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kd1na

K3 VFO A/B

Put me in favor of having the 2/1 tap operation menu selectable. That way everyone is happy

73
Dave KD1NA
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alsopb

Re: K3 VFO A/B

Most of you are missing the issue.

The issue is that pressing SPLIT should do it all in one press.
The three past rigs I've owned from the big three all did this.

It isn't about A>B once or twice.

Brian/K3KO

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>Put me in favor of having the 2/1 tap operation menu selectable. That way everyone is happy
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Jim Cox

Re: K3 VFO A/B

Amen, this is a feature that is needed. Jim K4JAF

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO A/B

> Most of you are missing the issue.
>
> The issue is that pressing SPLIT should do it all in one press. The three
> past rigs I've owned from the big three all did this.
> It isn't about A>B once or twice.
>
> Brian/K3KO
>
> David Robertson wrote:
>
>>Put me in favor of having the 2/1 tap operation menu selectable. That way
>>everyone is happy
>>
>>73
>>Dave KD1NA
>>K3 #934
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 VFO A/B

In reply to this post by alsopb

Brian,

If that is the case, please tell us what specific transceivers you have
used.

Split allows on to transmit on the VFO B frequency (and mode?) while
non-split operation transmits on VFO A.

My K3 works like that, my K2 works like that, as do my Yaesu FT-900 and
FT-847.
I don't believe anything else is needed or desired - and I want it that way.

I do not want SPLIT to change the VFO B contents in any way. None of my
radios do that and I am quite happy with it that way.

What would *you* like the SPLIT button to do?

73,
Don W3FPR

Brian Alsop wrote:
> Most of you are missing the issue.
>
> The issue is that pressing SPLIT should do it all in one press. The
> three past rigs I've owned from the big three all did this.
> It isn't about A>B once or twice.
>
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N5GE

Re: K3 VFO A/B

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:06:39 -0500, "Jim Cox" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>Amen, this is a feature that is needed. Jim K4JAF
>
>
[snip]

Seems there are some folks out there that believe the rest of us should have it
their way and not be able to choose which way we want it to be. The selection
method would allow us to all be happy. The point, as I see it, is not how it
was on a previous rig we owned, but how we would like the K3 to be going
forward.

73,

Tom, N5GE

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Joe Subich, W4TV-3

RE: K3 VFO A/B

In reply to this post by alsopb

> Most of you are missing the issue.
>
> The issue is that pressing SPLIT should do it all in one press.
> The three past rigs I've owned from the big three all did this.

No, you are missing the issue. Split should ONLY turn split
On/Off. Pressing A->B should copy BOTH frequency and Mode from
VFO A to VFO B. I don't want VFO B reset every time I turn split
On/Off.

Rigs from the "big three" do not reset VFO B every time split
is turned on/off.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brian Alsop
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 8:39 AM
> Cc: Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO A/B
>
>
> Most of you are missing the issue.
>
> The issue is that pressing SPLIT should do it all in one press.
> The three past rigs I've owned from the big three all did this.
>
> It isn't about A>B once or twice.
>
> Brian/K3KO
>
> David Robertson wrote:
>
> >Put me in favor of having the 2/1 tap operation menu
> selectable. That
> >way everyone is happy
> >
> >73
> >Dave KD1NA
> >K3 #934
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 VFO A/B

Joe,

In addition, there are several top operators who do *not* want the mode
and filters copied from VFO A to VFO B every time. That was why the
2-button tap was introduced.

So *no*, the A>B should *not* necessarily copy mode and filters every
time it is tapped. If you want to copy everything, tap it twice - makes
perfect sense to me.

73,
Don W3FPR

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>> Most of you are missing the issue.
>>
>> The issue is that pressing SPLIT should do it all in one press.
>> The three past rigs I've owned from the big three all did this.
>>
>
> No, you are missing the issue. Split should ONLY turn split
> On/Off. Pressing A->B should copy BOTH frequency and Mode from
> VFO A to VFO B. I don't want VFO B reset every time I turn split
> On/Off.
>
> Rigs from the "big three" do not reset VFO B every time split
> is turned on/off.
>
>
>

Dave Zeph

Re: K3 VFO A/B

In reply to this post by kd1na

It’s obvious that these is a strong difference of opinion on how the A>B
Button should work.

Rather than one group shove THEIR idea of how it SHOULD work down the other
group’s throat it would seem that Elecraft would be well advised to
terminate this discussion and make this user-configurable.

73--→ Dave, W9ZRX

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Joe Subich, W4TV-3

RE: K3 VFO A/B

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Don,

> In addition, there are several top operators who do *not*
> want the mode and filters copied from VFO A to VFO B every
> time. That was why the 2-button tap was introduced.

Why do you insist on saying "mode and filters?" You are NOT
listening to what I'm saying ... and completely twisting what
I want to accomplish. The "tap dance" has its place, but mode
should be copied with frequency.

Filters, receive antenna, preamp, AGC, etc. are separate issue.
With the "CW + SSB" option to handle cross mode operation, mode
should be copied with frequency - *NOT* with the auxiliary
settings.

As is stands, there is no convenient way to set up the mode
of VFO B. If one uses a single tap, only the frequency is set.
With the double tap, ALL parameters (mode, filters, AGC, VOX,
RX Ant, etc.) are copied. It is counterproductive to reset
the ancillary settings just to set the VFO B frequency to
that of VFO A but mode is generally a function of frequency.
There must be a simple way to set up VFO B when it's on another
mode/frequency and the user needs to "go split." "B Set, mode,
mode, mode, B Set" is neither simple nor intuitive. It is
too easy to forget or mess up in the heat of battle when trying
to set up for split.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:27 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: 'Elecraft'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO A/B
>
>
> Joe,
>
> In addition, there are several top operators who do *not*
> want the mode
> and filters copied from VFO A to VFO B every time. That was why the
> 2-button tap was introduced.
>
> So *no*, the A>B should *not* necessarily copy mode and filters every
> time it is tapped. If you want to copy everything, tap it
> twice - makes
> perfect sense to me.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> >> Most of you are missing the issue.
> >>
> >> The issue is that pressing SPLIT should do it all in one press. The
> >> three past rigs I've owned from the big three all did this.
> >>
> >
> > No, you are missing the issue. Split should ONLY turn split On/Off.
> > Pressing A->B should copy BOTH frequency and Mode from VFO A to VFO
> > B. I don't want VFO B reset every time I turn split On/Off.
> >
> > Rigs from the "big three" do not reset VFO B every time split is
> > turned on/off.
> >

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 VFO A/B

Joe,

I did understand what you said - there have been proposals all over the
field and there are varying opinions in every corner.

If you believe that mode should be copied with the frequency, an appeal
to Wayne with that specific request might get some attention, but I
certainly cannot predict the outcome. Many minds have contributed
already to the production of the current operation, and your solution
while IMHO worth considering, was not the outcome of the previous exercise.

73,
Don W3FPR

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

> Don,
>
>
>> In addition, there are several top operators who do *not*
>> want the mode and filters copied from VFO A to VFO B every
>> time. That was why the 2-button tap was introduced.
>>
>
> Why do you insist on saying "mode and filters?" You are NOT
> listening to what I'm saying ... and completely twisting what
> I want to accomplish. The "tap dance" has its place, but mode
> should be copied with frequency.
>
> Filters, receive antenna, preamp, AGC, etc. are separate issue.
> With the "CW + SSB" option to handle cross mode operation, mode
> should be copied with frequency - *NOT* with the auxiliary
> settings.
>
> As is stands, there is no convenient way to set up the mode
> of VFO B. If one uses a single tap, only the frequency is set.
> With the double tap, ALL parameters (mode, filters, AGC, VOX,
> RX Ant, etc.) are copied. It is counterproductive to reset
> the ancillary settings just to set the VFO B frequency to
> that of VFO A but mode is generally a function of frequency.
> There must be a simple way to set up VFO B when it's on another
> mode/frequency and the user needs to "go split." "B Set, mode,
> mode, mode, B Set" is neither simple nor intuitive. It is
> too easy to forget or mess up in the heat of battle when trying
> to set up for split.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
>> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:27 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Cc: 'Elecraft'
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO A/B
>>
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> In addition, there are several top operators who do *not*
>> want the mode
>> and filters copied from VFO A to VFO B every time. That was why the
>> 2-button tap was introduced.
>>
>> So *no*, the A>B should *not* necessarily copy mode and filters every
>> time it is tapped. If you want to copy everything, tap it
>> twice - makes
>> perfect sense to me.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>>>> Most of you are missing the issue.
>>>>
>>>> The issue is that pressing SPLIT should do it all in one press. The
>>>> three past rigs I've owned from the big three all did this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, you are missing the issue. Split should ONLY turn split On/Off.
>>> Pressing A->B should copy BOTH frequency and Mode from VFO A to VFO
>>> B. I don't want VFO B reset every time I turn split On/Off.
>>>
>>> Rigs from the "big three" do not reset VFO B every time split is
>>> turned on/off.
>>>
>>>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-3

RE: K3 VFO A/B

> I did understand what you said - there have been proposals
> all over the field and there are varying opinions in every
> corner.

If you understood what I was saying, you were misrepresenting
it. The bottom line, MODE should be copied with FREQUENCY,
the other settings belong with either the second tap or left
for "B set, <setting> B set" procedure. It's frequency and
mode that matter when setting up for split. If the user has
a KRX3 and is doing dual or duplex, the second receiver will
likely have other settings (filter, RX Ant, AGC, etc.) that
should not be changed and they will need "B set, <setting>,
B set" in any case.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 1:37 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]; 'Elecraft'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO A/B
>
>
> Joe,
>
> I did understand what you said - there have been proposals
> all over the
> field and there are varying opinions in every corner.
>
> If you believe that mode should be copied with the frequency,
> an appeal
> to Wayne with that specific request might get some attention, but I
> certainly cannot predict the outcome. Many minds have contributed
> already to the production of the current operation, and your solution
> while IMHO worth considering, was not the outcome of the
> previous exercise.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> > Don,
> >
> >
> >> In addition, there are several top operators who do *not* want the
> >> mode and filters copied from VFO A to VFO B every time.
> That was why
> >> the 2-button tap was introduced.
> >>
> >
> > Why do you insist on saying "mode and filters?" You are NOT
> > listening to what I'm saying ... and completely twisting what
> > I want to accomplish. The "tap dance" has its place, but mode
> > should be copied with frequency.
> >
> > Filters, receive antenna, preamp, AGC, etc. are separate issue.
> > With the "CW + SSB" option to handle cross mode operation, mode
> > should be copied with frequency - *NOT* with the auxiliary
> > settings.
> >
> > As is stands, there is no convenient way to set up the mode
> > of VFO B. If one uses a single tap, only the frequency is set.
> > With the double tap, ALL parameters (mode, filters, AGC, VOX,
> > RX Ant, etc.) are copied. It is counterproductive to reset
> > the ancillary settings just to set the VFO B frequency to
> > that of VFO A but mode is generally a function of frequency.
> > There must be a simple way to set up VFO B when it's on another
> > mode/frequency and the user needs to "go split." "B Set, mode,
> > mode, mode, B Set" is neither simple nor intuitive. It is
> > too easy to forget or mess up in the heat of battle when trying
> > to set up for split.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >

Vic K2VCO

Re: K3 VFO A/B

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

> If you understood what I was saying, you were misrepresenting
> it. The bottom line, MODE should be copied with FREQUENCY,
> the other settings belong with either the second tap or left
> for "B set, <setting> B set" procedure. It's frequency and
> mode that matter when setting up for split. If the user has
> a KRX3 and is doing dual or duplex, the second receiver will
> likely have other settings (filter, RX Ant, AGC, etc.) that
> should not be changed and they will need "B set, <setting>,
> B set" in any case.

How can you copy mode without copying bandwidth? Maybe it would have to
be something like "if the mode is different, also copy the b/w,
otherwise not".

Confusing.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:39 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO A/B

It’s obvious that these is a strong difference of opinion on how the A>B
Button should work.

Rather than one group shove THEIR idea of how it SHOULD work down the other
group’s throat it would seem that Elecraft would be well advised to
terminate this discussion and make this user-configurable.

73--→ Dave, W9ZRX

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