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VE2EBK

K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

Hi

I would like to know if someone tried to run WSJT-X FT-8 in Split mode, not Split in the audio band but in real Split by activating the option in the radio tab of the configuration?

Here, when I activate Split option, K3 change for Split, RX stay on VFO A, TX change to VFO B but TX frequency drop of 1 kHZ ! If I turn the VFO B (TX) 3 kHz up for example, the VFO B return 1 KHz down when a transmission start (TUNE is enough).

This option seems to have been for the DX station rather than for use.

It would be nice to check this before the 3Y0Z DXpedition that during ...

73

Dany VE2EBK

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Carl Clawson-3

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

Hi Dany. This scared me a little bit too until I figured out what it was
for.

This is not just for expeditions. It's for everyone to use whose rig can
handle it.

Your TX frequency will still be as indicated on the FT8 screen. The
software will raise the audio tone frequency by the same amount that it
drops your VFO B so that your tone is in the right place. By doing this,
the audio tone frequency is kept high enough that its harmonics will be out
of your FT8 passband. This is good -- it helps keep the band clean.

See section 4.2 in the wsjt-x user guide.

73, Carl WS7L

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Dany VE2EBK <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I would like to know if someone tried to run WSJT-X FT-8 in Split mode,
> not Split in the audio band but in real Split by activating the option in
> the radio tab of the configuration?
>
> Here, when I activate Split option, K3 change for Split, RX stay on VFO A,
> TX change to VFO B but TX frequency drop of 1 kHZ ! If I turn the VFO B
> (TX) 3 kHz up for example, the VFO B return 1 KHz down when a transmission
> start (TUNE is enough).
>
> This option seems to have been for the DX station rather than for use.
>
> It would be nice to check this before the 3Y0Z DXpedition that during ...
>
> 73
>
> Dany VE2EBK
>
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Christopher Hoover

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

I second Carl's explanation.

I run WSJT-X on my K3s in rig split mode exclusively. It works
transparently and flawlessly.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Carl Clawson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Dany. This scared me a little bit too until I figured out what it was
> for.
>
> This is not just for expeditions. It's for everyone to use whose rig can
> handle it.
>
> Your TX frequency will still be as indicated on the FT8 screen. The
> software will raise the audio tone frequency by the same amount that it
> drops your VFO B so that your tone is in the right place. By doing this,
> the audio tone frequency is kept high enough that its harmonics will be out
> of your FT8 passband. This is good -- it helps keep the band clean.
>
> See section 4.2 in the wsjt-x user guide.
>
> 73, Carl WS7L
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Dany VE2EBK <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I would like to know if someone tried to run WSJT-X FT-8 in Split mode,
> > not Split in the audio band but in real Split by activating the option in
> > the radio tab of the configuration?
> >
> > Here, when I activate Split option, K3 change for Split, RX stay on VFO
> A,
> > TX change to VFO B but TX frequency drop of 1 kHZ ! If I turn the VFO B
> > (TX) 3 kHz up for example, the VFO B return 1 KHz down when a
> transmission
> > start (TUNE is enough).
> >
> > This option seems to have been for the DX station rather than for use.
> >
> > It would be nice to check this before the 3Y0Z DXpedition that during
> ...
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Dany VE2EBK
> >
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Steve Lund

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

I have to run my K3 (S/N 1260) in split mode for WSJT-X.

It works fine for tone frequencies above 1500 Hz, but for low (<1000 Hz)
tones I can't get the ALC above a few bars with all controls (windows,
wsjt-x, K3) to their maximum settings.

Split 'solved' the problem, so I haven't investigated what is causing the
low frequency roll off.

Steve, K6UM

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Christopher Hoover <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I second Carl's explanation.
>
> I run WSJT-X on my K3s in rig split mode exclusively. It works
> transparently and flawlessly.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Carl Clawson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dany. This scared me a little bit too until I figured out what it was
> > for.
> >
> > This is not just for expeditions. It's for everyone to use whose rig can
> > handle it.
> >
> > Your TX frequency will still be as indicated on the FT8 screen. The
> > software will raise the audio tone frequency by the same amount that it
> > drops your VFO B so that your tone is in the right place. By doing this,
> > the audio tone frequency is kept high enough that its harmonics will be
> out
> > of your FT8 passband. This is good -- it helps keep the band clean.
> >
> > See section 4.2 in the wsjt-x user guide.
> >
> > 73, Carl WS7L
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Dany VE2EBK <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I would like to know if someone tried to run WSJT-X FT-8 in Split
> mode,
> > > not Split in the audio band but in real Split by activating the option
> in
> > > the radio tab of the configuration?
> > >
> > > Here, when I activate Split option, K3 change for Split, RX stay on VFO
> > A,
> > > TX change to VFO B but TX frequency drop of 1 kHZ ! If I turn the VFO
> B
> > > (TX) 3 kHz up for example, the VFO B return 1 KHz down when a
> > transmission
> > > start (TUNE is enough).
> > >
> > > This option seems to have been for the DX station rather than for use.
> > >
> > > It would be nice to check this before the 3Y0Z DXpedition that during
> > ...
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > Dany VE2EBK
> > >
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donovanf

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

Hi Steve,

I have the same problem with inadequate audio from my sound card
when I use the rear panel Line In connector. But it works great if
I use the front panel microphone connector.

73
Frank
W3LPL

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From: "Steve Lund" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:06:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

I have to run my K3 (S/N 1260) in split mode for WSJT-X.

It works fine for tone frequencies above 1500 Hz, but for low (<1000 Hz)
tones I can't get the ALC above a few bars with all controls (windows,
wsjt-x, K3) to their maximum settings.

Split 'solved' the problem, so I haven't investigated what is causing the
low frequency roll off.

Steve, K6UM

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Jim Brown-10

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

Hi Frank,

Something seems not right. The output stage of many (most?) computer
sound cards is usually also used to drive headphones, and typically
provide at least a volt, which is approximately line level for consumer
devices, and output Z is usually fairly low (<500 ohms). In the audio
world, inputs are, by convention, high impedance (>10K). Did the radio
designer screw up and stick a low value resistor across the line input?

My general advice is to run the computer sound card about 6 dB below
clip, because it is common for distortion to rise by 10 dB with that 6
dB difference in output level. How much drive does that rear panel Line
In need?

73, Jim K9YC

On 12/5/2017 5:50 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> I have the same problem with inadequate audio from my sound card
> when I use the rear panel Line In connector. But it works great if
> I use the front panel microphone connector.

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donovanf

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

Hi Jim,

I agree, something isn't right with my K3 Line-in. Fortunately
the microphone input works perfectly with my Tascam US100
external sound card. Thanks for your recommending that
superb device.

According the the K3 manual, K3 Line-in is designed for 1 volt p-p
and has 10K input impedance. Someday I'll try a different K3...

tks

73
Frank
W3LPL

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Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:04:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

Hi Frank,

Something seems not right. The output stage of many (most?) computer
sound cards is usually also used to drive headphones, and typically
provide at least a volt, which is approximately line level for consumer
devices, and output Z is usually fairly low (<500 ohms). In the audio
world, inputs are, by convention, high impedance (>10K). Did the radio
designer screw up and stick a low value resistor across the line input?

My general advice is to run the computer sound card about 6 dB below
clip, because it is common for distortion to rise by 10 dB with that 6
dB difference in output level. How much drive does that rear panel Line
In need?

73, Jim K9YC

On 12/5/2017 5:50 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> I have the same problem with inadequate audio from my sound card
> when I use the rear panel Line In connector. But it works great if
> I use the front panel microphone connector.

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Don Wilhelm

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

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Frank and all,

The K3 Line In needs a signal of up to 1 volt P-P.
The microphone input (either front or rear) need only 1/4 (or so) of
that amplitude.

Can I suggest that you do not have enough audio from your soundcard to
use Line In? Most soundcards can produce enough audio, but it may
depend on the particular soundcard or which soundcard output you are using.

If your soundcard has only one output jack, go into the audio output
devices on your computer and change the output to Line Out (it defaults
to Speaker).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/5/2017 8:50 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
>
> I have the same problem with inadequate audio from my sound card
> when I use the rear panel Line In connector. But it works great if
> I use the front panel microphone connector.
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K1RI

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

In reply to this post by VE2EBK

I too run split FT8 Data A. I cannot get the K3 to transmit in the WSJT
DXPedition Hound. What am I missing? My IC-7610 works great and I would run
a comparison.

Tnx, Bob K1RI

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Wes Stewart-2

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

Do you have the same mode selected for both VFOs? Give the A -> B a double tap
to be sure. Understand that in Hound mode you need to set your TX frequency
above 1000 Hz. If the Fox calls you he will move your TX down to his frequency.

I'm still experiencing a TX delay, which I think is WSJT commanding the K3 to go
Split and then waiting for confirmation. This has been discussed before. Also,
I use VOX and we still don't have VOX settings remembered by mode, so there is
constant fiddling to get the VOX to activate.

Wes N7WS

On 6/29/2018 9:46 AM, K1RI wrote:
> I too run split FT8 Data A. I cannot get the K3 to transmit in the WSJT
> DXPedition Hound. What am I missing? My IC-7610 works great and I would run
> a comparison.
>
>
> Tnx, Bob K1RI
>

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Howard Stephenson - K6IA

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

I use CAT not VOX, for Split Operation I have Fake It selected.

One thing you may try is to set the WSJT-X programs priory higher in the
Task Manager
Check with Google to see how since each Windows OS is different.
After I set mine higher I stopped having non decode issues on some passes.

Make sure you have the latest WSJT-X v1.9.1

Howard K6IA
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Rick WA6NHC-2

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

In reply to this post by Wes Stewart-2

I run WSJT-X via HRD rig control (SignaLink audio) for CAT PTT (and VFO)
on the K3.

I do NOT set WSJT-X for any split. The (sole) VFO doesn't move once set.

In everyday FT8, it's fine to let the audio determine actual frequency
(the other uses one 'tone', I stay on mine or not, think of it as cross
band ops).

In hound mode, the change in 'tone' is determined by the program (once
ack'ed by the fox); no VFO shift is required.

It's been flawless without moving a VFO (except when initially selecting
a band or changing to the fox frequency). No added commands to the K3,
life is simple.

There is a designed lag from keyup to actual generation of tone, which
is fine, it lets all the hardware (amps, pre-amps) have time to get
'safe' if needed (the KPA line doesn't require it).

Yes, WSJT-X whines every startup in hound configuration that it 'needs'
split, but that isn't the case in reality. This setup works, it's
simple and simple ROCKS on any day.

Rick nhc

On 6/29/2018 10:44 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:

> Do you have the same mode selected for both VFOs? Give the A -> B a
> double tap to be sure. Understand that in Hound mode you need to set
> your TX frequency above 1000 Hz. If the Fox calls you he will move
> your TX down to his frequency.
>
> I'm still experiencing a TX delay, which I think is WSJT commanding
> the K3 to go Split and then waiting for confirmation. This has been
> discussed before. Also, I use VOX and we still don't have VOX
> settings remembered by mode, so there is constant fiddling to get the
> VOX to activate.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
>
> On 6/29/2018 9:46 AM, K1RI wrote:
>> I too run split FT8 Data A. I cannot get the K3 to transmit in the WSJT
>> DXPedition Hound. What am I missing? My IC-7610 works great and I
>> would run
>> a comparison.
>>
>>
>> Tnx, Bob K1RI
>>
>
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Wes Stewart-2

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

In reply to this post by Howard Stephenson - K6IA

I suppose that you're addressing this to me, but since you didn't quote any
prior message, who knows.

I realize that Elecraft's position is that VOX is a no-no. However, CAT is a
PITA no-no for me, particularly when Microsoft reassigns comports Willy-Nilly.

There is a reason for using "real" split and that's to get audio IMD products
out of the passband. Except for chasing the KH1 operation, I've abandoned FT8
and haven't been keeping up, but at one time it was agreed that WSJT-X sends a
split command to the K3 at the beginning of each transmission and waits for a
response back before actually transmitting. Hence the delay. I fail to see how
anything done in Task Manager will fix this. It's a non-issue on receive.

N7WS

On 6/29/2018 11:32 AM, Howard Stephenson wrote:

> I use CAT not VOX, for Split Operation I have Fake It selected.
>
> One thing you may try is to set the WSJT-X programs priory higher in the
> Task Manager
> Check with Google to see how since each Windows OS is different.
> After I set mine higher I stopped having non decode issues on some passes.
>
> Make sure you have the latest WSJT-X v1.9.1
>
> Howard K6IA

Mike Cizek W0VTT

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

In reply to this post by Rick WA6NHC-2

Hello Rick,

You really DO need to use some sort of frequency control, either split or
fake-it, especially in F&H mode. When you transmit the lower audio tones,
their harmonics and distortion will still be in your audio passband and be
transmitted along with the desired tones. The purpose of using proper rig
control is to keep the audio tones above 1500 Hz so the harmonics and
distortion are out of your transmit passband.

--
73,
Mike Cizek WØVTT

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From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 14:06
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

I run WSJT-X via HRD rig control (SignaLink audio) for CAT PTT (and VFO)
on the K3.

I do NOT set WSJT-X for any split. The (sole) VFO doesn't move once set.

In everyday FT8, it's fine to let the audio determine actual frequency
(the other uses one 'tone', I stay on mine or not, think of it as cross
band ops).

In hound mode, the change in 'tone' is determined by the program (once
ack'ed by the fox); no VFO shift is required.

It's been flawless without moving a VFO (except when initially selecting
a band or changing to the fox frequency). No added commands to the K3,
life is simple.

There is a designed lag from keyup to actual generation of tone, which
is fine, it lets all the hardware (amps, pre-amps) have time to get
'safe' if needed (the KPA line doesn't require it).

Yes, WSJT-X whines every startup in hound configuration that it 'needs'
split, but that isn't the case in reality. This setup works, it's
simple and simple ROCKS on any day.

Rick nhc

On 6/29/2018 10:44 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:

Don Wilhelm

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

In reply to this post by Wes Stewart-2

Wes,

I certainly did not realize that VOX was a no-no!
In fact the DATA MODES section of the K3 manual clearly states "You cn
use either VOX or PTT."
If your audio levels are correct, VOX should be no problem.
I personally prefer PTT via CAT command.

Now if you are using the K2, then I definitely recommend NOT using VOX
because it does not trigger reliably with DATA mode audio.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/29/2018 3:24 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
> I realize that Elecraft's position is that VOX is a no-no.
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Rick WA6NHC-2

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

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Good to know for DX mode, also good to learn something. Had I thought it through it makes sense on harmonics alone.

In regular mode, I stay between 1500 and 2200 Hz, so I don’t have to futz with the input level (either the sound card or the line in is not flat, then it power hunts). That means also that harmonics are well out of the filtered range.

Thanks! I’ll try it.

Rick WA6NHC

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> On Jun 29, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Mike Cizek W0VTT <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hello Rick,
>
> You really DO need to use some sort of frequency control, either split or
> fake-it, especially in F&H mode. When you transmit the lower audio tones,
> their harmonics and distortion will still be in your audio passband and be
> transmitted along with the desired tones. The purpose of using proper rig
> control is to keep the audio tones above 1500 Hz so the harmonics and
> distortion are out of your transmit passband.
>
> --
> 73,
> Mike Cizek WØVTT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 14:06
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.
>
> I run WSJT-X via HRD rig control (SignaLink audio) for CAT PTT (and VFO)
> on the K3.
>
> I do NOT set WSJT-X for any split. The (sole) VFO doesn't move once set.
>
> In everyday FT8, it's fine to let the audio determine actual frequency
> (the other uses one 'tone', I stay on mine or not, think of it as cross
> band ops).
>
> In hound mode, the change in 'tone' is determined by the program (once
> ack'ed by the fox); no VFO shift is required.
>
> It's been flawless without moving a VFO (except when initially selecting
> a band or changing to the fox frequency). No added commands to the K3,
> life is simple.
>
> There is a designed lag from keyup to actual generation of tone, which
> is fine, it lets all the hardware (amps, pre-amps) have time to get
> 'safe' if needed (the KPA line doesn't require it).
>
> Yes, WSJT-X whines every startup in hound configuration that it 'needs'
> split, but that isn't the case in reality. This setup works, it's
> simple and simple ROCKS on any day.
>
> Rick nhc
>
>
>> On 6/29/2018 10:44 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>> Do you have the same mode selected for both VFOs? Give the A -> B a
>> double tap to be sure. Understand that in Hound mode you need to set
>> your TX frequency above 1000 Hz. If the Fox calls you he will move
>> your TX down to his frequency.
>>
>> I'm still experiencing a TX delay, which I think is WSJT commanding
>> the K3 to go Split and then waiting for confirmation. This has been
>> discussed before. Also, I use VOX and we still don't have VOX
>> settings remembered by mode, so there is constant fiddling to get the
>> VOX to activate.
>>
>> Wes N7WS
>>
>>
>>> On 6/29/2018 9:46 AM, K1RI wrote:
>>> I too run split FT8 Data A. I cannot get the K3 to transmit in the WSJT
>>> DXPedition Hound. What am I missing? My IC-7610 works great and I
>>> would run
>>> a comparison.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tnx, Bob K1RI
>>>
>>
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

In reply to this post by Wes Stewart-2

No issues here with the K3S and WSJT-X in Hound mode. I do use CAT
control for PTT and not VOX. SPLIT works just fine with no observed
delays. It may be enhanced by the fact that I'm not running any other
applications, logging or such while working FT-8. Logging is handled
separately by a different application, somewhat manual, and is not
connected to the radio or WSJT-X software.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 6/29/2018 12:44 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:

Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

In reply to this post by Rick WA6NHC-2

If it power hunts, this is a clear indication that the audio level is
not correct. Be sure to set the level such that you have 4 bars solid
on the ALC meter and the 5th bar flickering. Now, with that said, this
is not ALC, but is audio level. For others to advise you and even the
instructions in the software manuals, unless they have set up and
operated an Elecraft radio, the topic of adjusting for no ALC is
incorrect and thus DOES NOT apply to Elecraft radios.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 6/29/2018 4:04 PM, Rick Bates (WA6NHC) wrote:

> Good to know for DX mode, also good to learn something. Had I thought it through it makes sense on harmonics alone.
>
> In regular mode, I stay between 1500 and 2200 Hz, so I don’t have to futz with the input level (either the sound card or the line in is not flat, then it power hunts). That means also that harmonics are well out of the filtered range.
>
> Thanks! I’ll try it.
>
> Rick WA6NHC
>
> Smell Czech correction happen
>
>> On Jun 29, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Mike Cizek W0VTT <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Rick,
>>
>> You really DO need to use some sort of frequency control, either split or
>> fake-it, especially in F&H mode. When you transmit the lower audio tones,
>> their harmonics and distortion will still be in your audio passband and be
>> transmitted along with the desired tones. The purpose of using proper rig
>> control is to keep the audio tones above 1500 Hz so the harmonics and
>> distortion are out of your transmit passband.
>>
>> --
>> 73,
>> Mike Cizek WØVTT
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC
>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 14:06
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.
>>
>> I run WSJT-X via HRD rig control (SignaLink audio) for CAT PTT (and VFO)
>> on the K3.
>>
>> I do NOT set WSJT-X for any split. The (sole) VFO doesn't move once set.
>>
>> In everyday FT8, it's fine to let the audio determine actual frequency
>> (the other uses one 'tone', I stay on mine or not, think of it as cross
>> band ops).
>>
>> In hound mode, the change in 'tone' is determined by the program (once
>> ack'ed by the fox); no VFO shift is required.
>>
>> It's been flawless without moving a VFO (except when initially selecting
>> a band or changing to the fox frequency). No added commands to the K3,
>> life is simple.
>>
>> There is a designed lag from keyup to actual generation of tone, which
>> is fine, it lets all the hardware (amps, pre-amps) have time to get
>> 'safe' if needed (the KPA line doesn't require it).
>>
>> Yes, WSJT-X whines every startup in hound configuration that it 'needs'
>> split, but that isn't the case in reality. This setup works, it's
>> simple and simple ROCKS on any day.
>>
>> Rick nhc
>>
>>
>>> On 6/29/2018 10:44 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>>> Do you have the same mode selected for both VFOs? Give the A -> B a
>>> double tap to be sure. Understand that in Hound mode you need to set
>>> your TX frequency above 1000 Hz. If the Fox calls you he will move
>>> your TX down to his frequency.
>>>
>>> I'm still experiencing a TX delay, which I think is WSJT commanding
>>> the K3 to go Split and then waiting for confirmation. This has been
>>> discussed before. Also, I use VOX and we still don't have VOX
>>> settings remembered by mode, so there is constant fiddling to get the
>>> VOX to activate.
>>>
>>> Wes N7WS
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 6/29/2018 9:46 AM, K1RI wrote:
>>>> I too run split FT8 Data A. I cannot get the K3 to transmit in the WSJT
>>>> DXPedition Hound. What am I missing? My IC-7610 works great and I
>>>> would run
>>>> a comparison.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tnx, Bob K1RI
>>>>
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Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

Agreed. So to make it simpler for me, I keep the tones within the 1500
to 2200 Hz window, which is very nearly flat and I don't have to adjust
anything. To go from 1500 to 500 Hz is a lower output of the audio
(card most likely), requiring adjustment to compensate (to avoid hunting).

Rick nhc

(I've set 'fake it' so we'll try that in hound mode).

On 6/29/2018 5:24 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> If it power hunts, this is a clear indication that the audio level is
> not correct. Be sure to set the level such that you have 4 bars solid
> on the ALC meter and the 5th bar flickering.   Now, with that said,
> this is not ALC, but is audio level. For others to advise you and
> even the instructions in the software manuals, unless they have set up
> and operated an Elecraft radio, the topic of adjusting for no ALC is
> incorrect and thus DOES NOT apply to Elecraft radios.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
> On 6/29/2018 4:04 PM, Rick Bates (WA6NHC) wrote:
>> Good to know for DX mode, also good to learn something.   Had I
>> thought it through it makes sense on harmonics alone.
>>
>> In regular mode, I stay between 1500 and 2200 Hz, so I don’t have to
>> futz with the input level (either the sound card or the line in is
>> not flat, then it power hunts).   That means also that harmonics are
>> well out of the filtered range.
>>
>> Thanks! I’ll try it.
>>
>> Rick WA6NHC
>>
>> Smell Czech correction happen
>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Mike Cizek W0VTT <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Rick,
>>>
>>> You really DO need to use some sort of frequency control, either
>>> split or
>>> fake-it, especially in F&H mode. When you transmit the lower audio
>>> tones,
>>> their harmonics and distortion will still be in your audio passband
>>> and be
>>> transmitted along with the desired tones. The purpose of using
>>> proper rig
>>> control is to keep the audio tones above 1500 Hz so the harmonics and
>>> distortion are out of your transmit passband.
>>>
>>> --
>>> 73,
>>> Mike Cizek WØVTT
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email]
>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC
>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 14:06
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.
>>>
>>> I run WSJT-X via HRD rig control (SignaLink audio) for CAT PTT (and
>>> VFO)
>>> on the K3.
>>>
>>> I do NOT set WSJT-X for any split. The (sole) VFO doesn't move once
>>> set.
>>>
>>> In everyday FT8, it's fine to let the audio determine actual frequency
>>> (the other uses one 'tone', I stay on mine or not, think of it as cross
>>> band ops).
>>>
>>> In hound mode, the change in 'tone' is determined by the program (once
>>> ack'ed by the fox); no VFO shift is required.
>>>
>>> It's been flawless without moving a VFO (except when initially
>>> selecting
>>> a band or changing to the fox frequency). No added commands to the K3,
>>> life is simple.
>>>
>>> There is a designed lag from keyup to actual generation of tone, which
>>> is fine, it lets all the hardware (amps, pre-amps) have time to get
>>> 'safe' if needed (the KPA line doesn't require it).
>>>
>>> Yes, WSJT-X whines every startup in hound configuration that it 'needs'
>>> split, but that isn't the case in reality. This setup works, it's
>>> simple and simple ROCKS on any day.
>>>
>>> Rick nhc
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 6/29/2018 10:44 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>>>> Do you have the same mode selected for both VFOs? Give the A -> B a
>>>> double tap to be sure. Understand that in Hound mode you need to set
>>>> your TX frequency above 1000 Hz. If the Fox calls you he will move
>>>> your TX down to his frequency.
>>>>
>>>> I'm still experiencing a TX delay, which I think is WSJT commanding
>>>> the K3 to go Split and then waiting for confirmation. This has been
>>>> discussed before. Also, I use VOX and we still don't have VOX
>>>> settings remembered by mode, so there is constant fiddling to get the
>>>> VOX to activate.
>>>>
>>>> Wes N7WS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/29/2018 9:46 AM, K1RI wrote:
>>>>> I too run split FT8 Data A. I cannot get the K3 to transmit in
>>>>> the WSJT
>>>>> DXPedition Hound. What am I missing? My IC-7610 works great and I
>>>>> would run
>>>>> a comparison.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tnx, Bob K1RI
>>>>>
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Re: K3 and WSJT-X Split operation.

In reply to this post by Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Bob and all,

That is good advice, but what is missing is the fact that the "ALC"
meter on the K3/K3S/KX3/KX2 indicates the onset of ALC at the 5th bar,
so the 4 bars solid and the 5th bar flickering is the "NO ALC" point for
those transceivers. The first 4 bars are there to assist you in
adjusting the audio level. I don't know how many times we have to
repeat that, but follow the instructions in the manual.
If you need a more complete explanation, go to my website www.w3fpr.com
and scroll the left column down to the bottom article - click on the
link to get the full information.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/29/2018 8:24 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> If it power hunts, this is a clear indication that the audio level is
> not correct. Be sure to set the level such that you have 4 bars solid
> on the ALC meter and the 5th bar flickering. Now, with that said, this
> is not ALC, but is audio level. For others to advise you and even the
> instructions in the software manuals, unless they have set up and
> operated an Elecraft radio, the topic of adjusting for no ALC is
> incorrect and thus DOES NOT apply to Elecraft radios.
>
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