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I need to point out that those retention clips will work fine when you
are connecting two APP in-line connectors together, however, they cannot be fitted to the K3/K3S APP connector because the "retainer pin" hole is not accessible at the K3/K3S end. They are fine for connecting one APP cable to another, but in practice, I have not found them necessary. Properly assembled APP connectors will have a significant pullout force requirement. Pay attention to those who state they can move the K3 by pulling on the cable - those folks have properly assembled APP connectors. 73, Don W3FPR If yours cannot do that, investigate the construction of your APP connectors. On 9/13/2016 10:01 PM, Dan Violette wrote: > And there are retention clips. I have a couple black ones that came with > some order at one time (RigRunner I think). > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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And imperfect assembly is a mistake easily made. For the first year or so that I owned the K3 I had the problem of intermittent DC, requiring fiddling with the APP connectors until getting them positioned just right, only to have intermittent connections again whenever the rig was moved. Then, having read an earlier suggestion like the one Don just made, though skeptical that I could possibly have assembled them incorrectly, I decided to give the blades an extra shove from behind. Click. No more problems since.
I demur from saying whether I use solder or crimp. One can ruin friendships very quickly by debating matters of religion or politics. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:41:39 -0400 From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed One of the reasons some have trouble with APP connectors is that they have not been properly assembled. If you look at the end of an APP and can see the spring finger as well as the contact blade, it has not been properly assembled. Give the contact blade a push from the wire side until the contact blade locks over the spring finger. If it will not lock, there may be solder on the contact blade preventing it from being fully inserted - remove the contact blade and either cut off the solder with a sharp knife or replace the contact blade. 73, Don W3FPR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Sure. I buy black and white lengths of #10 stranded THHN (ordinary house
wire) at the big box store, cut a length of each, put one end of both in a bench vise, the other in a drill, and twist it. Then let it sit overnight to let it set in position (it will untwist some, but not enough to matter if you've twisted it a lot.) 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,9/13/2016 5:10 PM, John Pitz wrote: > I don't suppose you have a suggestion as to where I could buy flexible > #10 wire? The reason I chose the zip cord is because of it's flexibility. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I see the recurring APP thread has once again raised its head and has again been beaten to death.. :-)
Let's end the thread at this time, due to the very large number of posts on this topic, and the fact that exactly the same info is available in the archives from multiple past threads. Must be a slow dx day! 73, Eric Moderator etc. elecraft.com _..._ > On Sep 13, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Sure. I buy black and white lengths of #10 stranded THHN (ordinary house wire) at the big box store, cut a length of each, put one end of both in a bench vise, the other in a drill, and twist it. Then let it sit overnight to let it set in position (it will untwist some, but not enough to matter if you've twisted it a lot.) > > 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Power pole connectors are okay but they do break!
When you use the K3's Tilt Stand the power cable will lean on the desk surface. If you for any reason lift the K3 at the front any higher the sideways pressure on the Power pole connector can break its housing and the spring in the connector is loosing its tension. You have to look closely to see the crack. It happened to me. I replaced the housing and the connection was tight again. So if you have a loosely fitting connector.. check for cracks in the housing! 73's Twan - PAØKV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I alluded to those clips when I said, "And there are ways/devices to
make PP connections "more secure". It was my intention to clarify that statement with a link to the clips... Apologize. I was on vacation and become distracted and hit "Send" too early. :-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 9/13/2016 5:48 PM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > Hello all: > > David, K6SBA, most graciously shared the solution with me. Powerwerx (see their website) sells a plastic clip that ties the mating connectors together, preventing them from slipping apart and disconnecting. The clip can be easily removed if needed. I just ordered a few of the clips for my installation. Now, that’ a solution! Thank you again David! You made my day! > > Ramon, NQ9V > > >> On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, George Kidder <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Completely agree! Soldering is effective, cheap and reliable if done right - as is crimping, bar the cost of the tool. >> >> W3HBM >> >> >> On 9/13/2016 5:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>> FWIW, rather than invest in crimpers and practice as needed to get great crimps, I simply solder the wires into the terminals as recommended by Wayne. >>> >>> I place the terminals over the bare ends and solder, filling the part you might crimp with solder. It's useful to align the terminals correctly so they slide right into the PP housing when done. Also, be sure you do not get solder on the terminal contacts. Some builders like to hold the wires vertically with a vice to prevent soldering from flowing onto the contact area. >>> >>> I've had no problems over the past 12 years or so using the PP connectors -- all but a very few are soldered. >>> >>> 73, Ron AC7AC >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John Pitz >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:49 AM >>> To: [hidden email] >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles >>> >>> On the topic of Power Pole connectors, I have a crimper that if I remember correctly I bought from West Mountain Radio. It looks pretty similar to the one sold by Powerwerx. I have had very little success crimping the #10 zip cord sold by Powerwerx. Am I missing something? I have used these off and on for a few years to crimp smaller gauge wire. >>> With the 10 wire the crimp looks terrible, and it is very hard to extract the pin from the crimper without destroying the pin. If you do manage to get the pin out of the crimpers it is almost impossible to push into the housing. Is there something wrong with Powerwerx's zip cord? my crimpers? Is there better cable to use, ideally something really flexible? A lot of my operation is portable so this stuff is always getting plugged, unplugged, coiled, uncoiled, etc. >>> >>> KD8CIV >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 08:11 -0500, Clay Autery wrote: >>> >>>> I find the Power pole connectors perfectly serviceable... And I am >>>> pretty much a cabling/connector freak. >>>> >>>> I like Power Poles because they are serviceable, configurable, and >>>> becoming more common/standard as time passes. >>>> >>>> Would I prefer a CPC or other connector? Perhaps, but the Power Pole >>>> does the job and at a manufacturing price point that makes sense. >>>> >>>> If you do your cabling and cable routing correctly, you should never >>>> have a problem. The connectors are rated to carry enough power to >>>> satisfy the K3s' needs AT FULL POWER. >>>> >>>> And there are ways/devices to make PP connections "more secure". >>>> >>>> ______________________ >>>> Clay Autery, KY5G >>>> MONTAC Enterprises >>>> (318) 518-1389 >>>> >>>> On 9/13/2016 7:53 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >>>>> The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power supply. Has anybody out there “invented” or “discovered” a more secure and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. >>>>> >>>>> Ramón E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V >>>>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ >>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/> >>>>> https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ >>>>> <https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>> [hidden email] >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > Ramón E. Tristani Sr. > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ <https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/> > https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ <https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I fly RC helicopters and use Power Poles on all of my connections. My motor draws 75A with spikes over 100A. The model experiences broad frequency vibration, direct exposure to heat, cold, and moisture. I've never had a failure of a connection, an inadvertent disconnection, or wore one out.
Now to be fair I buy Anderson brand and use their crimper. If you are having issues with pp then my first question is where you obtained them and how are you attaching. The only odd thing I do is coat them with Vaseline ( which I'm told is bad). After almost 10 years I figure I'm due for a failure or such. Jer Sent from my iPad > On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Clay Autery <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I alluded to those clips when I said, "And there are ways/devices to > make PP connections "more secure". > > It was my intention to clarify that statement with a link to the > clips... Apologize. I was on vacation and become distracted and hit > "Send" too early. :-) > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > >> On 9/13/2016 5:48 PM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >> Hello all: >> >> David, K6SBA, most graciously shared the solution with me. Powerwerx (see >> their website) sells a plastic clip that ties the mating connectors >> together, preventing them from slipping apart and disconnecting. The clip >> can be easily removed if needed. I just ordered a few of the clips for my >> installation. Now, that’ a solution! Thank you again David! You made my >> day! >> >> Ramon, NQ9V >> >> >>> On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, George Kidder <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Completely agree! Soldering is effective, cheap and reliable if done >>> right - as is crimping, bar the cost of the tool. >>> >>> W3HBM >>> >>> >>>> On 9/13/2016 5:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>>> FWIW, rather than invest in crimpers and practice as needed to get great >>>> crimps, I simply solder the wires into the terminals as recommended by >>>> Wayne. >>>> >>>> I place the terminals over the bare ends and solder, filling the part >>>> you might crimp with solder. It's useful to align the terminals >>>> correctly so they slide right into the PP housing when done. Also, be >>>> sure you do not get solder on the terminal contacts. Some builders like >>>> to hold the wires vertically with a vice to prevent soldering from >>>> flowing onto the contact area. >>>> >>>> I've had no problems over the past 12 years or so using the PP >>>> connectors -- all but a very few are soldered. >>>> >>>> 73, Ron AC7AC >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of >>>> John Pitz >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:49 AM >>>> To: [hidden email] >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles >>>> >>>> On the topic of Power Pole connectors, I have a crimper that if I >>>> remember correctly I bought from West Mountain Radio. It looks pretty >>>> similar to the one sold by Powerwerx. I have had very little success >>>> crimping the #10 zip cord sold by Powerwerx. Am I missing something? I >>>> have used these off and on for a few years to crimp smaller gauge wire. >>>> With the 10 wire the crimp looks terrible, and it is very hard to >>>> extract the pin from the crimper without destroying the pin. If you do >>>> manage to get the pin out of the crimpers it is almost impossible to >>>> push into the housing. Is there something wrong with Powerwerx's zip >>>> cord? my crimpers? Is there better cable to use, ideally something >>>> really flexible? A lot of my operation is portable so this stuff is >>>> always getting plugged, unplugged, coiled, uncoiled, etc. >>>> >>>> KD8CIV >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 08:11 -0500, Clay Autery wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I find the Power pole connectors perfectly serviceable... And I am >>>>> pretty much a cabling/connector freak. >>>>> >>>>> I like Power Poles because they are serviceable, configurable, and >>>>> becoming more common/standard as time passes. >>>>> >>>>> Would I prefer a CPC or other connector? Perhaps, but the Power Pole >>>>> does the job and at a manufacturing price point that makes sense. >>>>> >>>>> If you do your cabling and cable routing correctly, you should never >>>>> have a problem. The connectors are rated to carry enough power to >>>>> satisfy the K3s' needs AT FULL POWER. >>>>> >>>>> And there are ways/devices to make PP connections "more secure". >>>>> >>>>> ______________________ >>>>> Clay Autery, KY5G >>>>> MONTAC Enterprises >>>>> (318) 518-1389 >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/13/2016 7:53 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >>>>>> The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a >>>>>> marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power >>>>>> supply. Has anybody out there “invented” or “discovered” a more secure >>>>>> and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is >>>>>> so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can >>>>>> they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at >>>>>> full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively >>>>>> high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would >>>>>> appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ramón E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V >>>>>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ >>>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/> >>>>>> https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ >>>>>> <https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>>>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>>> [hidden email] >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> Ramón E. Tristani Sr. >> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ <https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/> >> https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ >> <https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Just for info to all. I ordered the retention clip from Powerwerx and it fits very well. The connection to my K3 is now secure.
Ramon Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 13, 2016, at 10:41 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I need to point out that those retention clips will work fine when you are connecting two APP in-line connectors together, however, they cannot be fitted to the K3/K3S APP connector because the "retainer pin" hole is not accessible at the K3/K3S end. They are fine for connecting one APP cable to another, but in practice, I have not found them necessary. > Properly assembled APP connectors will have a significant pullout force requirement. Pay attention to those who state they can move the K3 by pulling on the cable - those folks have properly assembled APP connectors. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > If yours cannot do that, investigate the construction of your APP connectors. > >> On 9/13/2016 10:01 PM, Dan Violette wrote: >> And there are retention clips. I have a couple black ones that came with >> some order at one time (RigRunner I think). >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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