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wa9fvp

K3 and VB6

A few months ago I was working on a Visual Basic program to control my K3. 2 days ago when I went back to do some coding, I had a problem where, when I opened the Comm port, the K3 would transmit. I tried sending the RX software command to the K3 but it didn't help. It was stuck in transmit! I'm not sure what happened but after I explored VB6 MSComm Event, I found that my code didn't initialize the RTS line. RTSEnable is a VB6 comm control that can toggle the RS232, RTS line low or high. The K3 detects the signal from the RS232 port and immediately places it in transmit mode. I added a line of code and the problem was solved.

There's also an annoying problem that in valves the comm port. Every time in turn on my PC, during boot-up, the K3 momentarily transmits. Is there a way to prevent that or every time I turn on the PC, do I have to turn off the K3?

Jack WA9FVP

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3 and VB6

> There's also an annoying problem that in valves the comm port. Every
> time in turn on my PC, during boot-up, the K3 momentarily transmits.
> Is there a way to prevent that or every time I turn on the PC, do I
> have to turn off the K3?

Set CONFIG: PTT-KEY -> OFF-OFF and the K3 will no longer respond to
the DTR and/or RTS signals.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2014-10-12 6:47 PM, wa9fvp wrote:

> A few months ago I was working on a Visual Basic program to control my K3. 2
> days ago when I went back to do some coding, I had a problem where, when I
> opened the Comm port, the K3 would transmit. I tried sending the RX
> software command to the K3 but it didn't help. It was stuck in transmit! I'm
> not sure what happened but after I explored VB6 MSComm Event, I found that
> my code didn't initialize the RTS line. RTSEnable is a VB6 comm control
> that can toggle the RS232, RTS line low or high. The K3 detects the signal
> from the RS232 port and immediately places it in transmit mode. I added a
> line of code and the problem was solved.
>
> There's also an annoying problem that in valves the comm port. Every time
> in turn on my PC, during boot-up, the K3 momentarily transmits. Is there a
> way to prevent that or every time I turn on the PC, do I have to turn off
> the K3?
>
>
>
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>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 and VB6

All,

While Joe's response will eliminate the behavior, I feel that a fuller
explanation is in order.
When a computer boots, it will "exercise" the RS-232 signal lines
including the RTS and DTR signal lines.

If you have your K3 set to do keying or PTT with those lines, you can
expect the K3 to go into transmit while the computer does its boot-up.

So, take your choices - if you have no need for DTR/RTS keying of the
K3, turn the PTT-KEY menu to OFF-OFF as Joe indicated, but if you have
need for computer control of the PTT or Keying of the K3 via the DTR or
RTS signals, then expect that behavior and either place the K3 into TX
TEST or switch to a dummy load while the computer is "doing its
diagnostics" during the boot-up cycle.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/12/2014 6:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
>> There's also an annoying problem that in valves the comm port. Every
>> time in turn on my PC, during boot-up, the K3 momentarily transmits.
>> Is there a way to prevent that or every time I turn on the PC, do I
>> have to turn off the K3?
>
> Set CONFIG: PTT-KEY -> OFF-OFF and the K3 will no longer respond to
> the DTR and/or RTS signals.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-10-12 6:47 PM, wa9fvp wrote:
>> A few months ago I was working on a Visual Basic program to control
>> my K3. 2
>> days ago when I went back to do some coding, I had a problem where,
>> when I
>> opened the Comm port, the K3 would transmit. I tried sending the RX
>> software command to the K3 but it didn't help. It was stuck in
>> transmit! I'm
>> not sure what happened but after I explored VB6 MSComm Event, I
>> found that
>> my code didn't initialize the RTS line. RTSEnable is a VB6 comm
>> control
>> that can toggle the RS232, RTS line low or high. The K3 detects the
>> signal
>> from the RS232 port and immediately places it in transmit mode. I
>> added a
>> line of code and the problem was solved.
>>
>> There's also an annoying problem that in valves the comm port. Every
>> time
>> in turn on my PC, during boot-up, the K3 momentarily transmits. Is
>> there a
>> way to prevent that or every time I turn on the PC, do I have to turn
>> off
>> the K3?
>>
>>

Kevin Stover

Re: K3 and VB6

It's been this way since the first ham hooked a radio up to a windows
serial port.
It's not a radio issue it's an computer issue. Linux does it too.
I reboot my computers once a week whether they need it or not. Same with
the radios....they just get turned back on when the computer is up at a
desktop.

On 10/12/2014 6:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> All,
>
> While Joe's response will eliminate the behavior, I feel that a fuller
> explanation is in order.
> When a computer boots, it will "exercise" the RS-232 signal lines
> including the RTS and DTR signal lines.
>
> If you have your K3 set to do keying or PTT with those lines, you can
> expect the K3 to go into transmit while the computer does its boot-up.
>
> So, take your choices - if you have no need for DTR/RTS keying of the
> K3, turn the PTT-KEY menu to OFF-OFF as Joe indicated, but if you have
> need for computer control of the PTT or Keying of the K3 via the DTR
> or RTS signals, then expect that behavior and either place the K3 into
> TX TEST or switch to a dummy load while the computer is "doing its
> diagnostics" during the boot-up cycle.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>

Thomas Norff

Re: K3 and VB6

Maybe the TX inhibit function can help in this case.
You don't have to modify your settings in your radio or modify the computer.

http://www.kl7uw.com/TX-INHIBIT.htm

73,
Thomas DM7TN

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It's been this way since the first ham hooked a radio up to a windows
serial port.
It's not a radio issue it's an computer issue. Linux does it too.
I reboot my computers once a week whether they need it or not. Same with
the radios....they just get turned back on when the computer is up at a
desktop.

On 10/12/2014 6:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

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Rick Prather-3

Re: K3 and VB6

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OS X doesn't do it.

Rick
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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Kevin Stover <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> It's been this way since the first ham hooked a radio up to a windows
> serial port.
> It's not a radio issue it's an computer issue. Linux does it too.
> I reboot my computers once a week whether they need it or not. Same with
> the radios....they just get turned back on when the computer is up at a
> desktop.
>
> On 10/12/2014 6:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> While Joe's response will eliminate the behavior, I feel that a fuller
>> explanation is in order.
>> When a computer boots, it will "exercise" the RS-232 signal lines
>> including the RTS and DTR signal lines.
>>
>> If you have your K3 set to do keying or PTT with those lines, you can
>> expect the K3 to go into transmit while the computer does its boot-up.
>>
>> So, take your choices - if you have no need for DTR/RTS keying of the K3,
>> turn the PTT-KEY menu to OFF-OFF as Joe indicated, but if you have need for
>> computer control of the PTT or Keying of the K3 via the DTR or RTS signals,
>> then expect that behavior and either place the K3 into TX TEST or switch to
>> a dummy load while the computer is "doing its diagnostics" during the
>> boot-up cycle.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>
>>
>
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: K3 and VB6

I think "exercise" is the wrong term.

You're talking about hardware (the serial port) and how it behaves
before it is initialized.

Saying that the OS has anything to do with how a port behaves before the
OS boots is a bit questionable.

It's possible that Apple's hardware behaves consistently on power-up --
I'd believe that. Apple operating systems don't have to contend with
the same amount of random hardware.

73 -- Lynn

On 10/13/2014 11:09 AM, Rick Prather wrote:

> OS X doesn't do it.
>
> Rick
> K6LE
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Kevin Stover <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> It's been this way since the first ham hooked a radio up to a windows
>> serial port.
>> It's not a radio issue it's an computer issue. Linux does it too.
>> I reboot my computers once a week whether they need it or not. Same with
>> the radios....they just get turned back on when the computer is up at a
>> desktop.
>>
>> On 10/12/2014 6:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> While Joe's response will eliminate the behavior, I feel that a fuller
>>> explanation is in order.
>>> When a computer boots, it will "exercise" the RS-232 signal lines
>>> including the RTS and DTR signal lines.
>>>
>>> If you have your K3 set to do keying or PTT with those lines, you can
>>> expect the K3 to go into transmit while the computer does its boot-up.
>>>
>>> So, take your choices - if you have no need for DTR/RTS keying of the K3,
>>> turn the PTT-KEY menu to OFF-OFF as Joe indicated, but if you have need for
>>> computer control of the PTT or Keying of the K3 via the DTR or RTS signals,
>>> then expect that behavior and either place the K3 into TX TEST or switch to
>>> a dummy load while the computer is "doing its diagnostics" during the
>>> boot-up cycle.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> R. Kevin Stover
>> AC0H
>> ARRL
>> FISTS #11993
>> SKCC #215
>> NAQCC #3441
>>
>>
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Kevin Stover

Re: K3 and VB6

It happens after the BIOS hands off to the OS, it is OS specific.
The easiest fix is turn the radio on after the OS has started.

On 10/13/2014 1:23 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> I think "exercise" is the wrong term.
>
> You're talking about hardware (the serial port) and how it behaves
> before it is initialized.
>
> Saying that the OS has anything to do with how a port behaves before
> the OS boots is a bit questionable.
>
> It's possible that Apple's hardware behaves consistently on power-up
> -- I'd believe that. Apple operating systems don't have to contend
> with the same amount of random hardware.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
>

aj4tf

Re: K3 and VB6

In reply to this post by Kevin Stover

My experience with a dual-boot computer (Fedora 9 and Windoze XP) with a relay toggled by the RTS line: Windoze fiddles with the RTS line while booting, Fedora 9 doesn't.

de AJ4TF