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K3 competition from Icom?

DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
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not in my opinion!

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: K3 competition from Icom?

AD6XY
Of course it is competition, in the popularity stakes if not in performance.

It may not have as good a receiver performance as the K3 but it looks very good, the receiver is very probably quite good enough for many people and it has a few popular features which are not yet available in the K3 - e.g. the built in spectrum scope, a USB port, more than one antenna output, control for an external ATU. Not everyone feels they need the best possible receiver performance, other issues come into the equation. If the price is good, I expect is will sell well, just like the 756 Pro III it replaces.

This does not matter as Elecraft and ICOM are adressing very different markets with room for both. It is great to see the major companies producing new radios with higher performance and improved features, it would be awful if this development stopped, so we must not discourage them.

Mike


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not in my opinion!

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Re: K3 competition from Icom?

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DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
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> not in my opinion!
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> de Doug KR2Q
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Me neither but they did do something Elecraft had the chance to do and
didn't. USB ports for rig control. I've always considered a Serial to
USB adapter as a " box of chocolates", you never know what you're going
to get. Whether it works or not depends entirely on the chip set used
and the quality of the driver.

Elecraft should have used USB ports. You can't buy a desktop motherboard
by any respected manufacturer that includes a serial port. The LGA 775
board I'm looking at for an upgrade has zero serial ports but 8 on the
mobo backplane and you can add four more to the front or back of the
case with cables and unused motherboard USB headers.

It might be a trivial redesign of the KIO3 but I'm sure it's down the
list if at all.

R. Kevin Stover, ACØH
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Re: K3 competition from Icom?

Matt Patterson-9
If your PC has a open PCI slot there are high speed serial cards still
available.  Think I paid $26 for the last one I purchased.

73 Matt
W5LL


On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 07:24 -0500, R. Kevin Stover wrote:

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> > de Doug KR2Q
> - --
> Me neither but they did do something Elecraft had the chance to do and
> didn't. USB ports for rig control. I've always considered a Serial to
> USB adapter as a " box of chocolates", you never know what you're going
> to get. Whether it works or not depends entirely on the chip set used
> and the quality of the driver.
>
> Elecraft should have used USB ports. You can't buy a desktop motherboard
> by any respected manufacturer that includes a serial port. The LGA 775
> board I'm looking at for an upgrade has zero serial ports but 8 on the
> mobo backplane and you can add four more to the front or back of the
> case with cables and unused motherboard USB headers.
>
> It might be a trivial redesign of the KIO3 but I'm sure it's down the
> list if at all.
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> R. Kevin Stover, ACØH
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KX-1 BC interference on 20m

Stephen  Prior
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As I have mentioned before, I really enjoyed using the KX-1 on holiday in
Europe this year but found that there were several broadcast stations
appearing across 20m from about 14.20MHz upwards.  I was using a roughly 5/8
wave vertical antenna with counterpoise and the internal ATU.

Is this normal operation, or should I delve into the manual for alignment
procedures? I am at a disadvantage in that I did not build the unit.  The
radio suffered a pretty bad knock whilst camping and I am wondering if
something is adrift.

Thanks and 73

Stephen G4SJP



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Re: KX-1 BC interference on 20m

Jim Wiley-2
Stephen -


Some of those SW BC stations are pretty strong - as in hundreds of KW.  
It is possible that what you were hearing is the 2nd harmonic from these
stations operating in the 41-meter (7.10 - 7.35 MHz) Shortwave Broadcast
(SW BC) band.


Given a 100 KW transmitter, with 2nd harmonics 40 dB down from the
fundamental (which would be considered reasonably good suppression)  is
still 10 watts at the 2nd harmonic, or roughly 5 times the output power
of a 2-watt KX1.  Since the European (ITU Region 1) 40-meter SW BC band
starts at 7100 KHz, I think,  then it would be normal to hear such
signals starting at 14.200 and continuing up in frequency across the
rest of the 20 meter band.


100 KW is probably more or less a "median" power level for SW BC
stations, with some running less, and some quite a bit more - as in 500
KW.   And, this is "real" power from the PA.  Add to this the fact that
some stations get another 10 dB or more from antenna gain in whatever
direction they happen to be beaming and we're talking big time
competition with amateur signals.  Another consideration is that SW BC
stations are usually designed to be frequency agile,  and so they often
have antennas that can be used on multiple frequencies.  Such antennas
can be efficient radiators of harmonic energy.


So, the best hope is to wait for a few more years until the 40 meter
broadcasters move above 7300 KHz, which I think is in the works, but I
have forgotten just when it is supposed to happen.  In any case, the
problem you describe will be with us for a few more years.


- Jim, KL7CC



Stephen Prior wrote:
As I have mentioned before, I really enjoyed using the KX-1 on holiday in
Europe this year but found that there were several broadcast stations
appearing across 20m from about 14.20MHz upwards.  I was using a roughly
5/8
wave vertical antenna with counterpoise and the internal ATU.

Is this normal operation, or should I delve into the manual for alignment
procedures? I am at a disadvantage in that I did not build the unit.  The
radio suffered a pretty bad knock whilst camping and I am wondering if
something is adrift.

Thanks and 73

Stephen G4SJP


Stephen Prior wrote:

> As I have mentioned before, I really enjoyed using the KX-1 on holiday in
> Europe this year but found that there were several broadcast stations
> appearing across 20m from about 14.20MHz upwards.  I was using a roughly 5/8
> wave vertical antenna with counterpoise and the internal ATU.
>
> Is this normal operation, or should I delve into the manual for alignment
> procedures? I am at a disadvantage in that I did not build the unit.  The
> radio suffered a pretty bad knock whilst camping and I am wondering if
> something is adrift.
>
> Thanks and 73
>
> Stephen G4SJP
>
>
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Re: KX-1 BC interference on 20m

W8JI

> Given a 100 KW transmitter, with 2nd harmonics 40 dB down
> from the
> fundamental (which would be considered reasonably good
> suppression)  is still 10 watts at the 2nd harmonic,


I'm not sure about Europe but the Amateur radio *minimum*
standard at HF for 1500 watts is about 45dB down for any
spurious or harmonic. While there are lower suppression
levels at lower power, it is set at a 50 milliwatt maximum
limit.

The USA commercial BC standard is in the -80dB range, I
can't remember the exact amount. I just dealt with that with
an AM BC station 100 miles from here that had a spur on 160
meters that was in the -40dBc range.

In all cases there is an overriding regulation that says no
matter what the level of spurious or harmonic, the unwanted
emission cannot cause interference to a licensed service.

This doesn't prevent BC stations from violating rules,
especially in the USA with the poor enforcement and poor
maintenance, but the rules themselves are pretty
strict. -40dB would be considered very very poor
suppression.

73 Tom

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Re: K3 competition from Icom?

Greg - AB7R
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I couldn't agree more!  This is an IC-746 with a few new features and less 2M.  So what?  It may be
nice for the casual operator not concerned with DXing or contesting and cannot afford their 7700.  
I don't know first hand, but I understand the scopes on this and the 7700 are not real time.  I
just don't see the usefullness if it's not.

Competition for the K3?  I think not.


-------------------------
73,
Greg - AB7R
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Re: K3 competition from Icom 7700? yes

Bill Steffey NY9H
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Of course it is competition ( IC 7700 ), as some will buy it rather
than the K3.

It is however an apples and oranges comparison...

The 7700 has "dual watch" which is just like the 756PIII, much better
than no second receiver....but far far from a full second
receiver....( it can't split the main & dual watch
audio, just vary the audio level between the two).... still need the
7800 for 2 receivers.

The Pro3 is a great piece of product extremely well executed.
The Pro3  scope I prefer to the scope on the 7800.....maybe the 7700
is different.

I use a "scope" on the K3 now.... LP-PAN &/or  SDR-IQ.... works great.

As far a performance parameters...you can read,

bill

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Re: K3 competition from Icom?

Julian, G4ILO
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R. Kevin Stover wrote
I've always considered a Serial to
USB adapter as a " box of chocolates", you never know what you're going
to get. Whether it works or not depends entirely on the chip set used
and the quality of the driver.

Elecraft should have used USB ports.
I don't agree. By using a standard RS-232 port Elecraft has provided greater flexibility. If they had provided a USB port then everyone is stuck with it. A serial port can be interfaced to USB using a readily available and inexpensive adapter, or, as has been pointed out, by installing a PCI serial card in an expansion slot. A USB device can only be interfaced to a PC that has a USB port and drivers for that particular device.

Of course, Icom will ensure that the drivers are available today to connect the thing to Windows. But drivers may not be available for other platforms (as was the case with the RigExpert interface I sold because I could not use it under Linux) and they may not be available at all in 25 years time by any OS which is not an unreasonable time for someone to still be using a radio (even if not the original owner.) Whereas you can be pretty damn sure that RS-232 ports will still be around, and there will be adapters to interface them to whatever type of peripheral connector is popular at that time.

I have grown resigned to the idea of throwing away perfectly serviceable computer peripherals only a few years old because drivers are no longer available but that is not something I want to do with a $4000 radio.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222 KX3 #110
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RE: K3 competition from Icom?

Darwin, Keith
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If the price is in the $2000 range then it is competition for the K3.
Will it out perform a K3?  Probably not, but for a lot of buyers getting
a full featured, well advertised rig from Ikensu just feels a lot safer
than getting something from a smaller company.  True performance only
matters to those who care about it and even then only under tough
conditions.  I think many hams are perfectly happy with an average rig
with a lot of visual appeal.

- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -

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not in my opinion!

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: K3 competition from Icom?

Brendan Minish
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On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 07:24 -0500, R. Kevin Stover wrote:

> - --
> Me neither but they did do something Elecraft had the chance to do and
> didn't. USB ports for rig control.


I strongly disagree. I have a collection of devices that have USB ports
but are now effectively unusable because manufacturers no longer keep
the drivers current with the latest operating systems. Some of these
devices represent considerable investment at the time.  

With the K3 I can use just about any USB to serial converter to 'solve'
the problem and if in a few years support for that particular USB/serial
converter is dropped then for a few bucks I can get another one. The K3
works just fine with the 3 Euro one I found on ebay.  

I can choose to use a usb - serial converter already supported by Linux
rather than waiting (perhaps for ever..)  for the manufacturer to
release USB specs so that open source drivers can be written.

Serial ports are  still quite common on desktop class machines and
remain ubiquitous on both server class and embedded class hardware.
Serial ports remain the primary 'console' interface for network
infrastructure such as managed routers.  

For rig control to remain compatible with existing software (something
that elecraft have done very well by the way) then any USB interface is
going to have to emulate a normal serial port. On the K3 Internal USB
would gain us nothing and create additional support issues for elecraft
to deal with. External usb to serial adapters are both easily available
and cheap


73
Brendan EI6IZ

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RE: K3 competition from Icom?

Barry N1EU
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Darwin, Keith wrote
If the price is in the $2000 range  . . .
With the IC-7700 at $7000, I hardly think the IC-7600 will be anywhere near $2000 (or $3000).

73,
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RE: K3 competition from Icom?

Joe Subich, W4TV-3

Rumor is that the 7600 is targeted to replace the Pro3 next
year.  If that is the target market as indicated by the feature
set, I would exact a list price $4000 - $4500.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
   


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> Darwin, Keith wrote:
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> > If the price is in the $2000 range  . . .
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> With the IC-7700 at $7000, I hardly think the IC-7600 will be
> anywhere near $2000 (or $3000).
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> 73,
> Barry N1EU
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Re: K3 competition from Icom?

Jim Cox
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I have been told it will be in the $4000 range.   Jim K4JAF

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> Darwin, Keith wrote:
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>> If the price is in the $2000 range  . . .
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> near
> $2000 (or $3000).
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> 73,
> Barry N1EU
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Re: K3 competition from Icom? [OT]

Simon (HB9DRV)
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The jungle drums say it's a brand new radio, nothing from previous radios
(except IC-7800 / IC-7700) being used.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com

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I couldn't agree more!  This is an IC-746 with a few new features and less
2M.

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Re: K3 competition from Icom?

Simon (HB9DRV)
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Looking at the back of the IC-7600 I see that the standard CI-V connector is
still in place.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV
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> I have grown resigned to the idea of throwing away perfectly serviceable
> computer peripherals only a few years old because drivers are no longer
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Re: K3 competition from Icom? [OT]

Greg - AB7R
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That's good to hear if the jungle drums are correct.

-------------------------
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
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On Mon Aug 25 10:09 , "Simon (HB9DRV)"  sent:

>The jungle drums say it's a brand new radio, nothing from previous radios
>(except IC-7800 / IC-7700) being used.
>
>Simon Brown, HB9DRV
>www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Greg - AB7R" [hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
>
>
>I couldn't agree more!  This is an IC-746 with a few new features and less
>2M.
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Re: RS-232 and USB with Elecraft.

k0wa@swbell.net
In reply to this post by Julian, G4ILO

I like what Julian said here and I think he is spot on.  I do not think it would take much for the wizards at Elecraft to redesign the KIO3 to include both...RS232 and a USB port.  users could swap out one for the other and you have USB port.  That is so cool about the K3 and its modular design.  Again, the whole issues of drivers come up, but I am sure Elecraft would keep up with it all.  But that is another expense to redesign the unit and keep up with all the programming of the USB drivers. 

RS-232 is not going away anytime soon, but you are hard pressed to find these ports on new systems...laptops in specific.  As long as the USB to Serial cables are available, I think Serial devices will be around for quite awhile.  The technology is proven...although old ... but very proven.

Lee - K0WA


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--- On Mon, 8/25/08, Julian, G4ILO <[hidden email]> wrote:
From: Julian, G4ILO <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 11:02 AM



R. Kevin Stover wrote:
>
> I've always considered a Serial to
> USB adapter as a " box of chocolates", you never know what
you're going
> to get. Whether it works or not depends entirely on the chip set used
> and the quality of the driver.
>
> Elecraft should have used USB ports.
>
I don't agree. By using a standard RS-232 port Elecraft has provided
greater
flexibility. If they had provided a USB port then everyone is stuck with it.
A serial port can be interfaced to USB using a readily available and
inexpensive adapter, or, as has been pointed out, by installing a PCI serial
card in an expansion slot. A USB device can only be interfaced to a PC that
has a USB port and drivers for that particular device.

Of course, Icom will ensure that the drivers are available today to connect
the thing to Windows. But drivers may not be available for other platforms
(as was the case with the RigExpert interface I sold because I could not use
it under Linux) and they may not be available at all in 25 years time by any
OS which is not an unreasonable time for someone to still be using a radio
(even if not the original owner.) Whereas you can be pretty damn sure that
RS-232 ports will still be around, and there will be adapters to interface
them to whatever type of peripheral connector is popular at that time.

I have grown resigned to the idea of throwing away perfectly serviceable
computer peripherals only a few years old because drivers are no longer
available but that is not something I want to do with a $4000 radio.

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Re: KX-1 BC interference on 20m

Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
In reply to this post by Stephen Prior
My thought is that the problem was caused by one or more of the natural
spurious responses of the KX-1's receiver, not by some harmonic or spur
generated by the BC transmitters themselves. BC transmitter harmonics might
also be generated and heard if you had a "rusty bolt" problem caused by say
a nearby fence, and the BC signals were strong enough.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


Stephen Prior wrote on Monday, August 25, 2008 at 2:07 PM

> As I have mentioned before, I really enjoyed using the KX-1 on holiday in
> Europe this year but found that there were several broadcast stations
> appearing across 20m from about 14.20MHz upwards.  I was using a roughly
> 5/8
> wave vertical antenna with counterpoise and the internal ATU.
>
> Is this normal operation, or should I delve into the manual for alignment
> procedures? I am at a disadvantage in that I did not build the unit.  The
> radio suffered a pretty bad knock whilst camping and I am wondering if
> something is adrift.

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