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K3 and the digital modes

Lynn Lamb, W4NL
Pardon for a dumb question, but I've hit that wall... again!

I talked to Dale at Elecraft and he suggested some of you may know the
answer as he had no experience with hooking up and making K3 work with a
computer so it will work using the sound card to have a full array of modes,
etc.

Guess I misunderstood how the K3 did this and purchased the serial to USB
cable at the time the K3 was ordered and it does the trick relative to
downloading the firmware and very well.  I expected this same cable to give
me all the audio in and out plus key the rig.  It doesn't at this QTH and
Dale suggested I use a serial to serial cable which I tried and it doesn't
work either.  So that is where I'm at tonight.. dead in the water, hi.

Has anyone done this and if so PLEASE share it with me?

If I'm missing something I should know please tell me too -- I can handle
it, but I've got the book memorized!

I use MixW and FLdigi on other rigs and they work fine, but the K3 is where
I'd like to do the digital modes.

Thanks, lynn W4NL

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Re: K3 and the digital modes

Ken Wagner K3IU
Connect Line In / Line Out on K3 and the Line In / Line Out on the sound card and away you go.
73,
Ken K3IU

Lynn Lamb, W4NL wrote:
Pardon for a dumb question, but I've hit that wall... again!

I talked to Dale at Elecraft and he suggested some of you may know the answer as he had no experience with hooking up and making K3 work with a computer so it will work using the sound card to have a full array of modes, etc.

Guess I misunderstood how the K3 did this and purchased the serial to USB cable at the time the K3 was ordered and it does the trick relative to downloading the firmware and very well.  I expected this same cable to give me all the audio in and out plus key the rig.  It doesn't at this QTH and Dale suggested I use a serial to serial cable which I tried and it doesn't work either.  So that is where I'm at tonight.. dead in the water, hi.

Has anyone done this and if so PLEASE share it with me?

If I'm missing something I should know please tell me too -- I can handle it, but I've got the book memorized!

I use MixW and FLdigi on other rigs and they work fine, but the K3 is where I'd like to do the digital modes.

Thanks, lynn W4NL
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Re: K3 and the digital modes

Iain MacDonnell - N6ML
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Lynn Lamb, W4NL wrote:

> Pardon for a dumb question, but I've hit that wall... again!
>
> I talked to Dale at Elecraft and he suggested some of you may know the
> answer as he had no experience with hooking up and making K3 work with a
> computer so it will work using the sound card to have a full array of
> modes, etc.
>
> Guess I misunderstood how the K3 did this and purchased the serial to
> USB cable at the time the K3 was ordered and it does the trick relative
> to downloading the firmware and very well.  I expected this same cable
> to give me all the audio in and out plus key the rig.

No, there is no audio through the serial port! It can be used to key
the radio, if your software supports it (I use Ham Radio Deluxe +
DM780), but you need audio cables from the line in/out on the K3 to a
sound card in the computer too.

     ~Iain


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Re: K3 and the digital modes

KK7P
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> Guess I misunderstood how the K3 did this and purchased the serial to
> USB cable at the time the K3 was ordered and it does the trick relative
> to downloading the firmware and very well.  I expected this same cable
> to give me all the audio in and out plus key the rig...


No, it is just a serial cable.  It passes frequency commands and so
forth if you use it with a program like Ham Radio Deluxe.

You also need two standard 3.5mm stereo patch cables to go between your
computer's sound card LINE IN and LINE OUT and the K3's connectors.
LINE OUT of the computer to LINE IN on the K3, and LINE IN to the
computer from LINE OUT from the K3.

Using two audio cables like this, a serial cable, and Ham Radio Deluxe I
can operate the digital modes, including transmit and receive, from my
computer.

73,

Lyle KK7P

PS - I would expect FLdigi and MixW to work as well, but have not tried
them so cannot speak from experience.


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Re: K3 and the digital modes

Don Wilhelm-4
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Lynn,

Connect the computer *soundcard* input to the K3 rear panel Line Out,
and the computer Line out to the K3 Line IN jack.  Use two stereo cables
with a 3.5mm stereo plug on each end (the plugs must be stereo even if
the signal is in only one channel - typically the left channel).

You can use VOX with no other connection to the computer, but if you do
have a serial cable batween the K3 and computer only, you can use the
PTT signal generated by the computer on the RS-232 interface.  Set the
K3 menu for PTT on either DTR or RTS depending on which one your digital
application uses.

Set the K3 data mode to DATA A and you should be in business for
soundcard generated data modes.  The K3 can do other forms of data mode
operation, some through the serial cable, but the copmuter applications
you mentioned only produce soundcard based data modes (DATA A in K3
terms).  See the manual pages 31 and 32 for additional information.

73,
Don W3FPR

Lynn Lamb, W4NL wrote:

> Pardon for a dumb question, but I've hit that wall... again!
>
> I talked to Dale at Elecraft and he suggested some of you may know the
> answer as he had no experience with hooking up and making K3 work with
> a computer so it will work using the sound card to have a full array
> of modes, etc.
>
> Guess I misunderstood how the K3 did this and purchased the serial to
> USB cable at the time the K3 was ordered and it does the trick
> relative to downloading the firmware and very well.  I expected this
> same cable to give me all the audio in and out plus key the rig.  It
> doesn't at this QTH and Dale suggested I use a serial to serial cable
> which I tried and it doesn't work either.  So that is where I'm at
> tonight.. dead in the water, hi.
>
> Has anyone done this and if so PLEASE share it with me?
>
> If I'm missing something I should know please tell me too -- I can
> handle it, but I've got the book memorized!
>
> I use MixW and FLdigi on other rigs and they work fine, but the K3 is
> where I'd like to do the digital modes.
>
> Thanks, lynn W4NL
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Re: K3 and the digital modes

Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU
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Lyle KK7P wrote:
>
> PS - I would expect FLdigi and MixW to work as well, but have not
> tried them so cannot speak from experience.

fldigi works well with the K3 on Windows and Linux.  I haven't tried it
on MacOS but I'm told it works.
The RigCat XML interface for rig control works FB with it as well for
rig control, though hamlib is also supported.

Leigh/WA5ZNU


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Re: K3 and the digital modes

Jim Brown-10
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:37:06 -0500, Lynn Lamb, W4NL wrote:

>I expected this same cable to give
>me all the audio in and out plus key the rig.

No, it only does serial control, and you need that for RTTY. To that
you must add input and output connections to/from your computer
sound card and the radio out/in.  See

http://audiosystemsgroup.com/HamInterfacing.pdf

and http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

for detailed advice that is very inexpensive. All you need to buy
are a few connectors and/or cables.

If you have extra money laying around, you can buy a dedicated ham
interface box.

73,

Jim Brown K9YC



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