K3 and WIN10
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So, speaking of the K4 . . .
When Eric asked a few weeks ago what we might like to have if there were to be a next generation transceiver, near the top of my list was adding whatever it would take to make it unnecessary to connect the transceiver to an outboard computer -- so far as reasonably possible -- ever, for anything. Eric eventually closed that thread and I don't mean to reopen the wider question. But would something along those lines ease the kinds of problems we've been reading about here lately? Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 23:49:42 +0000 From: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility and Win 10 Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "Use a USB port on the computer, not on a hub." Why is this restriction imposed on the K3 utility? The KAT500 and KPA500 utilities work fine through my 10 port hub. Andy, k3wyc ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I believe that putting WIN10 hardware in the radio will be a benefit to the OEM. It will make the radio become obsolete faster and allow more sales for upgrades.
Maestro, SunSDR, and Anan MK II radios all have Win10 PCs embedded. Those radios’ embedded PCs are all obsolete already. Consider how much pain it is to deal with Windows 10 updates. I am sure the radio OEMs are paranoid, or at least I would be were I one of them. When you have a widely deployed product that suddenly stops working because of an update, the pain is intense and expensive to cure. How about an Intel NUC instead of a PC ? They were used on Heard and Ducie rather than using laptops. Even NUCs do not support IPA 4K monitors, yet. Bob R ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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It's already possible to use a K3 without a computer. I've done that in the
middle of a contest when I had to re-boot my computer. I logged on paper until I had access to the log when I added those contacts. Regarding computer-related problems, having provided on-line and telephone tech support for Gateway, the majority of troubles with which I helped were user-induced. I liken the issue to when I had responsibility for a small phone system--lack of knowledge on using that "tool." I assert we need to have sufficient knowledge to operate and maintain our computers, just like our radios. Sometimes we need to seek help from others, often found on this list. I also assert too many ops aren't conversant with their equipment and much less with their equipment manuals. Of course, we all do dumb things and I am near the top of that list. Still, I update my PDF manuals and make use of them. For Windows, Google is your friend. It is more useful than trying to find help on Microsoft's web site, in my experience. I use electronic loggers for many reasons. Except for the fine products at QRPWorks, I use a computer and the appropriate logger. I am a keyboard wiz and can type much faster than I can print. BTW, I have often used the K3 Utility with a USB hub. But, not all USB hubs are created equal and I always bypass a hub when troubleshooting connectivity issues. I would rather have the K4 firmware space used for features rather than replacing functions best done on a computer or other external device. It is 2019 and computers belong in our shacks, IMHO. On SOTA peaks, that may be a different story. Still, I prefer a non-radio solution for logging, like a notebook computer, than having a logger in my radio. Save that battery for operating! Just my humble (or not) opinion. BTW, I enjoyed several conversations with Elecraft personnel at the IDXC this weekend and with Bill, AE6JV. I also noticed WA6HHQ on APRS. It was an excellent convention once again and I hope the plans to move it to the Wyndham next year revert back to the Visalia Convention Center with its larger facilities. 73, Bill, K8TE So, speaking of the K4 . . . When Eric asked a few weeks ago what we might like to have if there were to be a next generation transceiver, near the top of my list was adding whatever it would take to make it unnecessary to connect the transceiver to an outboard computer -- so far as reasonably possible -- ever, for anything. Eric eventually closed that thread and I don't mean to reopen the wider question. But would something along those lines ease the kinds of problems we've been reading about here lately? Ted, KN1CBR -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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PLEASE! No operating system embedded in the radio. Almost like ice cream, there is more than one flavor.
As to Windows 10 updates, configure for automatic, let it do its thing, and don't mess with the parameters. It is so easy and reliable. Don't make it complicated by trying to run it yourself. You also need to maintain a "clean" computer with regular Cache and Registry cleaning. Leftover and fragments may over ride new updates. Also Virus and Malware issues may interfere with correct operation. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 16, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Robert Rennard via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I believe that putting WIN10 hardware in the radio will be a benefit to the OEM. It will make the radio become obsolete faster and allow more sales for upgrades. > > Maestro, SunSDR, and Anan MK II radios all have Win10 PCs embedded. Those radios’ embedded PCs are all obsolete already. > Consider how much pain it is to deal with Windows 10 updates. I am sure the radio OEMs are paranoid, or at least I would be were I one of them. When you have a widely deployed product that suddenly stops working because of an update, the pain is intense and expensive to cure. > > How about an Intel NUC instead of a PC ? They were used on Heard and Ducie rather than using laptops. Even NUCs do not support IPA 4K monitors, yet. > > Bob R > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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We will never, ever put any incarnation of Windows in a radio.
Wayne N6KR ---- elecraft.com > On Apr 16, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote: > > PLEASE! No operating system embedded in the radio. Almost like ice cream, there is more than one flavor. > > As to Windows 10 updates, configure for automatic, let it do its thing, and don't mess with the parameters. It is so easy and reliable. Don't make it complicated by trying to run it yourself. > > You also need to maintain a "clean" computer with regular Cache and Registry cleaning. Leftover and fragments may over ride new updates. Also Virus and Malware issues may interfere with correct operation. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 16, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Robert Rennard via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> I believe that putting WIN10 hardware in the radio will be a benefit to the OEM. It will make the radio become obsolete faster and allow more sales for upgrades. >> >> Maestro, SunSDR, and Anan MK II radios all have Win10 PCs embedded. Those radios’ embedded PCs are all obsolete already. >> Consider how much pain it is to deal with Windows 10 updates. I am sure the radio OEMs are paranoid, or at least I would be were I one of them. When you have a widely deployed product that suddenly stops working because of an update, the pain is intense and expensive to cure. >> >> How about an Intel NUC instead of a PC ? They were used on Heard and Ducie rather than using laptops. Even NUCs do not support IPA 4K monitors, yet. >> >> Bob R >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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OK, I move to strike my own prior motion. Ted, KN1CBR Edward A. Dauer Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law University of Denver From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and WIN10 We will never, ever put any incarnation of Windows in a radio. Wayne N6KR ---- elecraft.com<http://elecraft.com> On Apr 16, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: PLEASE! No operating system embedded in the radio. Almost like ice cream, there is more than one flavor. As to Windows 10 updates, configure for automatic, let it do its thing, and don't mess with the parameters. It is so easy and reliable. Don't make it complicated by trying to run it yourself. You also need to maintain a "clean" computer with regular Cache and Registry cleaning. Leftover and fragments may over ride new updates. Also Virus and Malware issues may interfere with correct operation. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Robert Rennard via Elecraft <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: I believe that putting WIN10 hardware in the radio will be a benefit to the OEM. It will make the radio become obsolete faster and allow more sales for upgrades. Maestro, SunSDR, and Anan MK II radios all have Win10 PCs embedded. Those radios’ embedded PCs are all obsolete already. Consider how much pain it is to deal with Windows 10 updates. I am sure the radio OEMs are paranoid, or at least I would be were I one of them. When you have a widely deployed product that suddenly stops working because of an update, the pain is intense and expensive to cure. How about an Intel NUC instead of a PC ? They were used on Heard and Ducie rather than using laptops. Even NUCs do not support IPA 4K monitors, yet. Bob R ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Whew!
Good news! As I set here waiting for a computer tech to arrive and fix my Windows 10 shack computer.... 73 K0PP On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 13:28 Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote: > We will never, ever put any incarnation of Windows in a radio. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > elecraft.com > > > On Apr 16, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > PLEASE! No operating system embedded in the radio. Almost like ice > cream, there is more than one flavor. > > > > As to Windows 10 updates, configure for automatic, let it do its thing, > and don't mess with the parameters. It is so easy and reliable. Don't > make it complicated by trying to run it yourself. > > > > You also need to maintain a "clean" computer with regular Cache and > Registry cleaning. Leftover and fragments may over ride new updates. Also > Virus and Malware issues may interfere with correct operation. > > > > Bob, K4TAX > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Apr 16, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Robert Rennard via Elecraft < > [hidden email]> wrote: > >> > >> I believe that putting WIN10 hardware in the radio will be a benefit to > the OEM. It will make the radio become obsolete faster and allow more > sales for upgrades. > >> > >> Maestro, SunSDR, and Anan MK II radios all have Win10 PCs embedded. > Those radios’ embedded PCs are all obsolete already. > >> Consider how much pain it is to deal with Windows 10 updates. I am > sure the radio OEMs are paranoid, or at least I would be were I one of > them. When you have a widely deployed product that suddenly stops working > because of an update, the pain is intense and expensive to cure. > >> > >> How about an Intel NUC instead of a PC ? They were used on Heard and > Ducie rather than using laptops. Even NUCs do not support IPA 4K > monitors, yet. > >> > >> Bob R > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Nor any other operating system of any type, past, present or future.
73 Bob, K4TAX On 4/16/2019 1:40 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > We will never, ever put any incarnation of Windows in a radio. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com> > > On Apr 16, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > >> PLEASE! No operating system embedded in the radio. Almost like ice >> cream, there is more than one flavor. >> >> As to Windows 10 updates, configure for automatic, let it do its >> thing, and don't mess with the parameters. It is so easy and >> reliable. Don't make it complicated by trying to run it yourself. >> >> You also need to maintain a "clean" computer with regular Cache and >> Registry cleaning. Leftover and fragments may over ride new updates. >> Also Virus and Malware issues may interfere with correct operation. >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 16, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Robert Rennard via Elecraft >>> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>> >>> I believe that putting WIN10 hardware in the radio will be a benefit >>> to the OEM. It will make the radio become obsolete faster and allow >>> more sales for upgrades. >>> >>> Maestro, SunSDR, and Anan MK II radios all have Win10 PCs embedded. >>> Those radios’ embedded PCs are all obsolete already. >>> Consider how much pain it is to deal with Windows 10 updates. I am >>> sure the radio OEMs are paranoid, or at least I would be were I one >>> of them. When you have a widely deployed product that suddenly >>> stops working because of an update, the pain is intense and >>> expensive to cure. >>> >>> How about an Intel NUC instead of a PC ? They were used on Heard >>> and Ducie rather than using laptops. Even NUCs do not support IPA >>> 4K monitors, yet. >>> >>> Bob R >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I commented earlier regarding Windows 10. If you have ever had a
program crash or the computer lock up, then you most likely will have command line fragments on your computer. Some of these may not cause issues but some may. To be safe, use a software application to clean and clear the Cache and clean the Registry. There are several good ones that are FREE. {The best kind for hams} Our IT staff would often write a fault found as a "PICNIC". Problem In Chair Not In Computer. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 4/16/2019 11:55 AM, K8TE wrote: > It's already possible to use a K3 without a computer. I've done that in the > middle of a contest when I had to re-boot my computer. I logged on paper > until I had access to the log when I added those contacts. > > Regarding computer-related problems, having provided on-line and telephone > tech support for Gateway, the majority of troubles with which I helped were > user-induced. I liken the issue to when I had responsibility for a small > phone system--lack of knowledge on using that "tool." I assert we need to > have sufficient knowledge to operate and maintain our computers, just like > our radios. Sometimes we need to seek help from others, often found on this > list. > > I also assert too many ops aren't conversant with their equipment and much > less with their equipment manuals. Of course, we all do dumb things and I > am near the top of that list. Still, I update my PDF manuals and make use > of them. For Windows, Google is your friend. It is more useful than trying > to find help on Microsoft's web site, in my experience. > > I use electronic loggers for many reasons. Except for the fine products at > QRPWorks, I use a computer and the appropriate logger. I am a keyboard wiz > and can type much faster than I can print. BTW, I have often used the K3 > Utility with a USB hub. But, not all USB hubs are created equal and I > always bypass a hub when troubleshooting connectivity issues. > > I would rather have the K4 firmware space used for features rather than > replacing functions best done on a computer or other external device. It is > 2019 and computers belong in our shacks, IMHO. On SOTA peaks, that may be a > different story. Still, I prefer a non-radio solution for logging, like a > notebook computer, than having a logger in my radio. Save that battery for > operating! Just my humble (or not) opinion. > > BTW, I enjoyed several conversations with Elecraft personnel at the IDXC > this weekend and with Bill, AE6JV. I also noticed WA6HHQ on APRS. It was > an excellent convention once again and I hope the plans to move it to the > Wyndham next year revert back to the Visalia Convention Center with its > larger facilities. > > 73, Bill, K8TE > > So, speaking of the K4 . . . > > When Eric asked a few weeks ago what we might like to have if there were to > be a next generation transceiver, near the top of my list was adding > whatever it would take to make it unnecessary to connect the transceiver to > an outboard computer -- so far as reasonably possible -- ever, for anything. > Eric eventually closed that thread and I don't mean to reopen the wider > question. But would something along those lines ease the kinds of problems > we've been reading about here lately? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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