptop and a Desktop both with configuration programs (along with K3-EZ) with my radio. A "Export Utilities settings" and a "Import Utility settings" script set with a big square "button" for each (OK, put it in the file menu!) would be a handy addition to the software package's feature set. There is plenty of room on the sheet as it apears now, so its not a question of sheet real estate. Although I personally feel comfortable working with RegEdit, many do not, and keeping registry manipulation away from users is usually a good thing. Serious damage can occur if you dont pay attention any time youre messing with the Windows' Registry. Just a thought for your development "features list". Thanks for letting me know that this process is doable at the registry level. Wish I would have known about it two weeks ago :( -Lu Romero - W4LT- K3 #3192 ----------------- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:13:04 -0700 From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility settings transfer To: "'Thom LaCosta'" <[hidden email]>, "'Chris M0PSK'" <[hidden email]> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <[hidden email]> Message-ID: <000001ca326c$40aa7490$c1ff5db0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ini files have their own problems, that's why they have long been deprecated for new application development. Raymond Chen explains why in http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2007/11/26/6523907.aspx. There are issues with the Registry as well, but it's the solution a whole lot of software authors choose for rapid hierarchal access to configuration data. If I were writing the K3 Utility with extensive library support (pick your run-time library, VBRUN, .Net, Java, RealBasic, Qt, whatever), I might have used an XML configuration file, as I did with K3 Voice. One of the constraints I accepted for the K3 Utility was a relatively small download size (currently it's just over a megabyte, and about 2/3 of that is help text and help file images), and to avoid prerequisite downloads and installation issues commonly referred to as the "DLL Hell" problem. Writing XML configuration files when things change is quite slow when compared with registry writes as controls change. YMMV for the software you write, Thom. Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Thom LaCosta [[hidden email]] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:19 PM To: Dick Dievendorff; Chris M0PSK Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility settings transfer At 12:06 PM 09/10/09, Dick Dievendorff wrote: >You can use the registry editor (regedit) to export the registry key If the software used a config or an .ini file, then one qould not have to do the registry dance. 73, Thom k3hrn ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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You mean something like
Regedit /E myfile.reg "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Elecraft\K3 Utility" Use notepad to examine myfile.reg to verify that it has what you expect (only keys and subkeys of the K3 Utility) Copy myfile.reg to the other machine, and on the other machine, Regedit myfile.reg ? Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Lu Romero Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:23 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility settings transfer Dick: How many lines of code would it take to write a "script" to accomplish this process behind the UI? Would this significantly add to the download overhead of the Utility application? Would it take an inordinate ammount of time to develop? I use a Laptop and a Desktop both with configuration programs (along with K3-EZ) with my radio. A "Export Utilities settings" and a "Import Utility settings" script set with a big square "button" for each (OK, put it in the file menu!) would be a handy addition to the software package's feature set. There is plenty of room on the sheet as it apears now, so its not a question of sheet real estate. Although I personally feel comfortable working with RegEdit, many do not, and keeping registry manipulation away from users is usually a good thing. Serious damage can occur if you dont pay attention any time youre messing with the Windows' Registry. Just a thought for your development "features list". Thanks for letting me know that this process is doable at the registry level. Wish I would have known about it two weeks ago :( -Lu Romero - W4LT- K3 #3192 ----------------- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:13:04 -0700 From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility settings transfer To: "'Thom LaCosta'" <[hidden email]>, "'Chris M0PSK'" <[hidden email]> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <[hidden email]> Message-ID: <000001ca326c$40aa7490$c1ff5db0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ini files have their own problems, that's why they have long been deprecated for new application development. Raymond Chen explains why in http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2007/11/26/6523907.aspx. There are issues with the Registry as well, but it's the solution a whole lot of software authors choose for rapid hierarchal access to configuration data. If I were writing the K3 Utility with extensive library support (pick your run-time library, VBRUN, .Net, Java, RealBasic, Qt, whatever), I might have used an XML configuration file, as I did with K3 Voice. One of the constraints I accepted for the K3 Utility was a relatively small download size (currently it's just over a megabyte, and about 2/3 of that is help text and help file images), and to avoid prerequisite downloads and installation issues commonly referred to as the "DLL Hell" problem. Writing XML configuration files when things change is quite slow when compared with registry writes as controls change. YMMV for the software you write, Thom. Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Thom LaCosta [[hidden email]] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:19 PM To: Dick Dievendorff; Chris M0PSK Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility settings transfer At 12:06 PM 09/10/09, Dick Dievendorff wrote: >You can use the registry editor (regedit) to export the registry key If the software used a config or an .ini file, then one qould not have to do the registry dance. 73, Thom k3hrn ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I see your point. :)
At the sake of being too simplistic, here is *my* point: Yes, but more like: User opens application by double clicking the icon User selects the <Configuration> tab from the tab group User selects the <Export Program Settings> box Software raises selection form <Save Export As...> User chooses name and location from presented menu (standard Windows Save As form). System checks destination upon entry. If destination contains selected file name and extension, software raises <File already exists: Save Anyway - Cancel> Upon successful selection, software runs script containing the following commands: - Find required registry keys that determine the settings. - Create a package that contains the settings - Runs a examination routine that determines only valid keys are being copied - Saves the package to the selected destination. - If check and save are successful, Software raises completion form: <File Created successfully> - If file check and/or save are unsuccessful, software raises error form: <Error Saving File: {reason} + Not enough room at destination + Incorrect syntax found + Destination Write Protected... Etc etc.> A similar process for importing is also created. The benefit is that the user never needs to see or remember the base level commands you describe below which might be intimidating to him/her. The computer does what it is supposed to do, shield the user from the process by automation. You have probably read this: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog0000000062.html I find the writings useful in fields other than software development. Yes, I know editing the registry is easy and un intimidating. Others might not find it so. -lu-w4lt- > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick Dievendorff [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:37 PM > To: [hidden email]; [hidden email] > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility settings transfer > > You mean something like > > Regedit /E myfile.reg "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Elecraft\K3 Utility" > > Use notepad to examine myfile.reg to verify that it has what > you expect (only keys and subkeys of the K3 Utility) > > Copy myfile.reg to the other machine, > > and on the other machine, > > Regedit myfile.reg > > ? > > > Dick, K6KR > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Lu Romero > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:23 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility settings transfer > > Dick: > > How many lines of code would it take to write a "script" to > accomplish this process behind the UI? Would this > significantly add to the download overhead of the Utility > application? Would it take an inordinate ammount of time to develop? > > I use a Laptop and a Desktop both with configuration programs > (along with K3-EZ) with my radio. A "Export Utilities > settings" and a "Import Utility settings" script set with a > big square "button" for each (OK, put it in the file menu!) > would be a handy addition to the software package's feature > set. There is plenty of room on the sheet as it apears now, > so its not a question of sheet real estate. > > Although I personally feel comfortable working with RegEdit, > many do not, and keeping registry manipulation away from > users is usually a good thing. > > Serious damage can occur if you dont pay attention any time > youre messing with the Windows' Registry. > > Just a thought for your development "features list". > > Thanks for letting me know that this process is doable at the > registry level. Wish I would have known about it two weeks ago :( > > -Lu Romero - W4LT- > K3 #3192 > > ----------------- > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:13:04 -0700 > From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility settings transfer > To: "'Thom LaCosta'" <[hidden email]>, "'Chris > M0PSK'" > <[hidden email]> > Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <[hidden email]> > Message-ID: <000001ca326c$40aa7490$c1ff5db0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > ini files have their own problems, that's why they have long > been deprecated for new application development. Raymond Chen > explains why in > http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2007/11/26/6523907.aspx. > > > There are issues with the Registry as well, but it's the > solution a whole lot of software authors choose for rapid > hierarchal access to configuration data. > > If I were writing the K3 Utility with extensive library > support (pick your run-time library, VBRUN, .Net, Java, > RealBasic, Qt, whatever), I might have used an XML > configuration file, as I did with K3 Voice. One of the > constraints I accepted for the K3 Utility was a relatively > small download size (currently it's just over a megabyte, and > about 2/3 of that is help text and help file images), and to > avoid prerequisite downloads and installation issues commonly > referred to as the "DLL Hell" > problem. > > Writing XML configuration files when things change is quite > slow when compared with registry writes as controls change. > > YMMV for the software you write, Thom. > > Dick, K6KR > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thom LaCosta [[hidden email]] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:19 PM > To: Dick Dievendorff; Chris M0PSK > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility settings transfer > > At 12:06 PM 09/10/09, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > >You can use the registry editor (regedit) to export the > registry key > > If the software used a config or an .ini file, then one > qould not have to do the registry dance. > > 73, > Thom k3hrn > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.1.0.25 - 6.13240). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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