* On 2011 28 Jun 23:20 -0500, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> Completely agree. To this day, I still can't send properly with an iambic paddle and tend to use them as though they were single lever paddles. Even though I've never owned such a beast. Really, really want another bug, though. In late '09 I read the World of Ideas column in CQ by the late Dave Ingram, K4TWJ, wherein he introduced the W6AME Bushwhacker single lever paddle kit. His statement that many ops find single lever keying easier and more accurate than iambic intrigued me so I ordered one and received it on a snowy Christmas Eve just before our Christmas blizzard of '09 so I had plenty of time to play with it. Admittedly, operating one is deceptively simple yet takes a much different technique than iambic paddles. I find my accuracy has improved but still has a long way to go! http://www.americanmorse.com/bushwhacker.htm It is a well-made unit, very precise, and offers a wide range of adjustment. I've had several straight keys from various no-name cheapies to a J-38. Last August I picked up a tarnished key on a black krinkle finish base. It looked neat and felt good so I paid the asking price and found out later that it is a Nye Speed-X key. I cleaned the nickel parts with NEVR-DULL and it looks great on the desk and is much easier to use than any previous key. I bought the matching base from Morse Express which makes for a nice key that is not too high off the desk top. 73, de Nate N0NB >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I get exactly that same benefit from using a keyboard keyer. Exposure to
good code, I think, really does breed better sending. If you're a good enough typist, you can, as has been mentioned, just let the buffer fill, (200 characters in my case) and just enjoy the music of Morse. Lou -- WA3MIX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Conrad" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Straight key first? > I'm too new to this to know much, but it seems to me that one might best > learn to send Morse well by copying a lot of well sent Morse. I only > say this because I listened to computer generated Morse for months > before I got on the air. When I finally did send, I got compliments > right away on my fist. All I was doing, though, is sending the same > rhythm I'd been hearing for months. > > If this was already said, then I apologize for the redundant repetition :) > > 73, Wayne Conrad KF7QGA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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There is a certain value in learning to use a straight key. Requires no power or batteries, is immune to RF, and passable CW can be generated with just about any type of contacts. I recall using gum wrappers taped to my fingers when I was a kid ( just fer fun).
I still have one hooked up. I don't use it often, but I find difficulty using paddles under QRS conditions. Sadly, so many years of using paddles makes tickling a bug impossible anymore... yuck! Paul WB2ABD K3 #129 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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You will easily use a straight key if you ever need to now that the rhythm
of the code is built into your mind. Good luck and have fun, Kevin. KD5ONS On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:14:43 -0700, Wayne Conrad <[hidden email]> wrote: > I'm too new to this to know much, but it seems to me that one might best > learn to send Morse well by copying a lot of well sent Morse. I only > say this because I listened to computer generated Morse for months > before I got on the air. When I finally did send, I got compliments > right away on my fist. All I was doing, though, is sending the same > rhythm I'd been hearing for months. > > If this was already said, then I apologize for the redundant repetition > :) > > 73, Wayne Conrad KF7QGA Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I once had an op check into ECN who I knew but his fist sounded rather
odd. Spacing was good but the keying sounded flaky. He was also slower than his normal speed. After the nets he emailed me and told me his story. He had been using two pieces of stranded wire to send code. I think solid wire works much better ;) Once you know code you can use any manner of instrument to send it. 73, Kevin. KD5ONS On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 05:54:28 -0700, PTA_ABD <[hidden email]> wrote: > There is a certain value in learning to use a straight key. Requires no > power or batteries, is immune to RF, and passable CW can be generated > with just about any type of contacts. I recall using gum wrappers taped > to my fingers when I was a kid ( just fer fun). > > I still have one hooked up. I don't use it often, but I find difficulty > using paddles under QRS conditions. Sadly, so many years of using > paddles makes tickling a bug impossible anymore... yuck! > > Paul WB2ABD > K3 #129 Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Wayne, congratulations! It did not take you long to find the secret. I still
listen to W1AW code practice from time to time and I have only been licensed since 1956. It always pays to listen to well sent code from time to time along with the hodge podge of good and not so good code you hear on the air. It is great to be able to copy anybody and it is also great to be able to send so that anybody can copy. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart ________________________________ From: Wayne Conrad <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Wed, June 29, 2011 12:14:43 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Straight key first? I'm too new to this to know much, but it seems to me that one might best learn to send Morse well by copying a lot of well sent Morse. I only say this because I listened to computer generated Morse for months before I got on the air. When I finally did send, I got compliments right away on my fist. All I was doing, though, is sending the same rhythm I'd been hearing for months. If this was already said, then I apologize for the redundant repetition :) 73, Wayne Conrad KF7QGA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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At 06:06 PM 6/28/2011 -0700, you wrote:
>The hardest CW to copy (for me anyway) has insufficient spacing between >letters or words. >This is exactly what a keyer does NOT help you with! The operator has to >learn to >recognize what good CW sounds like. Does sending with a straight key help >with that? >Maybe, but I doubt it. > >Many of you have heard old-timers with bugs sending with the "banana-boat >swing" (dits way >too fast for the dahs) or the "Lake Erie swing" (think about sending from >a rolling ship). >These are generally considered 'bad CW', but they aren't difficult to copy. > >The techniques of sending with an iambic paddle, a bug and a straight key >are very >different. I don't think learning one helps you with the others. Hi I worked in Commercial CW communications at the tail-end of the era in the 50's and early 60's. At one point while in the Arctic we communicated with 2 stations in the south, Winnipeg and Ottawa. Between the 2 stations there would be 8 to 10 different operators. I could tell immediately who was on shift by the sound of the 'fist'. Almost all of the operators used a bug (each carried his in it's own case ... like professional pool players). A new man was immediately recognized ... and the usual response was to speed up hi. Personal communications was frowned upon. However on a night shift there would be a lot of banter ... (you would think we had QSK hi) You had to be careful though .. in those days we actually had Radio Monitoring Stations. It was possible to actually get a ticket for illegal traffic hi hi. The person giving the citation had to be a CW op as well and vy mean. I agree that certain kinds of "swing" with faster dots than dashes makes copying easier. Perfect CW ... as generated by a computer I find becomes harder to copy once the speed goes up beyond 20 WPM. I like an electronic keyer setup to simulate a bug (old habits I guess) with electronic dits and manual dashes. I can use a squeeze type setup ... but find I have to shift to the bug style in order to be more comfortable .... and to get into the 'swing' of things hi. As far as the straight key .... I don't know of anyone who continued to use one once they moved out of Radio School. Strange thing though .... in Radio School all CW reception was recorded with pencil and paper. The really good ops made the transition to the typewriter ... since all messages must be as received ... es not paraphrased hi hi. As mentioned my experience is at the tail end of the era. Some of the old hands (really old hands) talked about how they were sometime forbidden to use a bug as communications was considered to be more accurate with a straight key. Most of these experiences were railroad telegraphers and marine operators . The transmitter we used in the Arctic was a 300 watt Collins with full AM modulation. It was strictly forbidden to use AM. Although I recall using it on a few occasions hi hi. (where did the microphone come from ?) Sorry for rambling on. I was very fortunate to have learned CW and how to type (in a girls class in High School). I don't know one CW op with Alzheimers hi hi It is great for the grey matter. 73 Jim, VE3CI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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