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Jorge Diez - CX6VM-2

K3 and Remoterig

Hi,

anyone using K3 and remoterig? http://www.radio-ware.com/products/sv-cmc.htm

The guy that made it said that "I have not got the possibility to test with
any of the Elecraft Rigs" http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=465

So I want to know if it work great with the K3 or not

thanks,

Jorge

CX6VM

K3 #4077

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: K3 and Remoterig

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Hi Jorge,

Yes - The K3/Remoterig combination is being tested both here and at
Remoterig right now. They should be announcing official K3 support very
soon.

73, Eric

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On 9/20/2011 1:24 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:

> Hi,
>
> anyone using K3 and remoterig? http://www.radio-ware.com/products/sv-cmc.htm
>
> The guy that made it said that "I have not got the possibility to test with
> any of the Elecraft Rigs" http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=465
>
> So I want to know if it work great with the K3 or not
>
> thanks,
> Jorge
> CX6VM
> K3 #4077

w0mu

Re: K3 and Remoterig

ABOUT TIME :)

The cat is out of the bag! Whoot!

On 9/20/2011 3:11 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> Hi Jorge,
>
> Yes - The K3/Remoterig combination is being tested both here and at
> Remoterig right now. They should be announcing official K3 support very
> soon.
>
> 73, Eric
>
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>
>
> On 9/20/2011 1:24 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> anyone using K3 and remoterig? http://www.radio-ware.com/products/sv-cmc.htm
>>
>> The guy that made it said that "I have not got the possibility to test with
>> any of the Elecraft Rigs" http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=465
>>
>> So I want to know if it work great with the K3 or not
>>
>> thanks,
>> Jorge
>> CX6VM
>> K3 #4077
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pd0psb

Re: K3 and Remoterig

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It *would* be very neat if Remoterig could support K3 on the server side and have it controlled by a KX3 on the client side as the remote frontpanel....

Owning both K3 and KX3 would become even more interesting.

73
Paul
PD0PSB

David Windisch

Re: K3 and Remoterig

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Jorge Diez - CX6VM-2

Re: K3 and Remoterig

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Thanks Eric,

nice to know that. I am planning to get it, so fortunately when I do, all
will be tested :-)

73,
Jorge
CX6VM
K3 #4077

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]]
Enviado el: Martes, 20 de Septiembre de 2011 06:12 p.m.
Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM
CC: [hidden email]
Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Remoterig

Hi Jorge,

Yes - The K3/Remoterig combination is being tested both here and at
Remoterig right now. They should be announcing official K3 support very
soon.

73, Eric

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On 9/20/2011 1:24 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
> Hi,
>
> anyone using K3 and remoterig?
http://www.radio-ware.com/products/sv-cmc.htm
>
> The guy that made it said that "I have not got the possibility to test
with
> any of the Elecraft Rigs" http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=465
>
> So I want to know if it work great with the K3 or not
>
> thanks,
> Jorge
> CX6VM
> K3 #4077

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Jorge Diez - CX6VM-2

Re: K3 and Remoterig

In reply to this post by pd0psb

I prefer an EXACTLY front of the K3 to do that.

I learned where are each button of my K3, and when I tried Ham Radio Deluxe
was very bad to see that all buttons are in different places.
My fear is that after using HRD for many days, when I went to the station
and use directly the K3, I am going to be forgotten where are the buttons in
the K3 and this will be a loop.

73,
Jorge
CX6VM

-----Mensaje original-----
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Enviado el: Miércoles, 21 de Septiembre de 2011 03:12 a.m.
Para: [hidden email]
Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Remoterig

It *would* be very neat if Remoterig could support K3 on the server side and
have it controlled by a KX3 on the client side as the remote frontpanel....

Owning both K3 and KX3 would become even more interesting.

73
Paul
PD0PSB

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Fabio Mantovani

Re: K3 and Remoterig

I agree with you, Jorge.
Could the unused RJ-45 connector in the K3 front panel (used for
diagnostics as far as I know) be "recycled" with some additional board
and be used as a remote K3 front panel via remoterig?
This way it should work as other radios with detachable front panels in
a fully transparent way (Kenwood TS480, IC706, etc.)

Just my 2 (euro)cents.

Fabio
IZ4AFW - NZ1W - HI9/IZ4AFW

Il 21/09/2011 14.12, Jorge Diez - CX6VM ha scritto:

> I prefer an EXACTLY front of the K3 to do that.
>
> I learned where are each button of my K3, and when I tried Ham Radio Deluxe
> was very bad to see that all buttons are in different places.
> My fear is that after using HRD for many days, when I went to the station
> and use directly the K3, I am going to be forgotten where are the buttons in
> the K3 and this will be a loop.
>
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de pd0psb
> Enviado el: Miércoles, 21 de Septiembre de 2011 03:12 a.m.
> Para: [hidden email]
> Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Remoterig
>
> It *would* be very neat if Remoterig could support K3 on the server side and
> have it controlled by a KX3 on the client side as the remote frontpanel....
>
> Owning both K3 and KX3 would become even more interesting.
>
> 73
> Paul
> PD0PSB
>
>
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wayne burdick

Re: K3 and Remoterig

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In reply to this post by David Windisch

David Windisch wrote:

> Can you say in advance whether the Remoterig "twinning" (no computer
> required at client or host site) concept will be supported by the K3?

Yes.

The next release of K3 firmware will allow you to connect two K3s
together, with one acting as a "terminal" only, the other as the
"remote" radio. You can do this either with the RemoteRig control
boxes, which do not use a computer, or just with a "null modem" cable
going from one K3's RS232 jack to the other's. (A "null modem" cable
can be made with as few as three wires.)

The "terminal" K3 does not put out RF or audio -- that is handled
cleanly over the network by the RemoteRig hardware. The terminal K3
just sends switch/knob/potentiometer events to the remote K3. This
means it can be a completely stripped-down K3, like a K3/10 with no
options. If remoting K3s turns out to be very popular, we may in the
future offer a K3 that's front-panel-only to be used just as a
controller. The KX3 could also, in theory, be used to control most K3
functions, although it has far fewer controls, so it wouldn't be a
complete emulation.

Virtually the entire K3 user interface is supported by the new remote-
control protocol. It really feels like you're using the remote K3
itself, including a 100% accurate emulation of the remote K3's LCD
(flashing icons, etc.). Over a long-distance network there might be
noticeable latency in the use of some controls. But with a direct
connection or a LAN, there's barely any lag.

You can manually go in/out of terminal mode, or let the RemoteRig box
do it for you.

Additional details will be provided when the RemoteRig boxes become
available. They're doing extensive testing.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Eugene Balinski

K2 and Remoterig

Wayne et al,

Any testing on-going with Remoterig and the K2 ?

Thanks,

Gene K1NR

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:48:14 -0700
Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> David Windisch wrote:
>
> > Can you say in advance whether the Remoterig "twinning"
> (no computer
> > required at client or host site) concept will be
> supported by the K3?
>
> Yes.
>
> The next release of K3 firmware will allow you to connect
> two K3s
> together, with one acting as a "terminal" only, the other
> as the
> "remote" radio. You can do this either with the RemoteRig
> control
> boxes, which do not use a computer, or just with a "null
> modem" cable
> going from one K3's RS232 jack to the other's. (A "null
> modem" cable
> can be made with as few as three wires.)
>
> The "terminal" K3 does not put out RF or audio -- that is
> handled
> cleanly over the network by the RemoteRig hardware. The
> terminal K3
> just sends switch/knob/potentiometer events to the remote
> K3. This
> means it can be a completely stripped-down K3, like a
> K3/10 with no
> options. If remoting K3s turns out to be very popular, we
> may in the
> future offer a K3 that's front-panel-only to be used just
> as a
> controller. The KX3 could also, in theory, be used to
> control most K3
> functions, although it has far fewer controls, so it
> wouldn't be a
> complete emulation.
>
> Virtually the entire K3 user interface is supported by
> the new remote-
> control protocol. It really feels like you're using the
> remote K3
> itself, including a 100% accurate emulation of the remote
> K3's LCD
> (flashing icons, etc.). Over a long-distance network
> there might be
> noticeable latency in the use of some controls. But with
> a direct
> connection or a LAN, there's barely any lag.
>
> You can manually go in/out of terminal mode, or let the
> RemoteRig box
> do it for you.
>
> Additional details will be provided when the RemoteRig
> boxes become
> available. They're doing extensive testing.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>

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wayne burdick

Re: K2 and Remoterig

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K2 support for RemoteRig is very unlikely. I don't think we could
justify the investment in firmware, given the much smaller potential
user base.

Wayne
N6KR

On Sep 21, 2011, at 10:24 AM, Eugene Balinski wrote:

> Wayne et al,
>
> Any testing on-going with Remoterig and the K2 ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gene K1NR
>

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Jim Brown-10

Re: K3 and Remoterig

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On 9/21/2011 7:48 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> If remoting K3s turns out to be very popular, we may in the
> future offer a K3 that's front-panel-only to be used just as a
> controller.

This would be REALLY neat, Wayne -- if the remote rig package is good
enough to support serious operation, and if it wasn't too expensive for
you to design and put in production. One of those "OK, it's a great
idea, but how many can we sell?"

73, Jim K9YC
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Oliver Dröse

Re: K3 and Remoterig

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

Hi Wayne,

that's really fantastic news! I've been a user of the RemoteRig system for 3
or 4 years now (even with the first ever hardware version of them) but keep
my IC-706 for remoting as I need a real radio interface / front panel to put
my fingers on (software remote solutions as with HRD simply do not give me
the feeling of operating a rig). That's about the only (but very important)
reason why I do not use my K3 #4546 for remote. ;-))

If you'll provide a "front panel only K3 interface" I am quite sure you will
easily sell hundreds of them. Kenwood started producing separate front
panels for their TS-480's as it very very popular for RemoteRig control with
separated front panels and station sharing by several people using the same
transceiver body.

So I am really looking forward to a single front panel to buy. ;-))

But what I do not understand (maybe my problem as a non-native English
speaker) is why "additonal details will be provided when the RemoteRig boxes
become available"? As I understand you can also simply connect 2 K3's
serially so all the intelligence for this "K3 duplicating" must be in the
announced new K3 firmware. So no need for a "special RemoteRig K3 Twin"
version as for RemoteRig's Yaesu Twin controllers. You can simply use their
standard controllers (they would simply extend the serial cable) and should
be fine! And those are readily available already. But maybe my understanding
is wrong then I would be grateful to get an explaination what is meant by
your comment. ;-))

Anyway, keep up the good work! Month by month there are new exciting news
from Elecraft. ;-))

Vy 73, Olli - DH8BQA
K3 #4546, KPA500 #??? (should arrive in next few days)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Burdick" <[hidden email]>
To: "David Windisch" <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Remoterig

> David Windisch wrote:
>
>> Can you say in advance whether the Remoterig "twinning" (no computer
>> required at client or host site) concept will be supported by the K3?
>
> Yes.
>
> The next release of K3 firmware will allow you to connect two K3s
> together, with one acting as a "terminal" only, the other as the
> "remote" radio. You can do this either with the RemoteRig control
> boxes, which do not use a computer, or just with a "null modem" cable
> going from one K3's RS232 jack to the other's. (A "null modem" cable
> can be made with as few as three wires.)
>
> The "terminal" K3 does not put out RF or audio -- that is handled
> cleanly over the network by the RemoteRig hardware. The terminal K3
> just sends switch/knob/potentiometer events to the remote K3. This
> means it can be a completely stripped-down K3, like a K3/10 with no
> options. If remoting K3s turns out to be very popular, we may in the
> future offer a K3 that's front-panel-only to be used just as a
> controller. The KX3 could also, in theory, be used to control most K3
> functions, although it has far fewer controls, so it wouldn't be a
> complete emulation.
>
> Virtually the entire K3 user interface is supported by the new remote-
> control protocol. It really feels like you're using the remote K3
> itself, including a 100% accurate emulation of the remote K3's LCD
> (flashing icons, etc.). Over a long-distance network there might be
> noticeable latency in the use of some controls. But with a direct
> connection or a LAN, there's barely any lag.
>
> You can manually go in/out of terminal mode, or let the RemoteRig box
> do it for you.
>
> Additional details will be provided when the RemoteRig boxes become
> available. They're doing extensive testing.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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Re: K3 and Remoterig

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On Sep 21, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:

> But what I do not understand (maybe my problem as a non-native
> English speaker) is why "additonal details will be provided when the
> RemoteRig boxes become available"? As I understand you can also
> simply connect 2 K3's serially so all the intelligence for this "K3
> duplicating" must be in the announced new K3 firmware. So no need
> for a "special RemoteRig K3 Twin" version as for RemoteRig's Yaesu
> Twin controllers. You can simply use their standard controllers
> (they would simply extend the serial cable) and should be fine! And
> those are readily available already. But maybe my understanding is
> wrong then I would be grateful to get an explaination what is meant
> by your comment. ;-))

Hi Oliver,

What I meant was that we would further explain to our customers what
RemoteRig is and how it works. For example, many many not realize that
the microphone audio, keyer paddle, and receive audio are all routed
through these boxes, not the radio. This is a different way of
operating, but necessary to provide the proper signal conditioning and
transmission across a network.

There will also be some "fine print" associated with the K3 as used
with Remote Rig. At least with the first firmware release, which will
probably be about 99% of the final implementation. I'll have those
details later.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Oliver Dröse

Re: K3 and Remoterig

Okay Wayne, I see. ;-))

That's a nice approach as the Joe Average user might not fully understand
what is going on with the RemoteRig solution (I know as I've done a lot of
support among German users when the product first got popular overhere, hi).

So I simply misunderstood you (thought there would be a "special" controller
as for the Yaesu solution which is not needed here). Thanks for the quick
clarification! :-))

73, Olli - DH8BQA

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To: "Oliver Dröse" <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Remoterig

On Sep 21, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:

> But what I do not understand (maybe my problem as a non-native English
> speaker) is why "additonal details will be provided when the RemoteRig
> boxes become available"? As I understand you can also simply connect 2
> K3's serially so all the intelligence for this "K3 duplicating" must be
> in the announced new K3 firmware. So no need for a "special RemoteRig K3
> Twin" version as for RemoteRig's Yaesu Twin controllers. You can simply
> use their standard controllers (they would simply extend the serial
> cable) and should be fine! And those are readily available already. But
> maybe my understanding is wrong then I would be grateful to get an
> explaination what is meant by your comment. ;-))

Hi Oliver,

What I meant was that we would further explain to our customers what
RemoteRig is and how it works. For example, many many not realize that
the microphone audio, keyer paddle, and receive audio are all routed
through these boxes, not the radio. This is a different way of
operating, but necessary to provide the proper signal conditioning and
transmission across a network.

There will also be some "fine print" associated with the K3 as used
with Remote Rig. At least with the first firmware release, which will
probably be about 99% of the final implementation. I'll have those
details later.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: K3 and Remoterig

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sure will be great to have a K3 front to use in the setup.

Please Olli and others actually using remoterig Wich Internet speed (up and
down) do you need to be comfortable, for example calling a DX station in a
pile up?

thanks,
Jorge
CX6VM

-----Mensaje original-----
De: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de Oliver Dröse
Enviado el: Miércoles, 21 de Septiembre de 2011 04:54 p.m.
Para: Wayne Burdick
CC: [hidden email]
Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Remoterig

Hi Wayne,

that's really fantastic news! I've been a user of the RemoteRig system for 3

or 4 years now (even with the first ever hardware version of them) but keep
my IC-706 for remoting as I need a real radio interface / front panel to put

my fingers on (software remote solutions as with HRD simply do not give me
the feeling of operating a rig). That's about the only (but very important)
reason why I do not use my K3 #4546 for remote. ;-))

If you'll provide a "front panel only K3 interface" I am quite sure you will

easily sell hundreds of them. Kenwood started producing separate front
panels for their TS-480's as it very very popular for RemoteRig control with

separated front panels and station sharing by several people using the same
transceiver body.

So I am really looking forward to a single front panel to buy. ;-))

But what I do not understand (maybe my problem as a non-native English
speaker) is why "additonal details will be provided when the RemoteRig boxes

become available"? As I understand you can also simply connect 2 K3's
serially so all the intelligence for this "K3 duplicating" must be in the
announced new K3 firmware. So no need for a "special RemoteRig K3 Twin"
version as for RemoteRig's Yaesu Twin controllers. You can simply use their
standard controllers (they would simply extend the serial cable) and should
be fine! And those are readily available already. But maybe my understanding

is wrong then I would be grateful to get an explaination what is meant by
your comment. ;-))

Anyway, keep up the good work! Month by month there are new exciting news
from Elecraft. ;-))

Vy 73, Olli - DH8BQA
K3 #4546, KPA500 #??? (should arrive in next few days)

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Re: K3 and Remoterig

Hi Jorge,

the more the better. But it will also work well with just a 1 Mbit line (1
Mbit down, 128 kbit up) although you'll only be able to use 2 out of 14
coding schemes for the VoIP traffic. But even that is very good (much better
quality than Skype for instance) from my experience (I only have a 1 Mbit
line available at the remote end). There are even users using it over UMTS
but then latency is becoming a bigger issue. You'll need about 80 kbit/s
(with the above mentioned 2 coding schemes for low bandwidth) if there's no
other traffic on the line.

If your round trip time is below 80 ms you will not really notice any
delays. With an RTT of 250-300 ms it gets really slow and is no fun anymore.

Good luck with your remote solution, Jorge! And see you again on the bands.
;-))

73, Olli - DH8BQA

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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 and Remoterig

sure will be great to have a K3 front to use in the setup.

Please Olli and others actually using remoterig Wich Internet speed (up and
down) do you need to be comfortable, for example calling a DX station in a
pile up?

thanks,
Jorge
CX6VM

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Para: Wayne Burdick
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Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Remoterig

Hi Wayne,

that's really fantastic news! I've been a user of the RemoteRig system for 3

or 4 years now (even with the first ever hardware version of them) but keep
my IC-706 for remoting as I need a real radio interface / front panel to put

my fingers on (software remote solutions as with HRD simply do not give me
the feeling of operating a rig). That's about the only (but very important)
reason why I do not use my K3 #4546 for remote. ;-))

If you'll provide a "front panel only K3 interface" I am quite sure you will

easily sell hundreds of them. Kenwood started producing separate front
panels for their TS-480's as it very very popular for RemoteRig control with

separated front panels and station sharing by several people using the same
transceiver body.

So I am really looking forward to a single front panel to buy. ;-))

But what I do not understand (maybe my problem as a non-native English
speaker) is why "additonal details will be provided when the RemoteRig boxes

become available"? As I understand you can also simply connect 2 K3's
serially so all the intelligence for this "K3 duplicating" must be in the
announced new K3 firmware. So no need for a "special RemoteRig K3 Twin"
version as for RemoteRig's Yaesu Twin controllers. You can simply use their
standard controllers (they would simply extend the serial cable) and should
be fine! And those are readily available already. But maybe my understanding

is wrong then I would be grateful to get an explaination what is meant by
your comment. ;-))

Anyway, keep up the good work! Month by month there are new exciting news
from Elecraft. ;-))

Vy 73, Olli - DH8BQA
K3 #4546, KPA500 #??? (should arrive in next few days)

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