K3: dot/dash memories
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The K3 comes like the K2 with dot/dash memories as there are only the
modes Iambic A and B which both provide these memories. With the K2 there were some requests to have a mode with no dot/dash memory at all. AFAIK this was unfortunately never provided with the K2 firmware. Will there be a change in the firmware for the K3? In case I go for the K3 I would like at least to get rid of my external keyer electronic which provides me a no dot/dash memory mode. The Super CMOS 3 Keyer from Idiom Press is the one I use with my K2 which allows me to switch off these memories. 73 Karsten DL8LBK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Don't think that there is that mode right now. To avoid that problem however,
I use a single lever paddle. At 12/30/2007 09:45 AM, Karsten Koch wrote: >The K3 comes like the K2 with dot/dash memories as there are only the >modes Iambic A and B which both provide these memories. With the K2 >there were some requests to have a mode with no dot/dash memory at all. >AFAIK this was unfortunately never provided with the K2 firmware. > >Will there be a change in the firmware for the K3? > >In case I go for the K3 I would like at least to get rid of my external >keyer electronic which provides me a no dot/dash memory mode. The Super >CMOS 3 Keyer from Idiom Press is the one I use with my K2 which allows >me to switch off these memories. > >73 >Karsten >DL8LBK > > > >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hi Tom,
wouldn't it be nice to have the BEST keyer available TOGETHER with the BEST transceiver ... ANYWHERE? For the time being I'll be happy with my K2. 73 Karsten DL8LBK Tom Hammond schrieb: > Hi Karsten: > > IF such a change is made available to the K3 keyer, I suspect it will > not show up for some time. It would be a fairly lo-priority item in > the list of firmware features already in place for Wayne to address. > > KEEP your CMOS3... it's still the BEST keyer available... ANYWHERE. > > 73, > > Tom N0SS > > At 08:45 12/30/2007, you wrote: >> The K3 comes like the K2 with dot/dash memories as there are only the >> modes Iambic A and B which both provide these memories. With the K2 >> there were some requests to have a mode with no dot/dash memory at all. >> AFAIK this was unfortunately never provided with the K2 firmware. >> >> Will there be a change in the firmware for the K3? >> >> In case I go for the K3 I would like at least to get rid of my external >> keyer electronic which provides me a no dot/dash memory mode. The Super >> CMOS 3 Keyer from Idiom Press is the one I use with my K2 which allows >> me to switch off these memories. >> >> 73 >> Karsten >> DL8LBK >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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and auto character spacing! Actually it needs K1EL embedding!! Now that
would be nice! 73 Chris G3SJJ Karsten Koch wrote: > Hi Tom, > > wouldn't it be nice to have the BEST keyer available TOGETHER with the > BEST transceiver ... ANYWHERE? > > For the time being I'll be happy with my K2. > > 73 > Karsten > DL8LBK > > > Tom Hammond schrieb: > >> Hi Karsten: >> >> IF such a change is made available to the K3 keyer, I suspect it will >> not show up for some time. It would be a fairly lo-priority item in >> the list of firmware features already in place for Wayne to address. >> >> KEEP your CMOS3... it's still the BEST keyer available... ANYWHERE. >> >> 73, >> >> Tom N0SS >> >> At 08:45 12/30/2007, you wrote: >> >>> The K3 comes like the K2 with dot/dash memories as there are only the >>> modes Iambic A and B which both provide these memories. With the K2 >>> there were some requests to have a mode with no dot/dash memory at all. >>> AFAIK this was unfortunately never provided with the K2 firmware. >>> >>> Will there be a change in the firmware for the K3? >>> >>> In case I go for the K3 I would like at least to get rid of my external >>> keyer electronic which provides me a no dot/dash memory mode. The Super >>> CMOS 3 Keyer from Idiom Press is the one I use with my K2 which allows >>> me to switch off these memories. >>> >>> 73 >>> Karsten >>> DL8LBK >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Post to: [hidden email] >>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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What would be wonderful is if elecraft could licence and implement the
logikey Comos4 firmware in full. I have been using the logikey keyers for years and they have all sorts of embedded goodness that built in keyers don't normally have. This extra functionality would be especially useful with the built in RTTY and PSK modes With the K3 there are already 4 dedicated keyer buttons on the front panel Whig would allow for all the normal logikey actions to be supported. If this is ever done at some stage it could be enabled on a per serial # basis by paying an appropriate licence fee to Idiompress. I for one would gladly pay extra to have the full functionality of the cmos4 built into the k3. Alternatively the Logikey implementation could be an a small internal module with it's own PIC to run the keying firmware. 73 Brendan EI6IZ -- Don‘t complain. Nobody will understand. Or care. And certainly don‘t try to fix the situation yourself. It‘s dangerous. Leave it to a highly untrained, unqualified, expendable professional. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Wow Brendan, that is a bit old hat! Most logging programs now allow for
K1EL Winkey setup so that seems the way to go. 73 Chris G3SJJ Brendan Minish wrote: > What would be wonderful is if elecraft could licence and implement the > logikey Comos4 firmware in full. > > I have been using the logikey keyers for years and they have all sorts > of embedded goodness that built in keyers don't normally have. This > extra functionality would be especially useful with the built in RTTY > and PSK modes > With the K3 there are already 4 dedicated keyer buttons on the front > panel Whig would allow for all the normal logikey actions to be > supported. > If this is ever done at some stage it could be enabled on a per serial # > basis by paying an appropriate licence fee to Idiompress. > I for one would gladly pay extra to have the full functionality of the > cmos4 built into the k3. Alternatively the Logikey implementation could > be an a small internal module with it's own PIC to run the keying > firmware. > > 73 > Brendan EI6IZ > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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But, not everyone uses a logging program ...
Or ..., if they do ... use it to key their radio. I have a logging program, but I don't use it to key my radio(s). 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 21:41 +0000, G3SJJ wrote: > Wow Brendan, that is a bit old hat! Most logging programs now allow for > K1EL Winkey setup so that seems the way to go. Yes, Why would I want my PC do do my CW keying outside of a contest? 73 Brendan EI6IZ -- Don‘t complain. Nobody will understand. Or care. And certainly don‘t try to fix the situation yourself. It‘s dangerous. Leave it to a highly untrained, unqualified, expendable professional. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I didn't say contest loggers! Logger32 incorporates Winkey support. The
point I was making is that these days most people go for Winkey in one way or another. Here I have the mHam Keyer which is built around WinKey for its CW keying, and also the little WinKeyer USB for portable work. From my recollection of my ETM9COG which I sold about 5 years ago and I believe uses the Logikey chip, I was thinking that the setting choices are limited compared to Winkey. Whilst I am not really an F key pusher, prefering even in contests to send from the paddle, I do like the idea of being able to setup the keyer functions from a pc. I just seems logical that the Keyer in the K3 maybe could do that, either that or incorporate the various facilities that Winkey has. I couldn't see the point in going backwards to older keyer designs. 73 Chris G3SJJ Brendan Minish wrote: > On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 21:41 +0000, G3SJJ wrote: > >> Wow Brendan, that is a bit old hat! Most logging programs now allow for >> K1EL Winkey setup so that seems the way to go. >> > > Yes, Why would I want my PC do do my CW keying outside of a contest? > > > 73 > Brendan EI6IZ > > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:49 +0000, G3SJJ wrote:
> I didn't say contest loggers! Logger32 incorporates Winkey support. The > point I was making is that these days most people go for Winkey in one > way or another. Here I have the mHam Keyer which is built around WinKey > for its CW keying, and also the little WinKeyer USB for portable work. I don't have a winkeyer nor have I ever used one but looking at the manual on Microham's website, it seems to me that this keyer is actually huge step backwards compared to the Logikey keyers if a versatile Keyer in the absence of a windows PC is required. The winkeyer appears to be primarily a method of allowing good keying from a PC with some standalone keyer features added. My logikey keyer runs for literally years on 3 AAA batteries, is small enough to take anywhere and has access to all it's functions via 4 built in buttons Perhaps I am missing a few things here but the missing features in the winkey based keyers would seem to me to be in (no particular order ) Limited ability to program directly from the key (I.e no editing or delete features) and no embedded commands in messages No support for macros (I use these all the time) Limed range of keyer styles (and only selectable from software) No banked memories ( use different banks for HF & 6 for example) casual contest features built into the keyer (serial number and a way to easily decrement the serial #) Built in buttons Ability to set side-tone pitch, Keying compensation etc (including compensation for Icom's dot shortening in QSK) from the paddles Size you can read the cmos4 manual here http://www.idiompress.com/CMOS-docs.html#4 73 Brendan EI6IZ -- Don‘t complain. Nobody will understand. Or care. And certainly don‘t try to fix the situation yourself. It‘s dangerous. Leave it to a highly untrained, unqualified, expendable professional. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> I don't have a winkeyer nor have I ever used one but looking > at the manual on Microham's website, it seems to me that this > keyer is actually huge step backwards compared to the Logikey > keyers if a versatile Keyer in the absence of a windows PC is > required. Understand what Winkey is before you knock it ... microHAM uses the original WinKey in their products. Winkey (1) is designed to be a simple keying processor accepting ASCII text from a serial port and converting it to CW. WinKey also supports paddle input and emulates Curtis A, Curtis B, Ultimatic and Bug keying - with or without automatic character space. Control and programming is from the computer (or could be from the EEPROM in a transceiver). microham enhances the original WinKey with multiple message memory, serial number and several other features available from a numeric (PS/2) keypad. K1EL also makes the WinKey 2 (WinKey USB) which has a full stand- alone mode that features multiple memories, paddle programming, four operating modes. I think you will find WinKey USB has all the capability of Logikey and then some. Of course that's to be expected since Logikey's design is quite a few years old. The important thing from a systems viewpoint is that WinKey has become the de facto standard for computer interfaced keyers. 73, ... Joe Subich, W4TV microHAM America http://www.microHAM-USA.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM [hidden email] > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brendan Minish > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 6:40 PM > To: G3SJJ > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: dot/dash memories > > > On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:49 +0000, G3SJJ wrote: > > I didn't say contest loggers! Logger32 incorporates Winkey > support. The > > point I was making is that these days most people go for > Winkey in one > > way or another. Here I have the mHam Keyer which is built > around WinKey > > for its CW keying, and also the little WinKeyer USB for > portable work. > > I don't have a winkeyer nor have I ever used one but looking at the > manual on Microham's website, it seems to me that this keyer > is actually > huge step backwards compared to the Logikey keyers if a > versatile Keyer > in the absence of a windows PC is required. > The winkeyer appears to be primarily a method of allowing good keying > from a PC with some standalone keyer features added. > > My logikey keyer runs for literally years on 3 AAA batteries, is small > enough to take anywhere and has access to all it's functions > via 4 built > in buttons > > Perhaps I am missing a few things here but the missing features in the > winkey based keyers would seem to me to be in (no particular order ) > > Limited ability to program directly from the key (I.e no editing or > delete features) and no embedded commands in messages > > No support for macros (I use these all the time) > Limed range of keyer styles (and only selectable from software) > No banked memories ( use different banks for HF & 6 for example) > casual contest features built into the keyer (serial number > and a way to > easily decrement the serial #) > Built in buttons > Ability to set side-tone pitch, Keying compensation etc (including > compensation for Icom's dot shortening in QSK) from the paddles > Size > > > you can read the cmos4 manual here > http://www.idiompress.com/CMOS-docs.html#4 > > 73 > Brendan EI6IZ > > > -- > Don‘t complain. Nobody will understand. Or care. And > certainly don‘t try > to fix the situation yourself. It‘s dangerous. Leave it to a highly > untrained, unqualified, expendable professional. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 23:40:24, EI6IZ wrote:
> I don't have a winkeyer nor have I ever used one but looking at the > manual on Microham's website, it seems to me that this keyer is actually > huge step backwards compared to the Logikey keyers if a versatile Keyer > in the absence of a windows PC is required. The WinKey in the microKeyer is an earlier version. The current version of the WinKey chip (WinKey 2) has much better stand-alone features. The microKeyer is not intended for stand-alone use, so it doesn't need these features. WinKey 2 is documented at <http://k1el.tripod.com/WinkeyUSBman.pdf> (turn to p. 18 for the stand-alone features). That's the version you should be comparing with the LogiKey. 73, Rich VE3KI _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Isn't it great that the K3 supports external keyers through the KEY jack so
we can all have it our own ways? Such foresight! Such imagination! ;-) /Rick N6XI _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 18:14 -0800, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:
> Isn't it great that the K3 supports external keyers through the KEY jack so > we can all have it our own ways? Such foresight! Such imagination! An external keyer cannot be used to send RTTY or PSK31 using the paddles. For that you need to use the internal keyer. The CMOS4 is the most versatile feature-rich keyer that I know of that would also fit with the K3's keyer User interface (4 memory buttons and a speed control) The CMOS4 supports a wide range of keying styles (including various modes without dot/dash memories) , has an intuitive morse driven user interface, Supports macros and has a wide range of other features. The macro features would be particularly useful for RTTY and PSK use, as well as CW. Especially if one is at the receiving end of a pileup. The current K3 keyer is good but very basic, it would be nice if we could have all the features of the CMOS4 in there. Rather than reinventing the keyer, perhaps licencing the code for (or having on a small internal daughter-board) the CMOS4 could be considered. it would be a fantastic option to have. I am sure that winkeyer has become the way to go for computer based keying however it's hard to see how winkeyer's serial protocol would be in any way compatible with simultaneous use of the K3's serial protocol for rig control on the same com port. The K3 already has 2 keying options for computer keying; Keying via DTR/RTS and keying via Elecraft's serial protocol. I notice with interest that the latest version of the winkeyer (winkeyer2) now implements a subset of the CMOS4 keyer functions and command set for standalone use, However a number of keying modes and and some useful features are missing. Perhaps the biggest omission is the ability to decrement the sent serial number by pressing 2 memory buttons simultaneously. 73 es happy new year Brendan EI6IZ -- Don‘t complain. Nobody will understand. Or care. And certainly don‘t try to fix the situation yourself. It‘s dangerous. Leave it to a highly untrained, unqualified, expendable professional. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Brendan,
I agree the CMOS4 is an excellent design and very easy to use (though I did have one go berserk on me in Aruba last year in the middle of a contest). Winkeyer isn't designed to use any serial protocol in communicating with the radio. I modified my logging software, CQPWIN, to use Winkeyer, and used it with the K3 in CQWW CW last month. Winkeyer's real purpose in life is to eliminate any "stuttering" that Windows logging programs occasionally run into due to the difficulty of controlling real time processes (e.g., sending CW) at the millisecond level in the Windows environment. So to use it, the computer sends ASCII characters to the Winkeyer, which converts them into CW that is simply routed into the radio's external key jack as you would for any other keyer or for a hand key. The nice thing about Winkeyer in its current iteration is that it also contains a competent stand-alone keyer, so you can plug the paddles into it, and then use it both for computer control and for hand sending. For most contesters, I suspect that features like sending serial numbers are more easily controlled in the computer than the keyer. Winkeyer also has a PTT output that is controllable by the computer. I used this as well, just plugging the cable into the PTT input on the K3. I did find, however, that to avoid losing the first dot I had to insert some lag time into the process (that is, have Winkeyer assert PTT, then wait, then start sending to the radio). As little as 10 ms seemed to work fine. Of course you can also, with the K3, plug the paddles into the radio even when using the external keyer. I think that's the feature Rick was extolling in the K3 (unlike, e.g., some Yaesu radios which do not allow you to use both a hand key (or external keyer) and the rig's own internal keyer) 73, andy, ae6y ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brendan Minish" <[hidden email]> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: dot/dash memories > On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 18:14 -0800, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: >> Isn't it great that the K3 supports external keyers through the KEY jack >> so >> we can all have it our own ways? Such foresight! Such imagination! > > An external keyer cannot be used to send RTTY or PSK31 using the > paddles. For that you need to use the internal keyer. > > The CMOS4 is the most versatile feature-rich keyer that I know of that > would also fit with the K3's keyer User interface (4 memory buttons and > a speed control) > > The CMOS4 supports a wide range of keying styles (including various > modes without dot/dash memories) , has an intuitive morse driven user > interface, Supports macros and has a wide range of other features. > > The macro features would be particularly useful for RTTY and PSK use, as > well as CW. Especially if one is at the receiving end of a pileup. > > The current K3 keyer is good but very basic, it would be nice if we > could have all the features of the CMOS4 in there. > Rather than reinventing the keyer, perhaps licencing the code for (or > having on a small internal daughter-board) the CMOS4 could be > considered. it would be a fantastic option to have. > > I am sure that winkeyer has become the way to go for computer based > keying however it's hard to see how winkeyer's serial protocol would be > in any way compatible with simultaneous use of the K3's serial protocol > for rig control on the same com port. > The K3 already has 2 keying options for computer keying; Keying via > DTR/RTS and keying via Elecraft's serial protocol. > > I notice with interest that the latest version of the winkeyer > (winkeyer2) now implements a subset of the CMOS4 keyer functions and > command set for standalone use, However a number of keying modes and and > some useful features are missing. Perhaps the biggest omission is the > ability to decrement the sent serial number by pressing 2 memory buttons > simultaneously. > > > 73 es happy new year > > Brendan EI6IZ > > > > -- > Don‘t complain. Nobody will understand. Or care. And certainly don‘t try > to fix the situation yourself. It‘s dangerous. Leave it to a highly > untrained, unqualified, expendable professional. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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